Chris, the entire mko community is going to do what they want. If they want to say Jarek and Shujinko are top tier, they are going to do it. If you wanted to do it with only the people you mentioned, why not just keep it to aim/pm? Just my .02

the top tier im thinking looks like this

1~ Sareena
2~ Scorpion
3~ Noob
4~ Quan Chi
5~ Subby

^^^^^im sure about those 5

6~ Kenshi
7~ Mavado
8~ Tanya
9~ Raiden
10~ Smoke / Shinnok

The main problem with this I can see is that the grading criteria to actually be able to rank characters hasn't been laid down.

What exactly are you grading characters on?

And everyone keeps saying Sub Zero and Sareena are top tier but Jade renders both of these characters mid tier with her green shield.

So does the fact she is better than them both mean she is higher tier? My idea of a true top tier is a rock solid character that is top against EVERYONE.

And I am going to rock the boat here and say that the whole MOB God tier shouldn't even exist.

When the game first came out, all of a month ago, people were hysterical about the bosses because you couldn't throw them or hit them with projectiles.

But I have played many of them and the more I play, the easier they are to beat with quite a few normal characters.

Not all characters no - again, someone like Sareena who relies on her projectiles is pretty useless.

But characters with good low pokes and fast combos can really hurt them. It's just a case of playing them enough to know their style. They are so slow.

I would put MOB down into top tier at most and maybe in 6 months time if people actually have the guts to play them enough and stop being scared of them, more people will feel the same.

Of course, I never graduated with honours from the Versatile School of Advanced Mortal Kombat so my opinion probably means nothing but I just thought I would throw it in...

jade isnt better then subby and sareena. thats just silly saying that. your jade may be better then weaker minded players, but gong vs the top guys it aint gonna happen. sareena and subby have easy free throws and safe attacks. while jade has unsafe attacks for the most part. drumz plays her well like i play kitana well, but they atill arent in the upper tiers, thats just the player being better.


jade at best is in the 3rd level of tiers along w/ kitana and a bunch of others.

Once you get rid of Sareena's knives and Sub's ice moves they are severely depleted characters. To suggest they are just as powerful without those moves is silly.

And I don't think people fully understand how broken Jade can be. She has one of the best (nastiest) 50/50 routines in the game

Something like throw, teleport, free throw, 50/50 such as 1,1 in weapon, then free throw again (so far about 60%) another 50/50, then the double throw, round over.

Her throw is actually 2 throws because you can always get a free one after a normal one which then sets up the 50/50 game.

She is easily top tier and I would bet on a good Jade user vs a good Sareena user any day of the week.

You know..

I believe a grab into a free grab is partial infinte there buddy.

Can someone correct me on that? The only way that cant be partial infinte is if you delay it for them to block, to the point where you can see that.

A free move is a free move. So long as you only do one free move at a time what's wrong with that?

We went through the whole of MKD with several characters having partial infinites and no one minded...

I don't want to give the impression I play like that all the time but I do sometimes against the nastier users.

I just make sure to always give them a chance to get out after the free throw before I do it again so as to prevent the infinite.

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Ok.. thats the best way to do shit.. wait for it. As long as you delay, and not go into a freegrab after a grab, its good.

It is a somewhat "alright" 50/50, but you gotta thing, if you delay, they could just start a combo on you before you could make your move.

I think Jade is kinda unsafe.

But enough from me on this thread... I really dont want Versa's speech on " since I'm not in L7.... Im not worthy to even post".

No offense Versa.

None taken. Like I said, I am just being honest. I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, but I warned you guys on the very first post. It's easier to talk about it here then on AIM since it's hard to gather up all the players to formulate it.

Jade is mid tier at best. Jade doesn't counter Sareena or Sub-Zero regardless of her invincibility. There are ways to work around that, and she still loses. You sound like you are theory fighting. Base your statements off of real experience vs top level players.

Yeah you know what man...I been doing Jade's throw into TP, free throw lately. I really dont care if its considered a "partial" infinite anymore. I look at it like a "free throw" which TONS of characters already get. i.e. Quan Chi's (weapon) 1,1,4, Throw. Li Mei & Sareena's (weapon) b+3, throw and 2, Throw. Etc...

To me all the other stuff is just as cheap and damn near just as damaging (Quan Chi's setup exceeds the damage Jade can get from two throws). Yeah 3 throws in a rom with Jade is pushing it, but I consider two throws (total) as being legit. The only difference is that Jade needs to start with a throw (instead of a normal attack) to get a free throw afterwards.

its not legit, comparing a free throw like Daegons 1,1,2, free throw to jades throw TP throw is silly.

see jade can keep doing the TP FT, Daegon cant do his over and over. jades is a "loop" where daegons isnt.

jades has free throws like 4 in weapon, i think theres one more but i forget.




idk maybe vers or another can explain it better, im a bit sleepy. also i dont think quan chis 1,1,4 gives a free throw, cant you roll out of it?

i think w/ quan its 1,1 FT and 2 FT, i havent used him since the 2nd week of oct so IDK.

Sure she can continue doing it into an infinite, but I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that using one throw into a 2nd throw is no worse than any of the other "free" throw setups in this game.

I.e Throw, TP, Throw and that's all.

Quan's 1,1,4 can't be rolled out of, nor can you use wakeup after it. Its a mandatory standup just like you have to stand after Jade's throw. You cant even hold block to keep yourself grounded or crouch while getting up. All the Quan player needs is half decent timing and its a free throw every time. Jarek has something similar with his 1,2,u+4 string in Dragon.

bronz hit me up on the pm bo.

Exactly.

You just answered your own question by saying "Sure she can continue doing it into an infinite". That makes it a "partial" infinite. This is comparable to MK:D Ashrah. Throw, Jump Punch, Throw was not considered legit.

That's a partial infinite, and it isn't legit. Free throws have an end and are not loops. Partials have no end. If you can do it once, why not twice? Three times? Four times?

There is no comparison between natural free throws and semi infininiting outside of they both are free damage. Honestly, if you need that to win with Jade, then why play her? Stop holding yourself back by being attached to mediocre characters.

Seems that people have a lot of trouble reading.

Yes Throw, Jump Punch, Throw would be an infinite.

but Throw, Jump Punch wouldn't. Or Throw, Sweep, which was the more normal Ashrah free move. When people did Throw, Sweep with Ashrah in MKD did anyone whine it was a partial infinite because they COULD have gone on to do it many times?

And with Jade now in MKA:

Throw, Free Throw, Throw would be considered an infinite

Throw, Free Throw, 50/50 is not.

This isn't really a debate. It's accepted in this game that so long as you only do one free move at a time then that is perfectly fine.

That can be punch, free throw or kick, free throw or throw, free throw, whatever.

If you string 2 or more free moves together then you have your partial infinite.

Which by the way, I seem to remember the likes of Scorpion and Bo doing all the time in MKD and no one complained.

With Jade now you can do a perfectly fair Throw, Free Throw, 50/50, Throw, Free Throw, 50/50, Throw, Free Throw and if they fall for that then you take 100% of their life and round over.

As it is only ever one free move at a time then it is perfectly legitimate.

Yeah man, you said it better than me. If the player is stopping jade's string at her 2nd throw, I don't see how its any worse than any other string ot free throw setups. Most of you aren't even acknowledgin this point...you're saying the player *could* continue to do throw, TP for an infinite and I'm NOT talking about that.

As for me "needing" it to win? I don't give a fuck anymore. EVERYBODY is abusing some kind of free throw glitch with their character in order to win. EVERYBODY.

Sub's 1,1,3 Throw; 3, Throw
Sareena's b+3, Throw; 2, Throw; knife throw glitch
Mavado's (weapon) 4, Throw; u+2 corner Throw
etc etc etc

This free throw BS is commonly accpeted in the game, so of course I'll use it. Do you guy's honestly believe that Jade's Throw, TP, Throw (END HERE) is as game breaking as some of this other shit? Does she suddenly become OMG GOD TIER DONT PICK HER SHE'S S CHEAP I'M GETTING MY KAK!!!!!1!!!111!!!!11!!

That's it for me in thsi thread anyway, since I don't wanna bring it anymore off topic. I'll check the responses though. Peace.

Verstile, I'm referring to the danadbab/m2dave matches. And where did I say Jarek is better than Scorpion?

Every time I visit these forums, I feel more justified to my decision to not buy or play MKA for now.



I know nothing about MKA, but I remember that the juicy, good stuff of characters like Kobra, Kabal and Havik was known in Europe well before the first guides and tips were published on this board for/by NTSC players. Back when all of you considered Kabal mid-tier, he was already realised to his full potential here. Certainly with MKA, with so many characters, the same is bound to happen again with other chars. It's true that we have a smaller player base, but also less people who post here. That's why some things that were discovered here before they were discovered over there never made it to the forums.

Just my 2c.

Bronzefist ~ You can low block after quan does 1,1,4. its not a free throw.

also we need to play, you can go ahead and do that partial. you may need it. its still not legit.


TO EVERY ONE ~ im trying to think up a name that has COCK and SMOKE in it. smoke, tanya, kitana and Daegon are my main 4 now. i thought up Smock but IDK that just sounds dumb. if some one can think up something good let me know, thanks.

It is perfectly legit.

You sound like Versatile dictating to people what is and isn't acceptable like your opinion is somehow more worthwhile than anyone else's.

There is no difference at all between this move and Ashrah's sweep/throw in MKD and no one whined that was a 'partial'.

It's just one free throw like any other in MKA so quit the scrub like mentality of dismissing a move just because you don't use it while having no problem with similar ones that you do use.

Thank you.

Whats wrong wit SMOKECOCK?

Well if you want to mix it, would you like any of these brainstorms?

Smocock
Smocke

It's not the same you moron. One cannot be repeated over and over again, and the other can. One has been accepted by the community as fair for OVER TWO YEARS, and one isn't. Why try to change the format?

Throws that link into free throws are semi infinites and can become full fledged infinites if continued. If you're going to do it twice, why not more than that? The same cannot be said for a hit that leads into a throw. It cannot be repeated, atleast not in guaranteed fashion.