Well for kobra and fujin.....Kobra doesnt have kali just his lame kickboxing stance which is garbage and fujin is totally unsafe in his weapon stance its pathetic really...The animation doesnt let you block or parry at all in weapon i have tested it its rediculous....

Super Tier -


1. Moloch

2. Blaze

3. Onaga


High Tier -


4. Sareena

5. Noob

6. Scorpion

7. Sub zero

8. Quan Chi

9 .Mavado

10 .Tanya

11 .Shao Kahn

12. Shinnok

13 .Kung lao

14. Jax

15. Goro


Mid Tier -


16. Motaro

17. Kintaro

18. Sheeva

19. Drahmin

20. Ashrah

21. Kabal

22. Darrius

23. Bo Rai Cho

24. Frost

25. Jarek

26. Johnny Cage

27. Nightwolf

28. Chameleon

29. Mileena

30. Raiden

31. Hotaru

32. Sonya

33. Liu kang

34. Smoke

35. Jade

36. Stryker

37. Mokap

38. Hsu hao

39. Reptile

40. Kenshi

41. Kitana

42. Ermac

43. Taven

44. Dairou

45. Meat

46. Reiko

47. Sektor

48. Rain

49. Baraka

50. Fujin

51. Li mei

52. Kira


Low tier -


53. Nitara

54. Daegon

55. Cyrax

56. Kai

57. Kano

58. Havik

59. Kobra

60. Sindel

61. Shang Tsung


Unplayable -


62. Shujinko


That's what's going on PAL.

It is the same game we play you know..................

Where's Smoke HJS? There's quite a few of us PAL players that use him. I can't believe you left him off your list

to anyone who thinks jaerk is not top tier:

jareks game is based around correct spacing and creating safe openings to land axe 1,3,4. the ground pound is mainly used as a baiting tool to let them come to you. overall 1,3,4 is overpowered in this game : hits mid,on hit it gives you a free throw, if blocked you can still continue the pressure because 1,3,4 can be extended to 1,3,4,4,4 thus creating a 33/33/33 for ur opponent to guess right. 1,3,4 is great anti-air too if the keep jumping at you 24/7. he also has good low pokes with d+1 in both stances and dragon d+4.

it would be cool if we PAL gamers join up and create our own version of the list to discuss the differences between them. anyone interested? (tgrant,hjs,etc?)

Sure but we're not americans so im not sure if we're allowed

lol

our list is not meant to compete with the NTSC list. It would be good for both sides and would help creating a much more accurate one.

Shujinko and Havik are not that bad


to me the only bad character in MKA is Sindel, Ermac and Kenshi are pretty crappy too

karate they are not low

again your low tier list is wrong after i read it and see that you ranked kano as low i stop reading ( have u ever use kano or fight some 1 who use him)
kano is high tier

if any 1 want to know why kano is high tier i can show you

Even though I am currently outside the game, I agree. NTSC probably still has a bigger player pool, but the release dates weren't that far apart.

Versa, I think you're a cool guy, but having 5 "elites" work on a tier list of a game that's been out for a month is very overconfident. MKD's tier list was more or less finalised after more than a year, and this will be no different. And it should include input from top players on both sides of the Atlantic.

I think you're right VQ, and with that said. Fuck making it private. Let's discuss it here until it's complete. Whether it takes weeks or months is irrelevant.

Galatic, if I block any of that you are getting parried 80% of the time. There is no way Jarek is top tier. Ermac is better than him.

I agee almost 100% with Dave's top 6 so far.


*MOB*

1. Blaze
2. Moloch
3. Onaga


*Top Tier*

1. Sareena
2. Scorpion
3. Sub-Zero
4. Noob
5. Tanya
6. Quan Chi

I never would of said Tanya was top tier, but Dan's Tanya amazes the crap out of me. High level at it's finest. She's def top 5 from what I can tell. Quan Chi I feel is just right out of the top 5.

Let's discuss MOB tiers and the top 10 tiering to start off.

Sindel- Yes.

Ermac/Kenshi- If you can't keep proper positioning with them, then I can see why you think they suck. Ermac absolutely owns mid-range, Kenshi isn't far behind him. Ermac has pretty much all of his specials to use at that distance, and if you're in Axe stance you can reach out and hit almost anything (few weapons have longer reach than his Axe, such as Raiden/Jade staffs). You can mix up D, U, 3 -> D, 3 and F, 3 whether your opponent tries to rush you or stays put. If that isn't what you want to do, TK Slam for a juggle or TK Throw to set up a deathtrap. Not saying that Ermac should be Top/High Tier, because he simply isn't, but if there's a high-mid tier, I think he belongs up there. Especially if you factor in infinites, which I assume isn't happening. I haven't played as Kenshi yet, but I assume he plays pretty much like the MKD version, so he can still compete.

~Top Tier~

1~ Sareena ~

that fireball comes out insanely fast! I FINALLY found a way around it, but say if you try and duck or jump when some one is throwing them at 100 MPH **cough DAVE cough** the fucking knifes hit you LOL even when your blocking.

2~ Noob
3~ Scorpion
4~ Sub~Zero
5~ Tanya
6~ Kabal
7~ Mavado
8~ Quan Chi
9~ Jax ~ maybe IDK for sure. im abit tired and cant think of any one else right now.
10~ Kitana ~ call me a fan boy or whatever. the risk reward greatly favors her in most battles. a trick so to say she can do vs sareena whores who throw 500 knifes at you a milisecond **cough dave cough** hold up and press block up block up block she get Super separation from each knife that she can toss out a fan w/ out being hit by a knife or if close enough bust out the fan wave ~ catch the little stupid bitch sareena for huge combos. think about it, sareena smacks kitana as she does her fan wave katana takes in 4% damage, now sareena is flying in the air allowing kitana to walk up and combo the shit out her. huge risk reward in kitanas favor.

atleast she definitly belongs in the upper tier area.

~Upper Tier~

1.Sareena
2.Scorpion
3.Sub-Zero
4.Noob
5.Quan Chi
6. Tanya


I feel Dave is more accurate so far with the top 6.

- Noob is easier to use, but has match up problems. Quan Chi gives him difficulty as well as even Kabal. Theory fighting makes me believe Tanya gives him problems too. Sub-Zero has no bad mathc ups. He may not win the series vs a particular character(Scorpion,Sareena), but he matches up well enough. I feel defensively if used properly he's almost unhittable and his pokes are the best of all the top tier characters. That's my case for why Sub-Zero is number 3 and not Noob.

- Besides Scorpion, I feel Quan Chi has the most damaging 50/50s in MKA. His throw GUARANTEES a 50/50 between rising star(mid) and weapon d+1,d+3(low). Once rising star hits you can cs,2,3,4,4,cs for 42%. This makes the opponent totally afraid of ducking, and gives you plenty of free d+1,d+3s. Rising Star being fairly safe and parry cancelable also makes him a big time threat. 1,1,4 is a fast punisher for when rising star is too slow, and he has the mandatory low kick with Escrima d+4.


Whether or he's better than Tanya is up for discussion. I think they are both great and do pretty much the same against most of the roster. What do you think?

- Jax is not top 10 for sure. Gun hits high. Duck from far away and it ruins his entire mix up. He's mid tier at best. Even upper would be pushing it I feel.

- You play Kabal so well that I feel a case can be made for him being top 10. We'll get back to that later.

- Mavado = agreed

- Now Kitana I don't agree with. You play her amazingly, and I think she's definitely deserving of upper tier, but i simply think other characters are better. She has absolutely no mid hitting pokes and her parry cancel options are extremely limited(almost non existant). She has a hard time fighting up close, too. I just don't think she's top 10, but easily top 20/upper tier.

- I feel Stryker is a top 10 character. The Tazer is a great move, and the bombs are moderately effective as well. If you anticipate jump ins the high bomb throw can be very dangerous. Huay Chan with PC options(parry cancel = PC). What Stryker needs is a damaging juggle. I've yet to find one that does a decent amount, but then again I have not played stryker very much. I'm sure you guys have something on the TKO website for him damage wise.

- The only reason Raiden is not talked about as a top tier character is because no one plays him. Everybody is tired of the god of thunder, but I assure you he is up there. His teleport is harder to track onto, making it even more dangerous. f+1 is JCeable AND PCeable, making it safer than before. Staff b+2 does 18 damage and punishes the grap out of those who want to stay on the ground. God of Thunder is that truth. If you need proof just fight Check.

- - Jax is not top 10 for sure. Gun hits high. Duck from far away and it ruins his entire mix up. He's mid tier at best. Even upper would be pushing it I feel.

- You play Kabal so well that I feel a case can be made for him being top 10. We'll get back to that later.

- Mavado = agreed

- Now Kitana I don't agree with. You play her amazingly, and I think she's definitely deserving of upper tier, but i simply think other characters are better. She has absolutely no mid hitting pokes and her parry cancel options are extremely limited(almost non existant). She has a hard time fighting up close, too. I just don't think she's top 10, but easily top 20/upper tier.

I feel Stryker is a top 10 character. The Tazer is a great move, and the bombs are moderately effective as well. If you anticipate jump ins the high bomb throw can be very dangerous. Huay Chan with PC options(parry cancel = PC). What Stryker needs is a damaging juggle. I've yet to find one that does a decent amount, but then again I have not played stryker very mu


- Kenshi I feel should round this top 10. Damage out of his ass with the PCeable,SSCeable AND JCeable(that's parry cancel,jump cancel and sidestep cancel for the acronym impaired) u+2 which leads into 2,2,2,teleslam,2,2,telethrow for 45%. d,b+3 is still a good move that freezes up defenders who are not alert. d+4 in tai chi is the mandatory low kick. I just feel this new system suits Kenshi very well.

top 10 in my opinion

1. Sareena
2. Scorpion
3. Sub-Zero
4. Noob
5. Tanya
6. Quan Chi
7. Kenshi
8. Raiden
9. Stryker
10. Mavado

I feel the upper tier should consist about 10 chars or so. Should def inlcude.


- Shinnok
- Kitana
- Kabal
- Bo Rai Cho
- Kung Lao

Saying that Jarek is bad because you can parry him is stupid. With that logic Scorpion is bad too because you can parry f+1. 1,3,4(4,4) is broken because it gives you a 33/33/33 in your favour even if blocked, he still has to guess right when you stop with 4. If he guessw wrong 1,3,4 again creating the same mix up. also you can buffer d+1 and his bomb after 134.

jarek also counters sareena from what i've played. the bomb goes right under her knife, up close you have the advantage.

Scorpion - you can't do 2 hellfires in a row now. He also lost his unbreakable combo now that moi fah is gone. however, the only thing that prevented scorp to be top tier in mkd was that he was "glitch free" and he had a crap throw. now with the majority of the gliches gone and a better throw hes top tier.


top ten imo :

1 moloch
2 blaze
3 onaga

1 sareena
2 scorpion
3 jarek
4 quan chi
5 mavado
6 tanya
7 mileena
8 noob
9 sub zero
10 kung lao

after 1 week of playing

really scorp lost his unbreakable?? try f1 spear cs 1 throw

Go Vers - bigging up my boy Kenshi
He has been vastly inproved in this incarnation it must be said and he can hang with most of the roster. One thing I've noticed tho is that his telekinetic ranges are a lot shorter than before? what would of connected in MKD doesn't in MKA! Still he's a formidable force. Strange that not that many people play him over here

1~Sareena
2~ Noob
3~ Scorpion
4~ Sub~Zero
5~ Tanya
6~ Kabal~ hes better then mavado. he has better chances for combos. he has 2 plants that give him 50/50.
7~ Mavado
8~ Quan Chi
9~ Kenshi Fuck all that combo shit Tai Chi 3333333333/ 3/33/333/3333
i wanted to put him here last night, but i wasnt sure if any one would agree w/ me.
10~ Bo Rai Cho

11~ Shinnok ~ UHH hello his throw cant not be parried.
12~ Kitana
13~ Smoke
14~ Kung Lao
15~ Stryker
16~ Jax
17~ Jerak
18~ Raiden
19~ Sonya~ her kiss can be done non stop( not a infinite, only 2 can hit, i learned this by watching tgrant use her) kali sticks are good because of the kiss.
20~ Sektor
Fujin ??? idk some think this so. i need to use him more.
the mid tier should have Daegon in it, not sure where tho, near the bottom of it??

1) Sareena
2) Scorpion
3) Sub-Zero
4) Quan Chi
5) Noob
6) Tanya
7) Mavado
8) Kenshi
9) Stryker
10) Shinnok

That's what I think.

How did you watch me?

Yes, she can only do it twice and then has to wait for the second to dissipate before you can send another two out. I wasn't very good with her then, but I'm slowly improving. You can own people who try to parry you with the Kiss and then abuse them with Kali Sticks afterwards.

Also, if the first Kiss connects, you can still do the second Kiss to hit them again to give you some time to decide what to do. This might also help skip a possible breaker attempt. And no, damage isn't reduced.

And Jade is top 20 easily! And so is Kira! She rapes Tanya, Mileena and any fools relying on pokes. And also those who like to lay down and wait for you. Seriously, check her out! Yuan Yang owns all!

NEWS FLASH the reason Tanya is high tier is because of her air fireball and all of its 50/50 its gives her. no way in hell is it because of her lowpoke. if it were her lowpoke then she'd be high tier in MKD which she isnt shes low tier.

now about sonya you can kiss non stop actually, its only when 2 hit that she cant do any more.
you can hit w/ one then mock w/ 500 kisses
you could be right about jade, i just dont use her and dont face her enough to say, you know?
to who ever wants to help me see who else can use the "Mr.S tech" (he deserves credit for teaching me this back in the MKD days) Kitana cant be the only one who can abuse sareena knife throwers. kabal cant, hes got othe rstuff to compete. i found out in my later fights w/ dave that tanya can Kinda, she just doesnt have that punishablilty that kitana has. im dying toknow if subby can if he can id put him at number 2, until then IDK. Daegon cant punish sareena

Can't 1,3,4(4,4) be parried in between the hits,though?If so,that should give you enough reasons not to use it against certain characters because some get easy 40%-50% of damage.

Also,most of Scorp's offensive game is based on wep. f+1.People will barely use anything but that (if they do,then you know they're trying to catch you side stepping).Anyway,after Scorp's Hellfire,most of his moves become unparriable on the first hit because of the tremendous advantage.

If you use the Rhino Drop against Sareena,you will get juggled by the knives (and the other 6 or 8 your opponent is throwing at you).35% of unbreakable damage compared to 10%?Not worth it.

Also,here's my argument why an online tier list is rather pointless.

I played Versa last night,and he could parry cancel from every damn move (Rising Star,Stomp *when it's blocked and he's not spinning in the air*, 1,1,4 in wep.) he did with Quan Chi.So,if I tried to punish anything at all,I got parried and got the Rising Star into 43% of damage.If I didn't try to punish him,he'd abuse that specific move again to catch me off-guard or he'd simply jump back to get out of harm's way.

The problem is that other Quan Chi players couldn't PC (parry cancel) nowhere that fast.The more lag you have in MK:A the better you're off because your frames are cut down further which allows you to recover much quicker,and then PC.And since everyone out there has different amounts of lag,whether this is possible or not may vary on the player and his/her connection.

This is important because whether you can punish a move or not makes a huge difference,especially when the PC'able move can lead to 42% damage or higher.

good points dave.

this is why i always keep myself from being PCed. its hard to do this vs tanya and kitana thankfully. IMO atleast.