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01/09/2004 05:56 PM (UTC)
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And Quirk, that glitch you're talking about that turns other characters a green color can be done in 2 ways:

1)The method MK2KungBroken talked about that turns Raiden and Sonya a green, messed-up color (SORTA complicated).

2)A method that turns Scorpion and/or Sub-Zero into a green color (VERY easy).

Go to MKShin to find out how to pull those glitches (along with every other glitch from every other MK game) off.


I used to pull those glitches off when I had MK1 (it was fun seeing Scorpion/Sub-Zero green!), so here's how to do them;

To battle against characters who look green, you must first be in an endurance match (I've always done it on Endurance 2, but I think it can be doen on the first one as well) on The Pit. Perform the requirements to battle Reptile, and when you battle him and defeat him, like an endurance match, he will go in a puff of smoke and a second character will pop up. The thing about that is it'll be the SECOND character that you fought in the endurance match that you'll be fighting again, but they'll be green and their attacks will have different effects. If the character you fought was Scorpion/Sub-Zero, then you'll be fighting a second Reptile, but if it was someone like Sonya, they'll appear all glitchy and green.

To "play" as a green character, simply press Start on the second player manette in a match against Reptile and when you're at the character select screen, highlight any of the players and they'll be a green color (Scorpion and Sub-Zero will look like Reptile), but when you play in the match, they'll be back to normal.
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01/09/2004 06:38 PM (UTC)
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Mk secrets, this must be the worst argument Ive had since ive been here, and it didnt have to go that far, but its all about character assasination with this guy mk2kungbroken. "youre crazy, youre spreading false rumors, youre a mofo" There is a breaking point.

I would easily let thing glide much smoothly if someone argued for or con based on an intelectual point of view, not mere trash talking.
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01/09/2004 07:34 PM (UTC)
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You guys are probably the saddest MK fans around.

I have spent a lot of time trying to get you to understand that Ermac isn't in MK1, that what you see in Gamepro and EGM is a rumor, or in fact a lie. Character assassination...lol my God seven sadder. Anyway, still to this day, you guys who feel I can't prove that Ermac doesn't exist? Well, really the only proof I need is "Make him appear in the game." If you can't do that, he DOESN'T EXIST. Sorry guys. That's all I ever needed. A lot of people have probably read this thread and laughed at you and never responded.

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outworld222
01/09/2004 07:45 PM (UTC)
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Believe me mk2 kung, i dont think this controversy can be settled, and I doubt people have laughed at this Ermac thing;

Youre right because you cant prove a negative,
(And youre picture doesnt help peoples pro views on Ermac, I think you heart yourself with that)

And I sure as hell am not gonna be lucky tonight to win a 1 in a million lottery ticket, if this theory stands. Thats why its in classic mk, a must read for ages;

(Note: they may laugh at us in a 100 years, and this could be on saturday night live in 500 years.)
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01/09/2004 07:58 PM (UTC)
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Matt, you are saying people are sad. Why? They have nothing to do with it. If you are so level headed then there is no need for such replies. I can't tell you what to do but this is out of hand. There is probably never going to be a response which puts everyone in their place with un-arguable evidence. This is border line Reiko=Kahn'esq. It will never be settled no matter how sure anyone is.
MK2KungBroken Wrote:
You guys are probably the saddest MK fans around.

I have spent a lot of time trying to get you to understand that Ermac isn't in MK1, that what you see in Gamepro and EGM is a rumor, or in fact a lie. Character assassination...lol my God seven sadder. Anyway, still to this day, you guys who feel I can't prove that Ermac doesn't exist? Well, really the only proof I need is "Make him appear in the game." If you can't do that, he DOESN'T EXIST. Sorry guys. That's all I ever needed. A lot of people have probably read this thread and laughed at you and never responded.

Matt

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01/09/2004 10:02 PM (UTC)
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Here is why I "believe" there is a red ninja glitch in MK1. Supposedly (as I've heard), the character "Jade" was given life as another "undiscovered character from MK1" because of a palette error/glitch that showed a green Sonya.

Therefore, it's theoretically possible that the image of a red ninja palette swap/glitch could appear in MK1. After all, there were pallette-swapped moves between Scorpion/Sub-Zero. A glitch in coloring could happen somehow. Palette swapping glitches occur frequently in other MK games.

(Again, this is speculation on my part based on conclusions I've drawn myself)
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01/09/2004 10:22 PM (UTC)
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I have seen the picture of the green Sonya, I don't think it has anything to do with Jade but could be wrong, maybe that is were the rumors started.
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01/09/2004 10:39 PM (UTC)
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MK2KungBroken Wrote:
Craaaazo. Craaaaazo. Outworld222 is a crazy mofo.

I'd sure wish you'd put up a good argument without flaming people countless times.
LOL this topic with his 50+ post,s is so stupid, there is a very very easy think how you guys can prove that Ermac exicst, just 1 friggin screenshot, or a video, but there is nothing.
EVERY FUCKING BUG or GLITCH in ALL OF THE MK,S
can be redone or has been captured, but not the Ermac one, so its a lie, its so easy.
And dont say this Bug is so rare, there are Hundred of thousand players, and Millions of matches that has been played with mk1, if this bug has a chance to appear 10000:1, even than there would be more People that saying yes its true i have seen it.
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01/09/2004 11:22 PM (UTC)
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It's a glitch...the odds of you ever fighting 'Red Scorpion' is probably the same as winning the Powerball..millions to one...notice I didn't call him 'Ermac' either...cause in MK1, there is no 'Ermac'...There is only a 'Red Scorpion', and again, your chances of finding him are slim to none, so don't waste your time looking. There is no Ermac in MK1, only 'Red Scorpion'...good luck finding him..
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01/09/2004 11:25 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, that's the thing. Just how rare can this be? We're talking about one of the most popular arcade releases of all time, which is still in circulation thanks to MAME. Millions of people have played hundreds of hours the game and it's over a decade old. Even if it's "a million to one" there should be some kind of details and way to reproduce this by now.
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01/09/2004 11:25 PM (UTC)
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Killer Miller, hold off on the math,
its 0ne in a million for every person.
Think of it this way
Not everyone gets the same lottery ticket.
In other words, if the whole of california gets the same lottery number match to win, yeah, somebody will eventually win.
But every person has a different number.
Meaning, you have to guess a number between 1 in a million. Then the number changes. You cant use the hard cold fact of ilimination.
Just think about it.
Millions of people arent playing from the same mortal kombat cartrige, so its jammed and has to give the right number.(or error, or the much sought after error macro)
Everyone has their own machine, and their own cartrige.
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01/09/2004 11:33 PM (UTC)
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Lets put it this way.
-Im thinking of a number between 1 and a million

Now its youre turn, take a guess.

- (No) youre wrong it was 447246

Now heres where youre going wrong. Youre saying let a million people join and take a million guesses.

Wrong. At best you have one or two controlers in one machine, and you take youre chances with the guess, you dont have a million super nintedo or sega controls.

This is all too much theory, because no one knows how rare this "trigger" is.

Damn!! no one even knows if its true lol! =)
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01/09/2004 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, that's the thing. Just how rare can this be? We're talking about one of the most popular arcade releases of all time, which is still in circulation thanks to MAME. Millions of people have played hundreds of hours the game and it's over a decade old. Even if it's "a million to one" there should be some kind of details and way to reproduce this by now.


Can you give me a sure-fire way to hit the lottery then?? Cause that's basically what ur trying to do finding this 'Red Scorpion'....

ps - seriously, if you can give me that lottery tip... wink
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01/09/2004 11:51 PM (UTC)
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Its no theory, its simple scientific fact. Every person has their own machine, and they dont have a million buddies playing alongside them. In other words, only one controller can get the glitch.

Okay, how can I explain this.

Its 1 per million in one machine
Then 1 per million in one machine

Lottery:a person can play (buy) a hundred lottery tickets and his playing for one machine (number) But so are 40 million of his california buddies. Okay I think I explained that pretty good.

Who needs the 2004 presidential debates when you got Ermac debates!(J/k)
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01/09/2004 11:54 PM (UTC)
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Its no theory, its simple scientific fact. Every person has their own machine, and they dont have a million buddies playing alongside them. In other words, only one controller can get the glitch.

Okay, how can I explain this.

Its 1 per million in one machine
Then 1 per million in one machine

Lottery:a person can play (buy) a hundred lottery tickets and his playing for one machine (number) But so are 40 million of his california buddies. Okay I think I explained that pretty good.

Who needs the 2004 presidential debates when you got Ermac debates!(J/k)


I'm sorry but I'm missing your point man...Your chances of finding 'Red Scorpion' are millions to one...that is why they said 'Don't waste ur time trying to find it'...it's so rare a glitch, you could try a million times and not find a thing...hey wait, that's already happened, cause so far only one person (maybe) has seen this happen...that's where the lottery comparison comes in..

Finding 'Red Scorpion' - 1,000,000,000 + to 1
Hitting the Powerball - 1,000,000,000 + to 1
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01/10/2004 12:00 AM (UTC)
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well then, that guy was right and youre right blade tsung, he (guessed) the right number.
But think about it, if you wanna talk logic and numbers, I dont think a single mk2 player went to the lottery store and won a one in a million ticket. Maybe once, maybe twice, but i doubt any more would win.
It had to happen at least once. Anyways, blade sung, you put too many zeeros, i know nobodys gonna nail one in a billion!
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01/10/2004 12:04 AM (UTC)
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outworld222 Wrote:
well then, that guy was right and youre right blade tsung, he (guessed) the right number.
But think about it, if you wanna talk logic and numbers, I dont think a single mk2 player went to the lottery store and won a one in a million ticket. Maybe once, maybe twice, but i doubt any more would win.
It had to happen at least once.

Anyways, blade sung, you put too many zeeros, i know nobodys gonna nail one in a billion!


lol well all I'm saying is this;

There is no fighter named Ermac in MK1...there MIGHT be a glitch, causing Scorpion to be red, but if there is, the odds of finding it are the same as hitting the Powerball lotto..slim to none..but tons of people still play all the time...in any event, if you want to find 'Red Scorpion', be my guest, and if you find him, grab a pic (Shift + Print Screen on PC)...till then, I gotta agree with the theory that it's just a glitch that hardly ever ever happens...
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01/10/2004 12:06 AM (UTC)
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yeah, thats pretty much it, a glitch that never happens, and yes he is non other than scorpion.

Note:cool thing about the glitch though. On the bar it would say Ermac.
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01/10/2004 12:11 AM (UTC)
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It can't literally be a million to one chance. That's just silly. If it's really THAT rare why is there a counter for it and why even bother with a special program to sort the game out?

That's what makes no sense about Boon's explination. He claims it's a safeguard to help when "something that shouldn't happen happens"....but that happens all the time in MK1, and it either locks the game up or resets to the ROM check.


How convenient the one glitch that leads to the red ninja error trap is a "million to one", "can't be reproduced" and "he can't tell if it's in MK II". The MK II part in particular reeks of BS.

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01/10/2004 12:58 AM (UTC)
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It can't literally be a million to one chance.


Well, millions have played, none have seen it (maybe one), so that's why I say it's a million to one shot wink

He's not in MK1, as much as I'd like to believe..
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01/10/2004 01:49 AM (UTC)
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Get ready to read...

I don't think you fully understand the magnitude of the sadity at hand here. It's sad that people still whole heartedly believe in a rumor that Ed Boon himself didn't know about until a guy made the claim. I have made a lot of attempts with very good evidence, and the only evidence that was around that was supposed to back up Ermac's presence in MK1 turned out to help my point. I'll explain later. The Reiko=Kahn storyline possibility is the apple to Ermac's orange, there is NO comparison to a character that just isn't in the game. EVEN if the guy managed to experience a million to 1 glitch to make Scorpion red, he's still Scorpion with the wrong pallet, not Ermac.

Shingo, your reasoning would make sense if Ermac's disputed existence was over MK2, but I understand where you're coming from on that.

Sponge-Zer0, learn to read. When people say dumb things, I have the right to make them understand it. My arguement has been beyond that of the combined effort of *3* people who believe in an MK1 Ermac because they all say the same thing, and I'm going to get that again later.

KillerMiller, you are right. It is stupid, but after the first post where I explained much of it, the general reaction should have been, "Ah I see." Not, "No Ed Boon said he exists." Because he did not any such thing.

blade-tsung, you're sort of right, but again it's based on speculation that the picture Tony Casey sent into EGM is real.

Sakura, I'm glad to see more back up on this thanks.

outworld222, on that you are kind of right, but the more people who try increases the probability of find it, even though it's not the odds, it still helps out the situation. If there were a certain pixel range the character would have land in infront of their statue, the more people who try, the more chances of that specific condition being right, but, if the whole thing is based on the state of the machine's parameters, there's no possible way for a person to repeat it, and the only way would be to alter the existing code and make it happen again, but that didn't happen, and they didn't put it in the game intentionally, so there is no Ermac "character" in MK1, but there is a system of error correction called ERMAC, that I nver denied the existence of, ERMAC is not like some God that holds control of the tournament and makes sure that nothing goes wrong, but hey that sounds like a cool storyline to me actually, and the alleged red Scorpion is just one of MANY different types of ERMACS, ergo, no way of reproducing this specific, and alleged, error in any progressive manner. Guessing numbers is different than playing, if you write down every number you pick, you will eventually guess the number, with the game, there are countless variables included, in your guessing game, you would have to include a mathematical equation to randomly select a new number after every guess. In the lottery, the more tickets you buy, with different numbers, increases your odds of winning. This is completely not the lottery. yeah, thats pretty much it, a glitch that never happens, and yes he is non other than scorpion.

Note:cool thing about the glitch though. On the bar it would say Ermac."-ENTIRELY UNTRUE

But you just admitted that what is in the EGM magazine is a glitch that is a red Scorpion, not Ermac. So if I give the EGM trick of the month the benefit of the doubt and say that he did under some cosmic level coincidence, see a red Scorpion, then that is it. He was playing against a red Scorpion. I really want to see the picture again lol.

The 1 in a Million theory is just an excuse to not have to prove it, you'd be thrown in jail for that in court.

OK here's a run down:

1. Ed Boon said, and I QUOTE.

Ed Boon: "I can't tell you if it's in MKII. It's not necessarily a thing that you can get to this or that. It's associated with a...I can't say it's a bug, but it's an event that happens in the game that shouldn't happen. I called it Ermac, my program code, which stands for "Error Macro." When something happens that shouldn't happen, it'll fix itself."

There is no place in that paragraph where Ed Boon says that Ermac is in MK1, he only talks about the error prevention system, and that the glitch the guy found is related to it, and he calls that system Ermac, he never once said that it's a hidden character they put in the game. I guess depending on how you want to interperate it, it could defend either point, it can defend the existence of Ermac if you think that Boon is flat out saying that a character named Ermac is in the game, and it could defend him not being in there if you think he's saying it was an error that shouldn't have happened, personally I think it leans towards the latter because he actually does say "when something happens that shouldn't happen."

2. Only one person in millions has claimed to have seen this happen, and Ed Boon himself did not claim to ever see it, and Ed Boon himself seems very unsure how to explain it. One in millions is not enough to prove it because pictures are easily falsified, I could have even faked the ERMAC DOES NOT EXIST picture from MK2 if I wanted, but you can beat them game for yourself to see that, which brings me to 3.

3. In MK2 when you beat the game you have secret clues and phrases that appear, one of them is ERMAC DOES NOT EXIST, that in itself is enough to make anyone with the least bit of common sense say, "OK fine." It does not mean he doesn't exist in MK2, because he was around for MK1, and UMK3, he was around in MK2. ERMAC DOES NOT EXIST means Ermac does not exist, there's no other way of explaining it, any other explaination is sick, twisted, and convoluted.

4. People have gone as far as to create imaginary methods of obtaining Ermac, and none of them work.

5. Ermac's storyline in UMK3 is based upon the rumor of his existence, and then in MKT, he was given a completely different storyline.

6. In 1999 Ed Boon said in a transcript that no one has found Ermac yet in MK1 completely discrediting what he said in 1993 if in fact what he said means that Ermac was there, and it's purely speculation.

So there you have 6 pieces of evidence, only one of them has the chance to support Ermac's existence in MK1, AND, it can also disprove it.

So it's 5.5 - .5 in favor of Ermac not being there, if anyone has more inf on this, or more proof that he is there, please add it until it matches or exceeds the points I have brought up.

Anyone who says that the EGM pic, or the Gamepro interview are enough proof of his existence is an obtuse piece of flotsam. Also, I am waiting on the evidence of another game magazine where Boon supposedly says it isn't true to begin with.

Matt
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01/10/2004 02:30 AM (UTC)
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My man my man my man, there must be a screw loose in youre head somewhere, under what authority do you say that I could be throw in jail in court for saying one in a million. Under what court, the bugs bunny court? Is that how the justice system works now, were throwing people in jail for presenting their own defensive theories? I should concentrate in the next paragraph of perfecting the old get ten skull points for extreme rude comments. But im not skip that.

Now, when i gave you this site:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/kombat/news_6086253.html

what didnt you get in youre head that he exists in mk1, and he totally doesnt in mk2?

Second, its not like anyone is arguing that Ermac is not just another version of scorpion.

Its just mind baffling, Mr kung broken, that I would be thrown in jail for explaining the probabilities theory; Theres a much better chance that youde end up for a hearing in a court for libel.

Now think about it before you take it up a notch next time.

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01/10/2004 02:36 AM (UTC)
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http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/features/30667.shtml

sorry this was the site that proves that.
Hope this doesnt cost me a trip to jail.
And ofcourse Ed boon doesnt know how to explain ermac in mk, hes not supposed to be there! THats why!
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