^ That's a pretty good summation of why death in MK should just be used to further storylines rather than permanently sit out characters.
It might...

When i played MK9 back in 2011 the story sucked at first. Because i grew up with the original timeline games. So seeing things different in MK9 really urked me. Like Sub-Zero being a Cyborg. or Raiden acting like a dumbass that cause Sub-Zero to be a Cyborg and causing the death of many good guys. I think Johnny Cage was a saving grace. Without his humor... the game wouldve been one big drama fest.

But after a few years... i learned to accept it as its own series and what ifs...

It was like watching Robocop Remake.. its nothing compared to the original. But when i watched this Robocop with a open mind. Its wasn't bad.

So even though the Story Mode bombed... its was still entertaining.

About MKX... seeing chapter 1 was badass, im siked to see more. i have a feeling the story will be better than MK9.
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03/19/2015 07:02 AM (UTC)
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Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.
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"Sonya Blade, this is Grandmaster Sektor of the Tekunin Clan. Our consciousness is no longer bound to flesh."

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03/19/2015 07:57 AM (UTC)
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annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline




Unfortunate as it may be, I got the feeling that's where we're headed D:
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03/19/2015 10:12 AM (UTC)
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annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.

May any and all deities have mercy on our souls...
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03/19/2015 12:45 PM (UTC)
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Killamore Wrote:
PaletteSwap40000 Wrote:
I think MK 9's story mode created two major problems for the MK saga as a whole:
1. Introducing the element of time travel now leaves us confused as to whether or not MK4 through MKA even took place. And if not, where do most of the 3-D era characters fit in with the story? Anytime writers create an alternate timeline it's confusing, and frankly, irritating.

2. Killing off a massive amount of characters in one scene. I highly doubt the wtiters thought about how this scene would effect the story of the next game. It seems like now they're trying to dig themselves out of a hole by using this revenant angle, which as this thread suggests, is pissing off a lot of people. The craziest part is how easily this could have been avoided by just having Sindel knock out a bunch of people and then kill off a few characters like Stryker.

So now the writing staff has decided to clear things up by skipping ahead 25 years, bringing back killed off characters, adding family members, flashing back to right after MK9, and adding a comic series for everything between. So yes, I have my worries too, but as long as it's not like the plot of injustice, I think we'll be safe.


I disagree. First of all, time travel and alternate universes only get confusing if you try to blend it with the original timeline. That's what made most of the people who hate MK9's story upset. The story now is going on just the same as before but in a different direction. What people did in the original timeline has little relevance to what's happening now.

That scene where most of the heroes died, lead right to Quan Chi capturing their souls. Setting up the Netherrealm War better than before. The revenant angle was started in MK9. Would it help if instead of saying "killed off" you said "their souls possessed by Quan Chi."

Death becoming a plot point doesn't take away from the story. In fact I would argue it makes MK more unique than those who use death as a final destination. We get to follow these characters existence, not just their life. And as I said before, death is just one of the many things that raises the stakes.

Was it Scorpion's death that made him who he is? No, it was the slaughter of his clan. And with their death not meaning their absolute end, gave him the quest to revive them. The reviving of Sindel did much more for Kitana's story than Sindel's death. The Cyber Initiative plot made Sub-Zero and Smoke much deeper characters, and gave us Cyrax and Sektor to get attached to. Any of them dying and being gone forever wouldn't have done that.
Raiden offered scorpion his clan back. Also we don't even really get to see the nr war and shinnok still loses. Another thing is people personalities should still be the same. There desires should not change by much and from the looks of mileena they haven't.
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03/19/2015 01:05 PM (UTC)
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annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.




If Sektor dies, shit is going to get real, I SWEAR TO GO TO NRS AND FUCKING MAKE SURE THEY PUT HIM IN AND GIVE HIM THE STORY WHERE HE KILLS EVERYBODY IN MK! This is just so they learn not to leave Sektor outside any MK game going forward.
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03/19/2015 03:15 PM (UTC)
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Killamore Wrote:
PaletteSwap40000 Wrote:
I think MK 9's story mode created two major problems for the MK saga as a whole:
1. Introducing the element of time travel now leaves us confused as to whether or not MK4 through MKA even took place. And if not, where do most of the 3-D era characters fit in with the story? Anytime writers create an alternate timeline it's confusing, and frankly, irritating.

2. Killing off a massive amount of characters in one scene. I highly doubt the wtiters thought about how this scene would effect the story of the next game. It seems like now they're trying to dig themselves out of a hole by using this revenant angle, which as this thread suggests, is pissing off a lot of people. The craziest part is how easily this could have been avoided by just having Sindel knock out a bunch of people and then kill off a few characters like Stryker.

So now the writing staff has decided to clear things up by skipping ahead 25 years, bringing back killed off characters, adding family members, flashing back to right after MK9, and adding a comic series for everything between. So yes, I have my worries too, but as long as it's not like the plot of injustice, I think we'll be safe.


I disagree. First of all, time travel and alternate universes only get confusing if you try to blend it with the original timeline. That's what made most of the people who hate MK9's story upset. The story now is going on just the same as before but in a different direction. What people did in the original timeline has little relevance to what's happening now.

That scene where most of the heroes died, lead right to Quan Chi capturing their souls. Setting up the Netherrealm War better than before. The revenant angle was started in MK9. Would it help if instead of saying "killed off" you said "their souls possessed by Quan Chi."

Death becoming a plot point doesn't take away from the story. In fact I would argue it makes MK more unique than those who use death as a final destination. We get to follow these characters existence, not just their life. And as I said before, death is just one of the many things that raises the stakes.

Was it Scorpion's death that made him who he is? No, it was the slaughter of his clan. And with their death not meaning their absolute end, gave him the quest to revive them. The reviving of Sindel did much more for Kitana's story than Sindel's death. The Cyber Initiative plot made Sub-Zero and Smoke much deeper characters, and gave us Cyrax and Sektor to get attached to. Any of them dying and being gone forever wouldn't have done that.


Sentient beings' whole existences revolve around staying alive, that's their purpose, to survive, it is in our nature. When you take away that element from a story, for example, by cheapening death. You take away a mayor drive force, some character's basic motivation.

Saying that death becoming a plot point does take way a lot from the story, only applies if it's handled well and in a consistent manner. Why would Scorpion even mourn his family it it was any possibility of resurrecting them? his whole motivation doesn't make sense if death can be so easily cheated.

And It doesn't make MK any more unique, as plot point or contrived explanation, making characters escape eternal rest has been done to death, (no pun intended) in almost every type of media, used as a plot device or for mere shock value.

We don't know how Sindel's death affected Kitana but we do know what it did for Earthrealm. People have hard time dealing with loss, is only natural, the same applies to things we get attached to, like video game characters, the problem you're pointing out isn't death in itself but how overused of a plot device is becoming on MK. Eventually people will get tired if they keep abusing it, even if we all know how meaningless it has become.

Sure, there are other ways to race the stakes, although for that you need very good writing, death impact on anything is undeniable. it's what carries more weight, it is the ultimate stake. It is what makes care more for the things you love, they're are not going to stay forever and can disappear in any second. If NRS plans to completely abandon this motivation they really need to find some other good ones, people are harder to impress than ever.

And for the ones who are afraid their favourites characters are going to sit one out because they died, if they want to leave a character out from a game or two they are gong to do it one way or another. Jade isn't out because she died, she out because NRS, for whatever reason, didn't want her for MKX. It will always happen for some characters in every game, death is only one of the excuses the devs can use.

Death in videogames is almost never definitive but it needs to carry at least some weight to it, because you simply can replace it.
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03/19/2015 03:22 PM (UTC)
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annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.
Huge Sektor fan here, and unfortunately, I feel like if he dies he WILL die forever in this timeline. I mean... Can anyone think of a storyline where an evil robo ninja with no allies other than generic robo ninjas is resurrected?

Unless he's accidentally revived when reviving other heroes or something. Regardless, if there's enough demand they'll probably find something.
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03/19/2015 04:02 PM (UTC)
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If Sektor dies, he could get resurrected by Crunchy as either a revenant in a new body like Sub-Zero or Cyborg Revenant with spiky tech armor like Jax.

But that's if his soul goes to the Netherealm.
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03/19/2015 04:09 PM (UTC)
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sharefrock Wrote:
annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.




If Sektor dies, shit is going to get real, I SWEAR TO GO TO NRS AND FUCKING MAKE SURE THEY PUT HIM IN AND GIVE HIM THE STORY WHERE HE KILLS EVERYBODY IN MK! This is just so they learn not to leave Sektor outside any MK game going forward.


Settle down kid

Sektor is the tampon of cyborgs, red and bloody and something that belongsin the toiletIwink
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03/19/2015 04:12 PM (UTC)
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Cages_Shades Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
annilation Wrote:
Just imagine if Sektor died forever in this timeline I wonder what sharefrocks reaction would be.




If Sektor dies, shit is going to get real, I SWEAR TO GO TO NRS AND FUCKING MAKE SURE THEY PUT HIM IN AND GIVE HIM THE STORY WHERE HE KILLS EVERYBODY IN MK! This is just so they learn not to leave Sektor outside any MK game going forward.


Settle down kid

Sektor is the tampon of cyborgs, red and bloody and something that belongsin the toiletIwink


You would know how it feels to belong in a toilet, wouldn't you.

Sektor is awesome, too bad your favourite characters are also my favourite characters, Reiko and Rain are one of my two favs, so I can't make fun of them, but I can prove you wrong, Sektor would burn Reiko to crisp, that cosplayer.
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03/19/2015 04:27 PM (UTC)
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Killamore Wrote:
PaletteSwap40000 Wrote:
I think MK 9's story mode created two major problems for the MK saga as a whole:
1. Introducing the element of time travel now leaves us confused as to whether or not MK4 through MKA even took place. And if not, where do most of the 3-D era characters fit in with the story? Anytime writers create an alternate timeline it's confusing, and frankly, irritating.

2. Killing off a massive amount of characters in one scene. I highly doubt the wtiters thought about how this scene would effect the story of the next game. It seems like now they're trying to dig themselves out of a hole by using this revenant angle, which as this thread suggests, is pissing off a lot of people. The craziest part is how easily this could have been avoided by just having Sindel knock out a bunch of people and then kill off a few characters like Stryker.

So now the writing staff has decided to clear things up by skipping ahead 25 years, bringing back killed off characters, adding family members, flashing back to right after MK9, and adding a comic series for everything between. So yes, I have my worries too, but as long as it's not like the plot of injustice, I think we'll be safe.


I disagree. First of all, time travel and alternate universes only get confusing if you try to blend it with the original timeline. That's what made most of the people who hate MK9's story upset. The story now is going on just the same as before but in a different direction. What people did in the original timeline has little relevance to what's happening now.

That scene where most of the heroes died, lead right to Quan Chi capturing their souls. Setting up the Netherrealm War better than before. The revenant angle was started in MK9. Would it help if instead of saying "killed off" you said "their souls possessed by Quan Chi."

Death becoming a plot point doesn't take away from the story. In fact I would argue it makes MK more unique than those who use death as a final destination. We get to follow these characters existence, not just their life. And as I said before, death is just one of the many things that raises the stakes.

Was it Scorpion's death that made him who he is? No, it was the slaughter of his clan. And with their death not meaning their absolute end, gave him the quest to revive them. The reviving of Sindel did much more for Kitana's story than Sindel's death. The Cyber Initiative plot made Sub-Zero and Smoke much deeper characters, and gave us Cyrax and Sektor to get attached to. Any of them dying and being gone forever wouldn't have done that.


I couldn't agree more. I joke about death being meaningless in MK, but it really isn't, it's a unique storytelling tool and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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