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06/21/2014 07:26 PM (UTC)
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I am still a fan of Kitana. I am one of the people that would be happy to see her return.
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06/21/2014 07:26 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

He loses to Stryker. He loses to a Cyber-Sub who SHOULD be exhausted because he just fought Goro and Kintaro at the same time.


Duracells.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:29 PM (UTC)
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Ermac losing to Stryker = Joke from Ed Boon.

Ed Boon is full of bad jokes.

Stryker must have battled with Reptile, Mileena, Baraka and maybe Sheeva or another weaker badguy. not Ermac, it doesn't make sense that a simple human can beat Ermac on his own...
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:31 PM (UTC)
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I don't think Ermac is as powerful as people think he is. This is why Ermac is an overrated character.
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06/21/2014 07:32 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
Ermac losing to Stryker = Joke from Ed Boon.

Ed Boon is full of bad jokes.



I hate that chapter.
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RazorsEdge701
06/21/2014 07:32 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I don't think Ermac is as powerful as people think he is. This is why Ermac is an overrated character.


He did still beat Kung Lao, Sonya, Jax, Cage, and Kitana 5-on-1 in Deception.

But yeah, again, that's a cutscene accomplishment, not something you ever really get to do AS him. He's all hype.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:33 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I don't think Ermac is as powerful as people think he is. This is why Ermac is an overrated character.


It's Shao Kahns main enforcer, almost every bio if him states that he is powerfull...

Its just that you play as Stryker so Stryker must win every battle in the end...

It would have made more sense if Nightwolf would have KO'd Ermac from behind after you beat Ermac in battle with weakling Stryker.
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RoyalChakra
06/21/2014 07:35 PM (UTC)
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I'm still trying to figure out what we consider cannon and not. Is Shao Kahn being her stepfather canon or not?
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RazorsEdge701
06/21/2014 07:37 PM (UTC)
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Yes, it's still canon that he made Sindel marry him and adopted Kitana.
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:37 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I don't think Ermac is as powerful as people think he is. This is why Ermac is an overrated character.


He did still beat Kung Lao, Sonya, Jax, Cage, and Kitana 5-on-1 in Deception.


RazorsEdge701 Wrote:in Deception.


RazorsEdge701 Wrote:Deception


Yes... in MK Deception... Which happened AFTER he had been in the Netherrealm and sucked the power out of the Soul Stones.

But in MK9's point of the story, he is just another of Shao Kahn's minions. If Ermac really was all that powerful, he would have had alot more success stories - which he didn't even have in the original timeline before Deception.
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RazorsEdge701
06/21/2014 07:38 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Which happened AFTER he had been in the Netherrealm and sucked the power out of the Soul Stones.


Pretty sure those don't make people stronger, they just restore them to regular power because the Netherealm drains magic.
We do also see in 9 that Ermac has to occasionally "regenerate" anyway by living in the Soul Chamber or something...
I'm curious what success stories you would expect from Ermac between MK3 and Deception though, since his story is that he spent those games living alone and training Kenshi, not fighting anybody.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I don't think Ermac is as powerful as people think he is. This is why Ermac is an overrated character.


He did still beat Kung Lao, Sonya, Jax, Cage, and Kitana 5-on-1 in Deception.


RazorsEdge701 Wrote:in Deception.


RazorsEdge701 Wrote:Deception


Yes... in MK Deception... Which happened AFTER he had been in the Netherrealm and sucked the power out of the Soul Stones.

But in MK9's point of the story, he is just another of Shao Kahn's minions. If Ermac really was all that powerful, he would have had alot more success stories - which he didn't even have in the original timeline before Deception.



He was just created, Shang said he was a newest creation.

Also Stryker is just a human with human weapons, no way a normal human can beat somebody who controlls telekinetic powers much like Jean Grey.
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:42 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:

He was just created, Shang said he was a newest creation.

Also Stryker is just a human with human weapons, no way a normal human can beat somebody who controlls telekinetic powers much like Jean Grey.


You can't compare the two. Yes, they are both telekinetics, but Jean Grey's powers are beyond powerful. Ermac's aren't.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:44 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:

He was just created, Shang said he was a newest creation.

Also Stryker is just a human with human weapons, no way a normal human can beat somebody who controlls telekinetic powers much like Jean Grey.


You can't compare the two. Yes, they are both telekinetics, but Jean Grey's powers are beyond powerful. Ermac's aren't.


making someones arms explode isn't Jean niveau, its much better.

Jean Grey (without the phoenix) can't even lift a rock easily... Ermac picked up Stryker with ease and threw him into the subway, never seen Jean do such a thing without the Phoenix.

Stryker only won because it was his chapter and because Ed Boon & Co made Stryker win by creating that useless fight. In my opinion Ermac should have thrown Stryker into the subway where he met Baraka and fought with Baraka instead of with Ermac...
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RoyalChakra
06/21/2014 07:45 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Yes, it's still canon that he made Sindel marry him and adopted Kitana.
Ok thank you. Clears that up for me.
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:48 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:making someones arms explode isn't Jean niveau, its much better.

Jean Grey (without the phoenix) can't even lift a rock easily... Ermac picked up Stryker with ease and threw him into the subway, never seen Jean do such a thing without the Phoenix.


Are you just talking about Jean from the movies, or have you read the comics? Because believe me, you are severely wrong about that statement.

Either way, in case you didn't already know, I disagree. It is canon that Ermac keeps getting beat up. Story Mode is canon. You might not like what happens in Story Mode, but that doesn't matter, because it is still canon. And I repeat, in Story Mode, Ermac gets beaten. Again and again. Which definately proves that Ermac isn't as powerful as you guys want him to be.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:48 PM (UTC)
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Also Stryker beating Ermac is a real big FUCK YOU to Jax...

Ermac crushes Jax arms without a struggle and Styrker beats Ermac easily... While Jax is suppose to be stronger than mere human Stryker.

Its really the worst battle in the entire game after Johnny VS Sonya and Johnny VS Jax.
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:51 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
Also Stryker beating Ermac is a real big FUCK YOU to Jax...

Ermac crushes Jax arms without a struggle and Styrker beats Ermac easily... While Jax is suppose to be stronger than mere human Stryker.

Its really the worst battle in the entire game after Johnny VS Sonya and Johnny VS Jax.


At that point, Ermac had just been fully restored, and he used his powers to overcome Jax. And as you can see, it drained him enough to be beaten once more.

Again, you might not like it, but it's still plainly obvious.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:52 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:making someones arms explode isn't Jean niveau, its much better.

Jean Grey (without the phoenix) can't even lift a rock easily... Ermac picked up Stryker with ease and threw him into the subway, never seen Jean do such a thing without the Phoenix.


Are you just talking about Jean from the movies, or have you read the comics? Because believe me, you are severely wrong about that statement.

Either way, in case you didn't already know, I disagree. It is canon that Ermac keeps getting beat up. Story Mode is canon. You might not like what happens in Story Mode, but that doesn't matter, because it is still canon. And I repeat, in Story Mode, Ermac gets beaten. Again and again. Which definately proves that Ermac isn't as powerful as you guys want him to be.


I got a feeling you just don't like Ermac that much... YOu kinda hate him.

Jade is also weak. She gets beaten together with Kitana by freaking Sonya blade, a Human that lives only for 30 years max, kitana and jade are both 10.000 years old have study fighting sports for thousands of years and still get beaten BOTH by a single freaking human.

I love the game and stories, but the fights logic in MK9 is far off.
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Jaded-Raven
06/21/2014 07:54 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:making someones arms explode isn't Jean niveau, its much better.

Jean Grey (without the phoenix) can't even lift a rock easily... Ermac picked up Stryker with ease and threw him into the subway, never seen Jean do such a thing without the Phoenix.


Are you just talking about Jean from the movies, or have you read the comics? Because believe me, you are severely wrong about that statement.

Either way, in case you didn't already know, I disagree. It is canon that Ermac keeps getting beat up. Story Mode is canon. You might not like what happens in Story Mode, but that doesn't matter, because it is still canon. And I repeat, in Story Mode, Ermac gets beaten. Again and again. Which definately proves that Ermac isn't as powerful as you guys want him to be.


I got a feeling you just don't like Ermac that much... YOu kinda hate him.

Jade is also weak. She gets beaten together with Kitana by freaking Sonya blade, a Human that lives only for 30 years max, kitana and jade are both 10.000 years old have study fighting sports for thousands of years and still get beaten BOTH by a single freaking human.

I love the game and stories, but the fights logic in MK9 is far off.


Not at all, I think Ermac is awesome. I just don't put him on a piedestal. And I don't do that about Jade either. As awesome I think she is, then yes, Jade is weak compared to many of the others.
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DVorah
06/21/2014 07:55 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:making someones arms explode isn't Jean niveau, its much better.

Jean Grey (without the phoenix) can't even lift a rock easily... Ermac picked up Stryker with ease and threw him into the subway, never seen Jean do such a thing without the Phoenix.


Are you just talking about Jean from the movies, or have you read the comics? Because believe me, you are severely wrong about that statement.

Either way, in case you didn't already know, I disagree. It is canon that Ermac keeps getting beat up. Story Mode is canon. You might not like what happens in Story Mode, but that doesn't matter, because it is still canon. And I repeat, in Story Mode, Ermac gets beaten. Again and again. Which definately proves that Ermac isn't as powerful as you guys want him to be.


I got a feeling you just don't like Ermac that much... YOu kinda hate him.

Jade is also weak. She gets beaten together with Kitana by freaking Sonya blade, a Human that lives only for 30 years max, kitana and jade are both 10.000 years old have study fighting sports for thousands of years and still get beaten BOTH by a single freaking human.

I love the game and stories, but the fights logic in MK9 is far off.


Not at all, I think Ermac is awesome. I just don't put him on a piedestal. And I don't do that about Jade either. As awesome I think she is, then yes, Jade is weak compared to many of the others.



So who would you say are powerful?

Sonya, Johnny Cage, Stryker and Jax? All the humans?
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RoyalChakra
06/21/2014 07:56 PM (UTC)
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It kind of sucks for me at times. I never really ever understood or cared for the storylines in the MK Universe. I was always just focused on the game and never took interest in the story. But then MK 9 came out and I found myself wanting to know more... maybe that's why I don't have a steady favorite character? Ehh.
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Spider804
06/21/2014 07:56 PM (UTC)
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Illogical things happen all the time in video games and comic books etc. al And they'll never stop.
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zerosebaz
06/21/2014 07:58 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
Also Stryker beating Ermac is a real big FUCK YOU to Jax...

Ermac crushes Jax arms without a struggle and Styrker beats Ermac easily... While Jax is suppose to be stronger than mere human Stryker.

Its really the worst battle in the entire game after Johnny VS Sonya and Johnny VS Jax.


At that point, Ermac had just been fully restored, and he used his powers to overcome Jax. And as you can see, it drained him enough to be beaten once more.

Again, you might not like it, but it's still plainly obvious.


Ermac wasn't fully restored, he clearly says they interrupted his regeneration process.
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06/21/2014 08:06 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I don't think it was a struggle, though, because immediately after Sindel does it, Nightwolf kills her, and Nightwolf's not that important to the plot. He's not a "main" character.

The real heroes, Liu Kang and Raiden, didn't actually have to struggle to beat her, and since there's only one chapter left after she's dead which Raiden spends alone fighting Scorpion, the zombies, Liu Kang (all of which are NOT members of Kahn's invading army), and then Kahn himself, the rest of the invasion wasn't actually a struggle because of those heroes being removed from the fight either.



A struggle is not merely physical.

Raiden grew so desperate after not only failing to get help from the Elder Gods, but also seeing his the majority of his warriors lying dead, he begged a dangerous enemy for help. He sunk to an all-new low, forming Liu Kang to lose faith in him. That was the struggle Sindel created.

To say, Nightwolf himself did physically struggle to defeat Sindel, however. Hell, he had to die in order to defeat her.



RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

A) Give the bad guys chapters and let us play as them, so that we/they can actually win some fights. Reptile, Baraka, Mileena, etc. look like losers because they lose every single actual fight they're in. The stakes of the two tournaments would have been higher if we had seen more onscreen eliminations of the heroes. The only good guy who we ever actually see lose a match is Johnny Cage.


While I've been longing for chapters for villains, it won't necessarily prove that they are a threat. The chapters are designed to bring victory to the player; the matches are practically void. It's not the chapter itself that matters, but how the chapter plays out. The villain would have to be acknowledged as a threat, not simply win four fights.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

B) The problem isn't killing people, the problem is which people they killed. Just for example, why not leave Stryker and either Cyber-Sub or Smoke alive so they'd have a chance to grow into their new roles. Why bother to change them if you're going to wipe them off the slate at the end anyway?


Yes, Cyber Sub-Zero and Stryker getting killed off was kinda dumb, but it doesn't have anything to do with villains being or not being a threat. When it comes to specific matches, how one could matter is if the villain's opponent is in fact perceived as a threat. Let's say Mileena goes up against Fujin, a powerful wind god, and Fujin is killed. The player would be like, "Daaaaaaaaamn!" Those are a kinds of battles a villain would need. Not all the time, of course.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

Or alternatively, if they had told a more traditional story where Liu Kang and Kitana remain the main heroes instead of being turned into tragic victims, you could still kill other, less plot-relevant good guys in order to up the "these guys are dangerous" factor. There were several deaths in the original trilogy, after all, though some were undone by later games. Johnny Cage and Kung Lao was kind of a big deal back in MK3.


I think NRS had clearly grown tired of having the same heroes, and I think that's why they did what they did.

I certainly got sick of Liu Kang being the hero a long time ago, and I got sick of Kitana simply being a princess. I would've much preferred other events, but we got this one.

As for the upping, killing less relevant good guys does nothing for a villain. It only satisfies the players who value the more relevant characters. "Yeah, let's kill Art Lean instead of Johnny Cage. That'll show how powerful Goro is!"

If the less relevant heroes are all immensely powerful and were very difficult to defeat, I'd consider your approach. But they're not, and we know they're not. It wouldn't mean a thing if they were killed.
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