Dude please acquire some logic before speaking, and I actually would advice you to read what I said again.

I have no problem with them paying tribute to jade I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM.

But most people seem to not understand that, I swear to god it's like I am writing it and people can't read it, they only read the bad.

I am happy they are putting some of Jade's spirit in but please let it make sense.

Staff and Boomerang are perfectly reasonable but Shadow Kick was supposed to be a move that's related to the characters abilities and not their weapon of choice.

For example Johnny Cage has a Shadow Kick not because he acquires it from his Sunglasses.

Jade has the Shadow Kick not because of Her staff.

Nightwolf has a Shadow green moves not because he paints his face.

Shao Kahn has Shadow green moves not because he wears the helmet.

Liu Kang has fireballs not because he wears the headband

Kabal has super speed not because he is wearing a trench coat.

Point is: You can't teach an ability...

I feel really weird having to explain something like this, I said when I first started the thread.

I think that Jade's move is not related to the staff but it's an ability.

If I am wrong then I am sorry, I made a big mistake but you can't also just say "you are wrong" and that's it.

If Jade's and Johnny's moves could be given to other people then they are not abilities and I WANT JOHNNY'S SUNGLASSES SO I CAN DO THE GREEN MOVES :D.

Who cares lol

Only peopke angry by this are people who wont even play as this variation anyway, and prolly didnt like playing as jade.

Plus im sure its not that hard for a trained assasin to learn a kick that their sparring parter for hundreds of years used.

I guess you ignored the second part of my post, in which I explain that this would not be the first time in history of video games or even an anime that a character inherits the "Ability" or special move of another character? Go read it again.

Visually, yes. Gameplay wise, they all serve the same exact purpose, and that's knocking the opponent away from the player.


My point is, why are people mentioning that Kitana borrowed Jade's moves while acting like Jade is innocent?

Jade had Kitana's Fans in MKII.
Jade has Johnny Cage's Shadow Kick and straight up ran with it.

From a gameplay perspective jade and Johnny 's shadow kicks are different : the latter is used only as the last move in a combo.

Jade can use her shadow kick as a starter. For istance in mk9 you can do two consecutive shadow kicks. With Johnny you can' t

I like Jade and not only that but she is my 2nd main, so that part of what you said is out of the window.

Plus I already explained that you can't train an ability, but anyways people still think you can still train an ability.

If Jade's moves are related to her staff rather than her actual character than I'm sorry because it would be my mistake to assume nobody else can have them.

On the other hand if that is true then any other character in the MK Universe could have that kick.



First I have to start by saying what does "This has happened before" have to do with anything?

I know it happened before, the word "Hey" have been said many many times before.

No need to point out the obvious, just because it happened doesn't mean I can't point out that it's a flow.

I might have opened this thread too early, If they explain how Kitana has Jade's Shadow move that's supposed to be an ability then I made a big mistake.

But I am sure they will explain it the same way they explained how the dead characters are back in print issue #2

"They were miraculously restored to life" Or something along these lines.

I guess I am just a very critical person and I love everything to be explained in a reasonable and logical way.

No surprise I have no idea what are the animes you were talking about, they are probably something similar to Naruto which I don't watch.

I understand your answer fully, it's not that I don't understand it. and I respect your opinion but you can't be like "Ohhh it happened before so we shouldn't complain about it" (This is not what you said but this is what you implied)

And at the end of Jade's second Shadow Kick...what does the attack make the opponent do?

"they all serve the same exact purpose, and that's knocking the opponent away from the player."

It's not like I'm wrong here.

I'm not implying that because it has happened before, it should happen. All I'm saying is that it has indeed happened many times before in video games/animes, therefore it's something that can potentially happen in MK too.

I still don't understand your point in that another character can't be taught or inherit the move of another character. Why wouldn't it not be possible? How did Goku learn the Kame-ha-me-ha from Master Roshi then? Why can't Jade have taught Kitana her Shadow Kick? What makes it impossible?

I'm curious. If it's not an ability, then what is it called?

Not even shocked that Kitana has, yet again, stolen another move.

But people on here will continue to defend and make excuses forgiving this behavior. Little miss princess just gets what she wants it seems.

I'm annoyed at her leaping stab as well. That was a mileena thing.

Again, there is a huge difference. Jade shadow kick is a starter and a possibile corner juggle.

Cage's one can only be used as ender.

The simple fact that both moves can knock your opponent away is not enough to justify "they are the same" argument.

So, according to you every fireball is the same just because used for zoning?

You know that it's a kick right? It literally just requires legs. What makes it an "ability" is the glowing green energy that surrounds Jade when she uses it. Kitana doesn't have that. Why would Kitana be incapable of doing the motion?

The real question is why do Jade and Johnny have the same abilities if they're from different realms

Well I for one think you should go to Outworld and give a good talking too.

I didn't say you can't inherit someone else's moves and it makes sense, Cassie Cage inherited Johnny's Green Shadow moves so it makes a lot of sense.

Kitana didn't inherit Jade's Shadow kick.

If and I already said this like 3 times, if they explain this in the story with a reasonable explanation, not like that half assed explanation we got for why some of the dead characters are back which was something along the lines of "We are the creators and we wanted to bring some dead characters back and leave the others dead, do you have a problem with that? Well you can't do shit about it, bye bye."

Again I have not played the story mode and I might have made a mistake on both parts of Jade and the dead characters.

If they explain why Kitana has something that's supposed to be an ability that is preformed by said character because he/she has a certain power that allows them to do it, then why does Kitana has that ability.

Goku learned something that can be taught and the power was in him all along.

Kitana on the other hand never had Shadow moves, but if the Shadow moves are something that can be taught then I apologize I was too hasty in making this thread.

but as far as I know Shadow moves are not taught.

Also just to try and make it more simpler.

Superman can't teach Batman how to shot lasers from his eyes because Batman is a human and human's can't do that.

Do you get it now?

Jade's and Johnny's Green Shadow moves are like Superman's eye lasers in the sense that they can't be taught they are something related to the character.



it's called a move, if I do a back-flip then that's a move if I shot fireballs from my hand then that's an ability...

Ability is that you posses the means to do something, Kitana does not posses the means to do the Shadow kick because it requires energy that characters like Jade,Johnny,Nightwolf and Shao Kahn posses.

Those 4 energies between these characters might differ but they all have something in common.



I agree with some of the points you made, People should really voice some of their worries and I am happy that I'm not the only one who got annoyed by that.

It's good to see people not just accept the shit that's handed to them.

I understand what's the purpose of that variation and I'm very happy that it exists I just wish it made a bit more sense.

Granted it's not the worst thing ever but It just annoyed me personally because I had always thought Shadow move was supposed to be something specific to these few characters and not everybody can do it.

but now that Kitana can do it, what's stopping say... Reptile from doing it? or Ermac,Mileena,Liu kang,Kung Lao etc...?

And yeah the leap also seemed a bit Mileenaish(Yes that's a word :P) to me but I'm sure Mileena will have some pretty awesome Moves in MKX.

I love you lol, It's true that the real question is how does Jade and Johnny have the same move when they are literally worlds apart but I rather just harp on what we have seen recently rather than what we have accepted as 20 years ago :p. P.S: Sorry for the double post

No one knows if Kitana does indeed inherit her Shadow Kick, till we do play Story Mode. All I'm saying is that it could be a possibility, and could be a good answer.

Both of your examples make 0 sense. Goku still had to be taught the Kame-ha-me-ha by Master Roshi, with practise. Regardless of whether not Goku could do it is something totally different. He still had to be taught the move, and then inherited it. If Master Roshi did not teach him, he would never have known the move. Just like Kitana. Jade could have taught her the Shadow Kick, and Kitana could have learned it.

Cassie Cage, as pointed out by Raiden, has not inherited Johnny Cage's green energy moves.

Batman is simply a human, a mortal.Of course he can't shoot lasers from his eyes, that's so stupid. He doesn't have the capacity to do that as a human. Kitana is not a human. She is an Edenian, is immortal, has super-natural strength, can levitate people with her Fans, and has been an assassin for over hundreds of years. Why is it not in the realm of possibility for someone like Kitana to do be taught Jade's Shadow kick? Mortal Kombat is all about magic. Nothing is ever ruled out in MK.

I don't think inherit means what you think it means.

Cassie Cage inherited Shadow moves from Johnny Cage because Johnny Cage is her father.

Unless Jade is Kitana's Mother or Nightwolf,Shao Kahn or even Johnny Cage is Kitana's Father it wouldn't make sense.

And LMAO at Cassie Cage didn't inherit Johnny Cage's green energy moves, At this point I'd like to think you are joking because it's the only reason you'd say that.

Why does she have The Green Shadow moves then? if anybody can have those moves then why doesn't Sonya,Jax,Kabal,Stryker have them?

And after reading your final thing that you had to say I feel like talking to you is pointless because unlike other people on the forum you are not willing to discuss.

You are not willing to accept anything other than your point of view and that blinded you because near the end of the post you say that Batman can't shot lasers because he is mortal while not realizing that even though Superman is not human the Flash is indeed human.

So by your logic The Flash is able to teach Batman how to run faster than light.

By your logic Spiderman can teach Batman to stick to walls without using any kind of gadgets.

And since I already determined that you have a small-minded perspective and you are only willing to see what you want to see I'll try to give a more obvious example.

Which is by your logic Kabal can teach Stryker how to run very fast like he does just because they are both humans.

You see how stupid what you said sounds now?

Just because Kitana and Jade are Edenians doesn't mean they will have the same abilities.

You want another example?

Look at Kintaro and Goro they are both Shokan but they are still different.

I will most likely not reply to your next post because as I made clear, you only want to see what you want to see which makes debating more with you pointless.

I saw some of your point and I agreed with them because they were good point like we should wait for the story mode because it might explain the reason Kitana has Jade's Shadow kick.

Either way have a nice day and I do hope you consider a perspective other than your own.

Don't be too close-minded .

Okay, you "got me" on MK9. But I wasn't just talking about MK9.
How about MK Trilogy?

Seriously? You're over-thinking this shit. It's just a fucking special move.

Kitana doesn't glow while she does the kick either, so who the fuck cares?

"the real question is why do jade and johnny have the same abilities if their from different realms"

They don't. They have completely different abilities and the only similarity is how Jade glows while she does it and she also glows during her phasing move. They aren't the same "ability" by any means and if you try to counter argument that with some bullshit that it is the same move then i'm not even going to bother.

Oh and you saying to daleegeezy to "Please aquire some logic before speaking" is pretty fucking laughable. Everything he said is logical, and you just make up bullshit to get your point across.

Kitana has no glow when she does it. its just a kick, I dont see whats so hard to understand.

I mean she can mimic it because shes a trained assasin and has sparred with jade for hundreds of years

I think there's a little confusion in the wording.

::Cassie X Raiden dialogue::

Cassie: Help me conjure green energy, okay?
Raiden: You have not your father's gifts.
Cassie: You suck as a mentor.

So I guess Cassie can't shoot green energy projectiles like Johnny.
But she inherit just enough from him that she can do a shadow flip-kick as far as I know. They seriously need to show off her variations.

Okay then could you point out where I made shit up?

If you are going to make a statement like "you just make up bullshit to get your point across" then you should be able to back it up otherwise it's really ironic because it would be you who made shit up.

I didn't make anything up, I even said that from what I know, I'll repeat that again FROM WHAT I KNOW.

Because I know some people like you have problems understanding lines like this.

Meaning this is my own ideas of the move I have not read this anywhere.

The move is supposed to be an ability Jade has rather than something just about anybody can do.

It's also funny because you ignore the truth in what I say and instead go for the easy things that you can point out.

It also proves that you clearly have not read what I posted.

I said that Johnny Cage, Jade,Nightwolf and Shao Kahn have similar.

I'll have to repeat that again of course, SIMILAR.

Shadow green moves, Not he exact moves. never once said the exact same moves.

I did say that Johnny Cage's and Jade's "Shadow Kick" move is the same because the are named exactly the same thing "Shadow Kick"

But the "Abilities" they have differ from each other.

They are similar in a way but not exactly the same.

So let's see you point out what Bullshit I said from before, I doubt that you'll be able to point out anything because you have not even read half of what I said before which makes what you said pretty pointless with zero credibility.



I understand what your saying and I agree with you, but here is the thing.

In the stream They specifically said "She also has the Shadow kick"

They called it by name, so you can't go around saying it's not the same move when they themselves admitted it is the same move.

I agree that it is executed differently but that doesn't mean it's not the same move.

Just before they removed the green glow doesn't mean it's not the same move.

But I do understand your point and I have said this before but I'll say it again.

If they do explain it later on story wise how she can do the move then I'll have no problem with it.

As long as it's a reasonable explanation.

That actually makes a lot of sense because as far as we saw she didn't shot any projectiles like Johnny Cage which might be the reason she uses guns.

Good Job, I didn't notice that at all.

At least from all the gameplay we saw of her, we never saw her shot any green energy projectiles.

P.S: Again sorry for the double post, I'm still not that great on editing on the forums.

Inherit:
receive or be left with (a situation, object, etc.) from a predecessor or former owner

One of the definitions of inherit. By definition, as Jade owns her Shadow Kick move, Kitana can indeed inherit it. How can she inherit it? We are in the world of Mortal Kombat, where anything can happen. Jade could have magically transferred her ability into Kitana, or Jade could have taught Kitana the Shadow Kick. Now that Jade is dead, Kitana is the sole owner of it.

Why can't you just accept it as a possibility?. Who's the one being close minded here?

As a user posted above, Cassie Cage has not inherited all of Johnny's powers, as seen through the dialogue between her and Raiden. She can't conjure up green energy (it'll be interesting to know why she can't).

Your example of Batman was stupid. Here's why: Batman is defined as a human, he doesn't have any super-natural abilities. That's the whole point of Batman and his point of differentiation between other superheroes. The Flash and Spider-man are humans that acquired gifts outside of human capacity. Kabal and Stryker are humans; Kabal is a human with a super-natural ability, Stryker has no super-natural ability (but of course can fight against demons and sorcerers because this is MK). Just as Nightwolf is a human, but has super-natural abilities. Jax is a human, but has super-natural abilities. Do you get it?

Look, you're missing the point. In story writing you can create whatever you want. Perhaps in another DC universe, The Flash teaches The Green Lantern his ability to run fast. But what does it mean, story-wise? Why should it happen? Does it mean anything? If the writers say, "Jade has taught Kitana her Shadow Kick move" would you still rant and say 'Oh but it's not possible because its something that only Jade can do!!"? Or would you accept that in the world of MK, nothing is impossible? And by that means, in any fiction story?

Here, in this case, Kitana inheriting Jade's Shadow kick, means something to the plot/story/character development. Jade is dead. Kitana has now her staff, boomerangs, and Shadow Kick, and will honor Jade by using her special abilities. That's a pretty amazing boost for Kitana's character development. I never said that simply because they are Edenians should they have the same moves, how did you come up with that conclusion?



Thanks. I didn't' even reply to that part because it reflects his immature behavior.

I'm not immature, I just have an allergic reaction to people with small brains.

Okay so you said Kabal has super-natural abilities therefore he can not teach Stryker what Stryker can not do right?

isn't that what you said?

Because Stryker is human he can't run super fast without having super-natural abilities?

Great then you just made my case for me.

That's what I have been saying the entire time all along.

Jade is like Kitana in the sense that they are both Edenians.

But Jade has Super-Natural abilities and one of them is the Shadow Kick which is a green force that she uses to push herself towards the opponent.

Kitana obviously doesn't have that Green Force, right?

even in the stream she doesn't have it.

Do you get the point now?

Jade is to Kitana what Batman is to The Flash.

Spiderman is Human + certain abilities.
Flash is Human + certain abilities.

Spiderman can't run super fast.

Flash can't stick to walls.

Kitana is Edenian + certain powers.
Jade is Edenian + certain powers.

Jade can't do Pixie Dust Teleport.
Kitana can't do Shadow Green moves like Shadow Kick.

Hope you got it.

I'm not close-minded as I agreed with a lot of the points made by people here.

Just because I don't agree 100% with what you say, doesn't make me close-minded...

It's actually impossible to have a significant discussion with you. You choose to ignore half of what I say, and take stupid conclusions from my posts. Now you're insulting me by saying I have a small brain? Grow up, kid.

The character "Stryker" is suppose to represent solely a human, he has no powers and that's what his character is suppose to represent. But sure, to your point, Kabal could possibly teach him to run super-fast if the developers and writers choose to go that direction for both Kabal and Stryker. Who's to say it can't happen? But what fucking sense does that make? What does it do for the story of both characters? They have no relation whatsoever. Kitana and Jade, are best fucking friends. They have lived and fought together for hundreds of years. It makes sense for something like this to happen and story-wise, it's great. It's given Kitana, the character, more purpose, and really makes Jade's death seem significant, and for once in MK, feel real. Yes the are both Edenians, are both immortal, have super-natural abilities. Jade is not what Batman is to The Flash because Jade and Kitana are on an equal spectrum, they are essentially similar. to each other in terms of powers and abilities. Batman and The Flash have absolutely nothing in common aside from the fact that they are both superheroes.

Yes, Kitana does not have any Green Shadow moves, or else why the fuck would I be having this discussion with you? It's all about the possibility that Jade has indeed given Kitana her powers, in it the ability to use her Shadow Kick. How is this possible? This is Mortal Kombat, and I keep repeating this to you because it seems you don't fully understand, that in this world anything can happen. Jade could have used magic (imagine Jade touching Kitana on her shoulder and then her transferring her Shadow Energy into her). Why do you choose to believe that Kitana cannot inherit Jade's moves or that this is somehow some far-fetched idea?