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03/02/2014 07:25 AM (UTC)
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I'm conflicted because on one had they just did a pseudo-reboot but they kind of fucked it up and killed everyone. Having a truly fresh start might do them some good without having the previous (two?) continuities hanging over their heads. They wouldn't have to worry about explaining the whole casts' resurrection or trying to fit them all on the villains side.

It could work for them. Tomb Raider definitely benefited from relatively short times between reboots.
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Spider804
03/02/2014 07:33 AM (UTC)
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I'd love an honest-to-God full on reboot, as long as they make the characters more than one dimensional idiots and punching bags.

The horror....
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Noobsmoke92
03/02/2014 10:32 AM (UTC)
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Just hire Razor to be story consultant for the reboot...Problem solved. grin
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KungLaodoesntsuck
03/02/2014 02:26 PM (UTC)
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I'd really like to see where this new story goes. It's too soon for another reboot.
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03/02/2014 02:58 PM (UTC)
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NRS needs to create new and more grueling fatalities and that is why they need ME! problem solved! glasses
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RedSumac
03/02/2014 05:36 PM (UTC)
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Fuck reboots...
I want to know what happened after the end of MK9. I liked Cyber-Sub and I don't see what logical plotholes, Razor was talking about. Most of the story makes sense and I covered wahy exactly many times before.
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03/02/2014 09:19 PM (UTC)
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I have mentioned this a lot before, but I would like to see a prequel about Edenia's war with Outworld. It's always been a side story to the main story. I would like to see it get some more attention. It gives an opportunity for new characters, arenas, and all that good stuff. We can see more of King Jerrod and a young Sindel, baby Kitana, maybe Jade's parents could be characters. Rain's backstory could be thrown in there somehow too. Tanya's story/family is involved too. There is a lot of potential if they did it right.

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03/02/2014 11:42 PM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
It could work for them. Tomb Raider definitely benefited from relatively short times between reboots.


But Tomb Raider didn't just reboot the series right after they rebooted it the first time after Crystal Dynamics took control of it.

That wouldn't make sense to have Mortal Kombat undergo yet another reboot all because the story was not that well liked by a lot of people.
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03/03/2014 04:28 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
and I covered wahy exactly many times before.


You can't just run around pretending you won arguments you didn't win when the person you had them with is STILL AROUND, dude.
Face it!
The stories and the characters are not important anymore. Ed Boon has been hanging out with Michael Bay for way too long. Death, Explosions and Shock Value.
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03/03/2014 09:48 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
But Tomb Raider didn't just reboot the series right after they rebooted it the first time after Crystal Dynamics took control of it.

That wouldn't make sense to have Mortal Kombat undergo yet another reboot all because the story was not that well liked by a lot of people.
But MK9 wasn't so much of a reboot as a sequel that did away with all the bull that accumulated during the MKDA era.
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03/03/2014 03:51 PM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
all the bull that accumulated during the MKDA era.


You mean did away with all the best parts.

The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.
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03/03/2014 05:49 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
You can't just run around pretending you won arguments you didn't win when the person you had them with is STILL AROUND, dude.

Since you was unable to present sufficient counter-arguments, I think, that my position was and is certainly stronger.
Though, of course, everyone must decide for themselves who is in the right in this situation. I stand that it's purely matter of personal preferences.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.

But they are basically not relevant anymore. At least they weren't in MK9.

Human-Sub-Zero-4-ever Wrote:
Face it!
The stories and the characters are not important anymore. Ed Boon has been hanging out with Michael Bay for way too long. Death, Explosions and Shock Value.

Just what we need - A TANTRRRRRRRRRRUM!! tongue
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03/03/2014 06:52 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
oracle Wrote:
all the bull that accumulated during the MKDA era.


You mean did away with all the best parts.

The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.


I love Shujinko.... haha.

I really think the ability to absorb and use warriors' powers is very crappy. That aside, I rather liked him. Although I feel it could have been handled far better instead of having him effortlessly top every fighter in the lore.

That was ridiculous. I still hope to see him in a healthier capacity.
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03/03/2014 08:54 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
you was unable to present sufficient counter-arguments


Ignoring a person's counter-arguments doesn't mean they didn't happen, it means you're delusional and an egotistical jerk.

I have proven on several different occasions that there are concrete logic errors and plotholes in MK9 that have nothing to do with subjective opinion and you REPEATEDLY choose to remember those past arguments wrongly so as to feel like you haven't lost and don't have to change your erroneous point of view.

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But they are basically not relevant anymore. At least they weren't in MK9.


They wouldn't have been relevant in ANY retelling of MK1 thru 3, with or without changes to the story, because they weren't IN those games.

Point being, people frequently make the claim that the reason for rebooting was to remove the unpopular elements of the 3D games from the storyline, but it didn't do that at all, those characters still exist and their plots are still on track to happen in the future, and are even directly referenced at times in MK9, making appearances in Raiden's visions and Arcade endings.

The only Post-MK3 character whose presence in canon has been retconned away is Hsu Hao, whose actions in the original story have been actively replaced by Kano.

The moment Onaga and/or the Kamidogu become plot-relevant again, Shujinko will be back...and Blaze's freedom from the egg cave will follow, with Taven's awakening soon after, because Armageddon hasn't really been prevented, only Kahn winning it has.
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03/03/2014 10:34 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.

But they are basically not relevant anymore. At least they weren't in MK9.


Uhhhh, Taven WAS in the latest Mortal Kombat game. In some of Raiden's flashbacks as well as being a background character in one of the arenas. Despite him just being in some backgrounds, he did have some relevance in the flashbacks.

And I wouldn't count out the Deadly Alliance-Armageddon characters, they have as much chance to return just like everyone else. Why we should just forget them is just plain stupid.
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03/04/2014 12:43 AM (UTC)
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I'm taking the rumors with a grain of salt... I mean why reboot it again when MK 9 ended on a freaking cliffhanger?
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03/04/2014 01:32 AM (UTC)
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Venkman28 Wrote:
I'm taking the rumors with a grain of salt... I mean why reboot it again when MK 9 ended on a freaking cliffhanger?


This^

Continue with the survivors from MK9 and the newbies from MK4-MKD. If they are just going to use the "iconic" characters per say, then it'll be CRAP!

Just my opinion.
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03/04/2014 05:03 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
oracle Wrote:
all the bull that accumulated during the MKDA era.


You mean did away with all the best parts.

The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.
Yeah. The new flop characters from MKDA/MKA and bring back the already under developed MK4 characters with even less development/horrible designs/moves/etc. All of that bull.
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03/04/2014 11:32 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
And I wouldn't count out the Deadly Alliance-Armageddon characters, they have as much chance to return just like everyone else. Why we should just forget them is just plain stupid.

I am not counting them out, that's why I wrought that they were not relevant "at least in MK9". It's just even if they are aknowledged in the MK9, it doesn't mean, that they will appear in the new timeline. And I never proposed to forget them. No need to put words in my mouth, please.

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Ignoring a person's counter-arguments doesn't mean they didn't happen, it means you're delusional and an egotistical jerk.
I have proven on several different occasions that there are concrete logic errors and plotholes in MK9 that have nothing to do with subjective opinion and you REPEATEDLY choose to remember those past arguments wrongly so as to feel like you haven't lost and don't have to change your erroneous point of view.

What nice and happy person you are. Starting conversation with the name calling and agression. Should I recommend you something to calm down your nerves, mmm? Honey? Herbal tea? Scorpions?
Besides, I just love how you talk about my supposedly faulty memory to cover the fact that you was never able to prove me wrong. Never-ever. Show me proves of your "victory", where I have admitted, that you was right and then I will agree with you. Otherwise, please, bother me no more with your faulty claims.
I guess some people ready to do anything, just to claim their victory. How sad.

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They wouldn't have been relevant in ANY retelling of MK1 thru 3, with or without changes to the story, because they weren't IN those games.

Gee...and I thought I would NOT need to explain what I meant. I guess I overestimated you.
I meant that after reboot this characters do exist in unverse, but they completely irrelevant to anything. Yes, MK9 aknowledged their existence, but it doesn't mean, that they will return and if they return it doesn't mean that they will be just as we remember them from the past games, that they will play the same roles e.t.c.

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The only Post-MK3 character whose presence in canon has been retconned away is Hsu Hao, whose actions in the original story have been actively replaced by Kano.

With the small difference, that Hsu Hao actions were after MK3 events and Kano bertrayed Special Forces well before MK1. Also, they had completely different motives.
If anything Kano's story in MK9 was based on Hsu Hao's, but it wasn't outright replaced.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The moment Onaga and/or the Kamidogu become plot-relevant again, Shujinko will be back...and Blaze's freedom from the egg cave will follow, with Taven's awakening soon after, because Armageddon hasn't really been prevented, only Kahn winning it has.

Ah. The same tired argument, that characters in new MK'verse will repeat their stories from original canon.
I thought Mileena, CyberSub and ending of MK9 should had tought people, that it is could be totally not the case...I dare say, that It is most likely will not be the case.
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03/05/2014 12:32 AM (UTC)
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As stated before, it is best to take these rumors with a grain of salt. Some things said are interesting. I think it would be more interesting to have Kiefer Sutherland voice someone like Fujin or Shinnok.

About MK9's story, for a person to like it or dislike it is one thing. But to deny that there are plotholes and overall errors doesn't make any sense. I do think that NetherRealm Studios does care about the story and the characters, hence going all-out for a full-fledged story mode. The issue for people like me is how the story-telling is done. I really hope that they get over the Idiot Plot format.
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03/05/2014 02:58 AM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
oracle Wrote:
all the bull that accumulated during the MKDA era.


You mean did away with all the best parts.

The only "bull" that's actually gone is Hsu Hao, the other stuff people didn't like, like Shujinko and Taven, still exists.


I love Shujinko.... haha.

I really think the ability to absorb and use warriors' powers is very crappy. That aside, I rather liked him. Although I feel it could have been handled far better instead of having him effortlessly top every fighter in the lore.

That was ridiculous. I still hope to see him in a healthier capacity.

I actually really liked him as well, and I liked that he learnt from a multiple of major characters over a long time-span. Hope he comes back.
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03/05/2014 03:31 AM (UTC)
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Starting conversation with the name calling and agression.


This is not the start of a conversation, it's a continuation, and you were the instigator, as usual.

RedSumac Wrote:
Show me proves of your "victory", where I have admitted, that you was right and then I will agree with you.


So according to you, you're only wrong if you admit it?

No matter how stupid you sound, you matter how bad your argument is, you can't ever lose as long as YOU never admit anything?

Do you realize how that makes you sound to other people?

I'll tell you one thing, when you say shit like that it doesn't make me feel inclined to do all the hard work for you. If you want to dig up those old arguments and remind yourself of all the different clever ways you came up with to weasel out of admitting to being wrong every time I made a point, you can do it your damn self.

Stubbornness and cowardice are NOT the path to victory in a debate. You're not an intellectual or a skilled debater, and you sure as hell have never known more about any given subject matter than me, your only actual talent is at behaving like a brick wall. And being a wall is not the same thing as being RIGHT.

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Hsu Hao actions were after MK3 events


That's incorrect.

Hsu Hao's Deadly Alliance origin established that he, in disguise as a Chinese Military-Policeman, had been helping the USSF hunt Black Dragons since before MK1. Which resulted in him being asked to join the Outerworld Investigation Agency when it was formed after MK3.

At the time Kano left for the tenth tournament, the gang was already in trouble due to the SF SUCCEEDING at hounding them, so when he disappeared into Outworld in MK2, joined Kahn alone during MK3, and never returned to Earthrealm, the loss of his leadership combined with Hsu Hao's Red Dragon intel are the REASON that by MK4, Jarek was the last BD left.

MK9's retcon that Kano was the mole this time, hurting the USSF's hunt rather than helping it, and him allying his entire gang to Kahn rather than just himself during the invasion, have resulted in the BD gang being FAR stronger than they were in the original timeline.

So he did in fact outright replace Hsu Hao.
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03/05/2014 03:52 AM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:

I have mentioned this a lot before, but I would like to see a prequel about Edenia's war with Outworld. It's always been a side story to the main story. I would like to see it get some more attention. It gives an opportunity for new characters, arenas, and all that good stuff. We can see more of King Jerrod and a young Sindel, baby Kitana, maybe Jade's parents could be characters. Rain's backstory could be thrown in there somehow too. Tanya's story/family is involved too. There is a lot of potential if they did it right.



Not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but Ed and co are not going to sacrifice a lot of the classic + regular characters like Liu Kang, Raiden, Sonya, Cage, Kung Lao, etc for a game about Edenia's past, especially at this point in the series, unless it's a side game, and even that is a long shot. The edenian characters aren't enough to carry a main MK game and make it a huge success a la MK2011.
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03/05/2014 07:09 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:
A familiar face. RazorsEdge, you probably don't remember me, I posted a lot in the 2011 threads leading up to its release.


I actually do remember you. I hadn't even realized you were gone, I thought I'd seen you still posting here and there.

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it was a heavy success sales wise and the story mode was praised a lot by reviewers.


It sold well because the gameplay was good and there was a ton of hype.

And story mode reviewed well because video game reviewers aren't like movie or book critics, they're game critics, they don't really judge how well written the scripts of games are, they judge how well animated and voice-acted the cutscenes are. And MK9 does have extremely high budget cutscenes. Most fighting games don't even have story modes, so purely by comparison and genre expectations, hours of well-made cutscenes interspersed between fights to add up to a 6-hour-or-so-long mode of play is considered impressive.


I'm aware of it Razor... But the question still remains... Why should they scrap it and "reboot" it once again if the first try was a huge success in more than one eye.

Don't get it wring... But I think Boon and Co don't give a fuck what we few poeple think about the story if the entry has been a huge success.

If they will do it... I'm open for it as long as the game is good.

But instead of some others I'm also open for a next entry for this MK2011 story, even if they HAVE TO step up their game
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