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Gillbob316
02/14/2015 06:17 PM (UTC)
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squirt007nc Wrote:
Gillbob316 Wrote:
I'd really love further refinement of the first question from "A character from MK4-MKA that's not Quan Chi" to "A character from MKDA-MKD that's not Kenshi"

Because frankly it won't suprise me at all if a couple more MK4's get tossed in. Shinnok seems the strongest bet. I pretty much wrote Reiko and Fujin's chances off the minute they appeared in the comic wearing their MKA attire... but there seem to be heavy amounts of delusion out there from people who still want them.

I feel like Kai is far too boring to show up. Tanya I'm about 50/50... Boon seems to like her, and she seems to be the second most popular MK4 character overall after Quan Chi... but we haven't seem much to support or diminish her odds. So. Like I said, 50/50.

I'm far more interested in the MKDA-MKD characters... because there are way more question marks hanging out in those rosters. Many of them, like Kai, are too lame to be included, but there are a lot of them that could be cool if they deemed them worthy enough to get a second chance.

Although I don't know where the hell this widespread impression that Sareena is a necessary character comes from. She was supposed to make her debut like... 3 games in a row and got cut because she wasn't important enough to keep. Then they finally threw her into Armageddon because they had her half done from all the previous work anyway. But some people act like she was the most important character to be added in that era. I'd love to see anyone return, but there are a dozen people I'd take over Sareena.


And there are a dozen of people id rather see than mileena.


Grr! My opinion is different than urs, so I'sa gonna make this a pissin' contest!
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creed200569
02/14/2015 06:17 PM (UTC)
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This is why we need more than 2 klassic kharacters for dlc cuz i have a feeling we wont get more than a couple 3D kharacters in the roster
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02/14/2015 06:21 PM (UTC)
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I fucking want Reiko in this game SO badly! I'd honestly take him over Fujin, although I'd love to have both.
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SwingBatta
02/14/2015 06:23 PM (UTC)
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Jesus, this is an exact duplicate of this thread.
When he says "already" I wonder if he's talking about the characters we've seen so far in the comics.....
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Lord_Greyjoy
02/14/2015 06:32 PM (UTC)
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Man, I'd be happy to see ANY character from MK4 get a revamp. I'm excited no matter who it is, except maybe Jarek.
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diirecthit
02/14/2015 06:34 PM (UTC)
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Lol @ everyone saying Reiko is a strong bet, just because he's currently being shown in the comics. If it was Tanya, or Havik, ya'll would be saying they're strong bets. Reiko is not important or a focal point to the story, he's just a character the comc writers decided to use and shown at around the time this tweet was made.
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Sockie
02/14/2015 06:37 PM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
Lol @ everyone saying Reiko is a strong bet, just because he's currently being shown in the comics. If it was Tanya, or Havik, ya'll would be saying they're strong bets. Reiko is not important or a focal point to the story, he's just a character the comc writers decided to use and shown at around the time this tweet was made.


Yeah, the comic's going to focus on a lot of characters who aren't necessarily in the game. There's also a lot of Red Dragon stuff in the comic, but I really doubt they'll be in the game.
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Lokheit
02/14/2015 06:49 PM (UTC)
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From that image my favorite one by far is Sareena, next Reiko. The rest I don't care too much for them. I hope Sareena makes the cut, there is a lot of potential with variations and her alternate form. Reiko with warth hammer and strategist variations would be cool too but my priority in hopes is Sareena :P
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Napalm1980
02/14/2015 06:54 PM (UTC)
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Shinnok and Fujin are a must for me. They must be in the game. Both have unique powers und could be important kharacter in the Story line.

Story wise Reiko is now pretty interesting. In the Comics he has an important role. I think his chances are really high to be in MKX.

I think Tanya won't make the cut along with Havik. Even if i think both should get a Chance and would benefit the most from a rework of the kharacters. But we had almost no hints for them since MKX was announced. The chances are pretty low for them.

Bo Rai Cho.. i don't know. On one side i don't like him in MKDA and MKD. He was more Slapstick then respectable. But as a leader and grandmaster he should be in - at least in the Story mode. Make him more serious NRS. Then he could be fun to Play. But i don't think he is playable. Maybe later as DLC.
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diirecthit
02/14/2015 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Napalm1980 Wrote:
Shinnok and Fujin are a must for me. They must be in the game. Both have unique powers und could be important kharacter in the Story line.

Story wise Reiko is now pretty interesting. In the Comics he has an important role. I think his chances are really high to be in MKX.

I think Tanya won't make the cut along with Havik. Even if i think both should get a Chance and would benefit the most from a rework of the kharacters. But we had almost no hints for them since MKX was announced. The chances are pretty low for them.

Bo Rai Cho.. i don't know. On one side i don't like him in MKDA and MKD. He was more Slapstick then respectable. But as a leader and grandmaster he should be in - at least in the Story mode. Make him more serious NRS. Then he could be fun to Play. But i don't think he is playable. Maybe later as DLC.


Reiko being in the comic is not a "hint". Ferra/Torr and Cage haven't been seen in the comic yet, that doesn't mean they're not in the game.
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diirecthit
02/14/2015 07:00 PM (UTC)
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Reiko is comic fodder and nothing more.
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Noobsmoke92
02/14/2015 07:06 PM (UTC)
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Reiko and Sareena make sense as there is Brotherhood of Shadows faction in the game (what about Noob Saibot now?). And I really,really wanna see Fujin and Tanya FINALLY getting their due redesign and new awesome movesets.
I honestly do think the factions give away what characters to expect...

We expect:

For White Lotus either Liu or Kai

Brotherhood either Reiko, Noob, Or Sareena

Special Forces either Sonya, Kenshi ( if thats what they're doing with him) or Jax

Lin either Frost, Smoke, Cyrax, or Sektor

Black Dragon either Jarek, Kabal, Kira, Tesia ( spell check) or Kobra
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About Me

02/14/2015 07:26 PM (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure Shinnok will be playable in this game.

Was that not his castle from MK Mythologies in the Crossroads level?

I know this doesn't confirm him, but I don't think they would put it there if it didn't play a part. The level looks to be clearly based in the Netherrealm. This is of course just my speculation.
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02/14/2015 07:35 PM (UTC)
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I would like Shinnok to be in but I honestly believe he was killed off-screen by Quan Chi, and one of his variations is based on the powers he stole from him.

Havik has a high chance as a cameo and a moderate chance to be playable, since I believe he was the one behind Forrest Fox's possession. I think he's the most requested DA-D character after Kenshi and Bo'.

Havik and Fujin are most likely the ones that are being hinted. The comic has already shown both them and hinted they might play a bigger part. Besides, Fujin has a lot of potential for the variation system and Reiko can have a mix of unique moves plus lots of Shao Khan references.

NRS has a place in its heart for Tanya, so I'm thinking DLC at least. She's the female character from the 3D era with the highest chance.
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smokeman14
02/14/2015 07:46 PM (UTC)
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I would love to see Shinnok in this game.

I just want giant skellyhands from hell to be very present in his moveset
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Gillbob316
02/14/2015 08:00 PM (UTC)
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I just want to say for the record that when I talk about MK4-MKD characters, half the ones in that image are absolutely NOT the ones I'm talking about.

A couple are.

The one thing that seems to be consistent about MK4-MKD characters is there's very little consistency to people's opinions. MOST of them have very little history or story established, beyond their first outing if any. So who people like and who people hate is largely based in the individual tastes of those people, and what kind of character YOU PERSONALLY are into...

I see so many people make blanket posts about, "These ones are obviously the good ones, the rest are trash" but the next person can completely disagree.

This is the truth of the matter, in my opinion:

MK4: Quan Chi is the stand-out that's almost universally considered "Good"

Tanya gets a little more fan momentum because of her MKD appearance and ties to the female ninjas. Shinnok gets a little more momentum as the former big bad. The rest are a complete crapshoot and a matter of personal taste.

MKDA: Kenshi is the stand-out that's almost universally considered "Good"

Bo Rai Cho gets a little extra credit because of heavy ties to the backstory of the series' chief protagonist and more face time than most. Frost gets a LITTLE extra because of that same female ninja cred as Tanya. Everyone else is a complete crapshoot and a matter of personal taste.

MKD: Havik is the stand-out that's almost universally considered "Good"

Everyone else is a complete crapshoot and a matter of personal taste. This one doesn't even get secondary picks, because there was no strong story to build any of these characters up past MKD itself. None of them ever got a second outing.

Armageddon wasn't a strong story for anyone but Taven, Daegon and Blaze, and we don't need any of them back desperately, as Armageddon didn't go over well with anyone. Blaze would have made for a fun character in MK9, as a nod to his MK2 appearance, but no one wants to see him back as a boss, or the main focus.

SO... ultimately the only ones you can make a strong case for are Quan Chi, Kenshi and Havik (and MK9 supports this). You can make a 50/50 case for Shinnok, Tanya & Bo Rai Cho. "What happened to Frost?" you might ask... well she dropped out of favor between the MKDA paragraph and now. Because that's how thin the ice she's standing on is (pun half-intended). She's really not that important or universally popular, she mostly just rides the Ninja/Lin Kuei coat tails to pseudo-popularity. And again, everyone beyond them is a complete crapshoot...

If for some reason you think someone beyond those is more favorable than the others, examine how much of that is actually real, and how much of it is your own personal bias making you delusional. The MK4 characters in particular, with this game, seem to be getting an extra-delusional kick in the ass, just based on the "Netherealm Wars" and the overlap with MK4's story. People are all of a sudden acting like Fujin, Reiko and Kai especially were popular characters? Are you kidding me? They vanished from MK4 'til MKA, came back for 10 lackluster minutes with all the other lamest characters in the series in Armageddon (most of which were from MK4, actually) then went back to being forgotten just as quickly. Let's not act like they were always strong presences or anything here.

"But that's just like, your opinion man..."

While it is my opinion, I assure you, I'm doing my best to remove my own personal bias delusion from this post and speak objectively here.

There are very few standout characters amongst the later games. Most of that is because Netherealm Studios, doesn't give half as much focus to those characters as they do the classics from MK1 and MK2, and that will probably never change. It could be argued some of them could be better characters if they got that focus (And they could! Reiko could! I admit.) BUT... thus far they haven't. And it's only wishful thinking at this point to ASSUME they finally will in MKX.

Beyond acknowledging those standouts that already exist, I'm trying to keep most of my opinions out of it.

THESE are my opinions...

(Potential for personal bias and delusion beyond this point...)

I personally hate Kenshi, but I acknowledge he's the most popular Deadly Alliance character with the community at large, and give him that nod. I personally love Nitara, but you'll notice I didn't even mention her up to this point, because I know that despite how awesome I think she is, no amount of my own personal taste is going to save her. I also actually really like Frost which may be why I gave her a slight nod, but acknowledge that she's really not that necessary at the end of the day, once you get past the fun of a female Sub-Zero.

I feel like the tale of Shujinko and Onaga will need to be addressed at some point, because it's a very big plot point from the old canon that should still be going on in the background of the new canon... but it doesn't ever NEED to be the focus again. I personally love Onaga, but I don't think he's so loved that he'll ever need to be the main antagonist again. It will likely be addressed through backstory. It will probably even play into MKX in some small capacity along the way of explaining why the Kamidogu are daggers in this canon.

I actually think the MKDA roster on the whole is one of the stronger ones, and doesn't get enough credit (Hsu Hao and Mokap not withstanding). I think MK4 and MKD are both weaker by comparison. But to each his own ultimately.

That's why it's such a crapshoot: To each his own.

None of these characters have much history. None of them have had much opportunity to endear themselves to fans. MOST of them haven't even made a second appearance that wasn't Armageddon.

And I think that plays a large part in making the MK4 and MKD rosters feel weaker than MKDA. Most of the MK4 and MKD characters never got a real followup appearance. Wheras many of the MKDA characters DID get a followup appearance in MKD, which strengthened their roll a little more and gave them a little more face time to endear themselves to the fanbase.

Why are Quan Chi and Tanya popular? Because they're good, or because they got a solid foundation in MK4, with more story built in MKDA and MKD?

Why is Kenshi popular? Why do fans acknowledge Bo Rai Cho more than others? Because they're good, or because they carried over from MKDA to MKD?

Why is MKD's cast one of the least liked and well-remembered? Because they suck, or because so far none of them have had that second chance to build into something more?

So ultimately what's my point? I dunno. A lot of people just don't seem to be separating themselves from their picks tbh... I guess.

Many of them have potential, but potential doesn't guarantee a followup appearance by a damn sight in this franchise, where MK1 and MK2 characters take 2/3rds of the roster most of the time. Too many people seem to be jumping the gun based on the handful THEY think are "the good ones"

It baffles me that some people are still 100% convinced Fujin has good odds, even though, the only sequel he ever returned in was Armageddon. He showed up in the comic wearing his MKA outfit, which seems like a kiss of death. And as if that weren't enough, he was mentioned to possibly be dead in the challenge tower info we saw recently.

Fujin's odds look god awful from where I'm standing, yet people who like him are completely convinced he'll be in.

I am under no delusions that Nitara will make it in. I heart her, but her odds are terrible.

The fans of Fujin and Reiko and Kai and Hotaru and Tremor and Ashrah and So on and So forth... need to evaluate how much of their vision is clouded by personal bias, and brace their expectations for potential disappointment. I'll be thrilled if some of these characters get that second chance they need, but I don't EXPECT it at all in most cases.
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diirecthit
02/14/2015 08:07 PM (UTC)
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How are Bo and Tanya 50/50 yet Havik is a strong possibility? Bo also had a cameo in Mk9, and Tanya was next in line for DLC, and ultimately DLC playable spot >>>>> a cameo.
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02/14/2015 08:08 PM (UTC)
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So what, no Dairou, Kobra, Kira and Hotaru?


F***.



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NickScryer
02/14/2015 08:12 PM (UTC)
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This is how I (Personally) see the select screen right now minus these MK4+ characters. It's combined using logic, hints from the "Next" trailer, already confirmed characters, seemingly major comic characters and developer hints:



Obviously, we've been told that the select screen is not final and that there is closer to 30 playable characters in the game so do you think this is potentially close and who else is left to make the cut?
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Gillbob316
02/14/2015 08:19 PM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
How are Bo and Tanya 50/50 yet Havik is a strong possibility? Bo also had a cameo in Mk9, and Tanya was next in line for DLC, and ultimately DLC playable spot >>>>> a cameo.


Because both of them are the second most popular choice of their respective rosters and Havik is the #1 most popular choice of his, and that was more or less how I chose to break the post down.

You're reading into it too hard. All five of them are on the stronger end was my point.

That said, I don't think all five of them are guaranteed by a damn sight.
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NickScryer
02/14/2015 08:20 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
So what, no Dairou, Kobra, Kira and Hotaru?


Unfortunately, I fear they may be forever lost thanks to (misplaced) negative fan reaction. sad
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mentalbreakdown
02/14/2015 08:34 PM (UTC)
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NickScryer Wrote:
This is how I (Personally) see the select screen right now minus these MK4+ characters. It's combined using logic, hints from the "Next" trailer, already confirmed characters, seemingly major comic characters and developer hints:



Obviously, we've been told that the select screen is not final and that there is closer to 30 playable characters in the game so do you think this is potentially close and who else is left to make the cut?


You forgot to add MK9's poster child, Mileena
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mkwhopper
02/14/2015 08:35 PM (UTC)
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Sareena>Havik>Everyone else

For me anyway.
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