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 •08/22/2014 09:04 PM (UTC) •
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Why isnt this thread locked yet? Its fairly offensive for a number of reasons.
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 •08/22/2014 09:13 PM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
You guys keep contradicting yourselves. Sexuality is a part of MK. Hell, look at what the women wear. There are couples, there are families, there are offspring, there are overtly sexual lines of dialogue and fatalities.

We aren't talking about making one of the bars in Pong gay. This is MK, where every character has their own wiki page filled with background information covering their looks from head to toe, their ages, where they're from, who they're related to, etc.

There is NO legitimate reason for any of you to say a character shouldn't be in MK with a mention of a same-sex love interest in their biography. The only reason you would NOT want that is because you think there's something wrong with it.

The "it doesn't matter so it shouldn't be there" excuse is bullsh!t. If that were true, all of the Kombatants would be white. Minorities would say "Hey, why aren't there any people that look like us in the game? How about some diversity?". Would you respond by telling them that you don't want a black, Latino, or Asian character in the game because it's distracting and doesn't have anything to do with a fighting game? Maybe you'd say "I have black friends, but I don't see a reason to put a black guy in MK. He'd just end up being some kind of stereotype so it'd be better to just keep everyone white. If you want to, you can pretend that some of the characters are biracial and light skinned!". Ridiculous, right? Yeah. That's how you sound.

People don't like change. I get it. It's 2014 though, people. Grow up. If it turned out that Stryker's husband showed up in MKX to avenge him - how the hell would that affect you?

If you don't have a real answer to that question, then don't bother replying.

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Ethnics are a different matter than sexual orientation.
While you can have a black character based on a martial arts stereotypes with cool metal implants, there is no point in having a gay character just for the sake of having a gay.

If his being gay is somewhat useful or meaningful to the story then I would totally be for it.

As for now your own example, no offense, a gay husband avenging Stryker 's death is bland and pathetic, not only because his homosexuality is useless and a mere gimmick in this case. And the endless "vendetta" story has grown sick, unoriginal and tiresome.

Jax was made black in mk2 because a large number of people wanted such a character. I don't see the same demand for a gay hero, not even by gay people themselves except you.

Which brings me to the next question : do you want a gay character because you can make something interesting with his sexual orientation, or you just want to fullfill your personal tantrum of having a gay hero just for the sake of having him?


Ps: and why in hell, out of the entire world, you have to pic Russia, a nation where homosexuality is almost a crime and jeopardize the reception of the game' s sales in this country, with subsequent money loss by wb ?
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 •08/22/2014 10:22 PM (UTC) •
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This thread reminds me of the ones unseenwombat used to make
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 •08/22/2014 10:41 PM (UTC) •
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When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.
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 •08/22/2014 10:48 PM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
You guys keep contradicting yourselves. Sexuality is a part of MK. Hell, look at what the women wear. There are couples, there are families, there are offspring, there are overtly sexual lines of dialogue and fatalities.

We aren't talking about making one of the bars in Pong gay. This is MK, where every character has their own wiki page filled with background information covering their looks from head to toe, their ages, where they're from, who they're related to, etc.

There is NO legitimate reason for any of you to say a character shouldn't be in MK with a mention of a same-sex love interest in their biography. The only reason you would NOT want that is because you think there's something wrong with it.

The "it doesn't matter so it shouldn't be there" excuse is bullsh!t. If that were true, all of the Kombatants would be white. Minorities would say "Hey, why aren't there any people that look like us in the game? How about some diversity?". Would you respond by telling them that you don't want a black, Latino, or Asian character in the game because it's distracting and doesn't have anything to do with a fighting game? Maybe you'd say "I have black friends, but I don't see a reason to put a black guy in MK. He'd just end up being some kind of stereotype so it'd be better to just keep everyone white. If you want to, you can pretend that some of the characters are biracial and light skinned!". Ridiculous, right? Yeah. That's how you sound.

People don't like change. I get it. It's 2014 though, people. Grow up. If it turned out that Stryker's husband showed up in MKX to avenge him - how the hell would that affect you?

If you don't have a real answer to that question, then don't bother replying.

*MIC DROP*


You are really missing the point...
JenSalMar Wrote:
When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.

Then don't read them.
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 •08/22/2014 10:52 PM (UTC) •
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Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.

Then don't read them.


But I feel I am making progress in dealing with my emotions. There was a time when this thread, and your reply would have left me in tears. But today I'm much stronger and I think I'm gonna be ok!
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•08/22/2014 10:55 PM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
You guys keep contradicting yourselves. Sexuality is a part of MK. Hell, look at what the women wear. There are couples, there are families, there are offspring, there are overtly sexual lines of dialogue and fatalities.
I mean if that's the case MK is plenty gay friendly with the army of shirtless men with rippling muscles hanging about. The way the women dress is fanservice, it's meant to appeal to the buyer not the characters.

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There is NO legitimate reason for any of you to say a character shouldn't be in MK with a mention of a same-sex love interest in their biography. The only reason you would NOT want that is because you think there's something wrong with it.
I don't think too many here have a problem with gay people or gay characters but NO character really has any romantic relationship. No one is saying a gay character can't be a non-issue but heterosexuality in MK isn't a non-issue it's non-existent. Like thisiscourage said the only canon hetero relationship was a means to an end on the devs end to create Cassie Cage. They could of course casually mention a character sexuality in their background/bio but they'd pretty much be the only character that happens for.

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The "it doesn't matter so it shouldn't be there" excuse is bullsh!t. If that were true, all of the Kombatants would be white. Minorities would say "Hey, why aren't there any people that look like us in the game? How about some diversity?". Would you respond by telling them that you don't want a black, Latino, or Asian character in the game because it's distracting and doesn't have anything to do with a fighting game? Maybe you'd say "I have black friends, but I don't see a reason to put a black guy in MK. He'd just end up being some kind of stereotype so it'd be better to just keep everyone white. If you want to, you can pretend that some of the characters are biracial and light skinned!". Ridiculous, right? Yeah. That's how you sound.
That's not how most people here sound. Yeah there are some silly and dismissive "lets add a transgender giraffe alien pig" comments but most people saying that it doesn't matter are just speaking on how romantic relationships and sexuality is currently handled in MK. It's largely ignored for ALL characters the exceptions being Kitana and Liu (and that's barely there) and Sonya and Cage (which as far as we know just means they had relations, they might not have been married or had a real relationship. Sonya probably hit and quite it tbh)

MikeyRu Wrote:
People don't like change. I get it. It's 2014 though, people. Grow up. If it turned out that Stryker's husband showed up in MKX to avenge him - how the hell would that affect you?
If you don't have a real answer to that question, then don't bother replying.
It wouldn't, not the way you think. People would be more upset that we still have something Strykerish to deal with than be upset at him having a husband.

Might as well pick that mic back up. You haven't made very much of a point.confused
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 •08/22/2014 10:56 PM (UTC) •
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JenSalMar Wrote:
Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.

Then don't read them.


But I feel I am making progress in dealing with my emotions. There was a time when this thread, and your reply would have left me in tears. But today I'm much stronger and I think I'm gonna be ok!


If you are being too emotionally invested in a forum, then this really isn't the forum for you. People on here don't care about others feelings, and some are even happy to hurt others deliberately just because of a few disagreements. If such things affect you that much you would be better off not being here. However, it is your choice, but now you know and if you are getting traumatized by being here, you can only blame yourself.
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 •08/22/2014 11:09 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.

Then don't read them.


But I feel I am making progress in dealing with my emotions. There was a time when this thread, and your reply would have left me in tears. But today I'm much stronger and I think I'm gonna be ok!


If you are being too emotionally invested in a forum, then this really isn't the forum for you. People on here don't care about others feelings, and some are even happy to hurt others willingly just because of a few disagreements. If such things affect you that much you would be better off not being here. However, it is your choice, but now you know and if you are getting traumatized by being here, you can only blame yourself.


J-R I am glad you replied because I always wanted to tell you how much I appreciate that you are one of those from this site who always managed to express himself with tact even when voicing disagreement and I really always appreciated that, it actually has helped to encourage and inspire me and I thank you for that as it's helped me through some pretty dark times. But one thing I learned in therapy is that I cant avoid forums like these or just keep my head in the sand to avoid the hurtful things ppl might say. I have to be strong and brave and accept that others have a right to their opinions even if those opinions may be mean or spiteful. And like I said I feel I am doing much better than I was 10 years ago, even if its a work in progress it's a challenge I must face and overcome and you have certainly played a role in helping me with that here so again I say thank you for that J-R, thank you, wherever you are!!
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 •08/22/2014 11:16 PM (UTC) •
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JenSalMar Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
JenSalMar Wrote:
When I decided to rejoin this site after many years away and lots of therapy, I told myself that I would not get as emotionally invested in MK or allow any of the comments made here to effect me on a personal level as some did in the past. But unfortunately there's still the occasional thread like this one that ends up being full of offensive and highly inappropriate remarks.

Then don't read them.


But I feel I am making progress in dealing with my emotions. There was a time when this thread, and your reply would have left me in tears. But today I'm much stronger and I think I'm gonna be ok!


If you are being too emotionally invested in a forum, then this really isn't the forum for you. People on here don't care about others feelings, and some are even happy to hurt others willingly just because of a few disagreements. If such things affect you that much you would be better off not being here. However, it is your choice, but now you know and if you are getting traumatized by being here, you can only blame yourself.


J-R I am glad you replied because I always wanted to tell you how much I appreciate that you are one of those from this site who always managed to express himself with tact even when voicing disagreement and I really always appreciated that, it actually has helped to encourage and inspire me and I thank you for that as it's helped me through some pretty dark times. But one thing I learned in therapy is that I cant avoid forums like these or just keep my head in the sand to avoid the hurtful things ppl might say. I have to be strong and brave and accept that others have a right to their opinions even if those opinions may be mean or spiteful. And like I said I feel I am doing much better than I was 10 years ago, even if its a work in progress it's a challenge I must face and overcome and you have certainly played a role in helping me with that here so again I say thank you for that J-R, thank you, wherever you are!!


That was a kind and very unexpected reply. Not used to see that on here. XD
You caught me offguard and now I feel awkward, but I appreciate the compliment. Anyways, let's head back on-topic...
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 •08/22/2014 11:31 PM (UTC) •
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"People would be more upset that we still have something Strykerish to deal with than be upset at him having a husband."

Then what's the frickin' problem? Why is this a debate in 2014?

If you wouldn't care about getting a character (new or old) who has a gay partner, then why on Earth would you care that it would make other people HAPPY?

Do you avoid Street Fighter, because it has a transgender character? Did you dislike The Last Of Us, for having THREE prominent gay characters (one of them being playable)? What about Mass Effect? Dragon Age? Persona? Grand Theft Auto?!

Are you going to say it's okay for those games, but not for Mortal Kombat?

Who does it hurt to have a character in MK be officially gay?
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 •08/22/2014 11:47 PM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
"People would be more upset that we still have something Strykerish to deal with than be upset at him having a husband."

Then what's the frickin' problem? Why is this a debate in 2014?

If you wouldn't care about getting a character (new or old) who has a gay partner, then why on Earth would you care that it would make other people HAPPY?

Do you avoid Street Fighter, because it has a transgender character? Did you dislike The Last Of Us, for having THREE prominent gay characters (one of them being playable)? What about Mass Effect? Dragon Age? Persona? Grand Theft Auto?!

Are you going to say it's okay for those games, but not for Mortal Kombat?

Who does it hurt to have a character in MK be officially gay?


You ask who does it hurt, by try turn it around and ask "Who does it help?". That someone in the roster is openly gay without any relevance to the story doesn't really help anyone.

In the games you listed it makes sense, because they are games which has the story as a focal point, some of them RPG's where character relationships are in focus. Mortal Kombat isn't any of those things. The story in MK is an excuse to fight, not the other way around. Why do you think that almost all characters in MK are underdeveloped story wise?

IF NRS made an RPG based on Mortal Kombat, THEN it would be cool to have the option of making your character gay, because it would make for some interesting story plots, like in Dragon Age and Mass Effect - but not in a fighting game.

Again, making a character gay just to have a gay character is simply bad reasoning. It's irrelevant. That's the part you should learn to understand.
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 •08/23/2014 12:01 AM (UTC) •
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This thread has gone down the shitter and should probably be closed. Everyone is just going in circles.
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 •08/23/2014 12:07 AM (UTC) •
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Here's what I just tweeted to Ed Boon: https://twitter.com/MikeyPanik/status/502969860310454272
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 •08/23/2014 12:07 AM (UTC) •
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SwingBatta Wrote:
This thread has gone down the shitter and should probably be closed. Everyone is just going in circles.


Every thread is what you make it to be. If you want it to be interesting and seriously discussed, then that is what you do. However, it is comments like these that make it go down the shitter, not the people who are actually taking the topic seriously and discuss the topic at hand.
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Here's what I just tweeted to Ed Boon: https://twitter.com/MikeyPanik/status/502969860310454272

You are still missing the point. Do you do that on purpose?
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 •08/23/2014 12:16 AM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
IF NRS made an RPG based on Mortal Kombat, THEN it would be cool to have the option of making your character gay, because it would make for some interesting story plots, like in Dragon Age and Mass Effect - but not in a fighting game.


Street Fighter is a fighting game.

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You ask who does it hurt, by try turn it around and ask "Who does it help?". That someone in the roster is openly gay without any relevance to the story doesn't really help anyone.


Who does it help? The LGBT community. Representation helps minorities if it's done right. Think about all of the gay kids playing MK. How AWESOME would it be for them to have a badass gay character in the game? From the perspective of an oppressed minority, it's exciting to see representation in a medium that almost completely excludes you. Is it life changing? Of course not. But it's something. It's not nothing.
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•08/23/2014 12:17 AM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
Then what's the frickin' problem? Why is this a debate in 2014?
People keep asking me this lol. And I guess I'll keep on saying......THERE ISN'T ONE. There's no debate. Most people won't have a problem with a gay character. Most people won't argue that a character shouldn't be gay in MK. I feel like you're either being willfully obtuse or you're having a different conversation than the other people in the thread.

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If you wouldn't care about getting a character (new or old) who has a gay partner, then why on Earth would you care that it would make other people HAPPY?
Where are you even getting this in particular tbh.

MikeyRu Wrote:
Do you avoid Street Fighter, because it has a transgender character? Did you dislike The Last Of Us, for having THREE prominent gay characters (one of them being playable)? What about Mass Effect? Dragon Age? Persona? Grand Theft Auto?!
I play all those. My Shepard romanced Kaiden, my Warden romanced Zevran, and my Hawke romanced Anders. Kanji and his relationship with Naoto is one of my favorite things about Persona. Poison is that shit. You're making too many assumptions about people based on if they want a gay MK character or not.

Hardly anyone would have a problem with it. At all. But the thing is it wouldn't come up because there's little to no romance in MK. The romance that is there isn't even secondary, it's an after thought. That's all people have been saying.
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 •08/23/2014 12:21 AM (UTC) •
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#miscommunication
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 •08/23/2014 12:21 AM (UTC) •
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If it is done right, yes, then it helps. However, just making a random gay character is not doing it right.

And yes, Street Fighter is a fighting game, but Eagle's and Poison's sexualities are still irrelevant and pointless to the game and its story. Eagle is gay because he is an homage to Freddie Mercury, and Poison is transgender for no other reason than for her to be that.

Yay, random characters being LGBT relevant for no other reason than to be so... How pointless.
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 •08/23/2014 12:21 AM (UTC) •
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If my comment doesn't reflect anything you've said, there's a good chance I'm not talking about you. wink
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 •08/23/2014 12:24 AM (UTC) •
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If it is done right, yes, then it helps. However, just making a random gay character is not doing it right.

And yes, Street Fighter is a fighting game, but Eagle's and Poison's sexualities are still irrelevant and pointless to the game and its story. Eagle is gay because he is an homage to Freddie Mercury, and Poison is transgender for no other reason than for her to be that.

Yay, random characters being LGBT relevant for no other reason than to be so... How pointless.


It doesn't have to have a point. Like I said we're not talking about injecting a Lifetime movie into MKX. Let's say someone's bio mentioned that their lover (who happened to be the same sex) was killed by Kotal Kahn. That's it! That's all there would have to be. I'd be happy. I know a lot of other people would be happy too. So would that be pointless, making people happy? Is it pointless just because it doesn't make YOU happy?
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 •08/23/2014 12:26 AM (UTC) •
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MikeyRu Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
If it is done right, yes, then it helps. However, just making a random gay character is not doing it right.

And yes, Street Fighter is a fighting game, but Eagle's and Poison's sexualities are still irrelevant and pointless to the game and its story. Eagle is gay because he is an homage to Freddie Mercury, and Poison is transgender for no other reason than for her to be that.

Yay, random characters being LGBT relevant for no other reason than to be so... How pointless.


It doesn't have to have a point. Like I said we're not talking about injecting a Lifetime movie into MKX. Let's say someone's bio mentioned that their lover (who happened to be the same sex) was killed by Kotal Kahn. That's it! That's all there would have to be. I'd be happy. I know a lot of other people would be happy too. So would that be pointless, making people happy? Is it pointless just because it doesn't make YOU happy?


No, it is pointless because the lover's gender doesn't matter.
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 •08/23/2014 12:28 AM (UTC) •
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The color of their skin doesn't matter either. They still make diverse characters. My point is there HAVE been characters in MK motivated by the death of loved ones. Some of the ninjas, for example (Scorpion's wife).
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The color of their skin doesn't matter either. They still make diverse characters.


Exactly! It doesn't matter. I think you are getting it now.
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