It didn't matter that Scorpion had a wife either. It added character depth though.

Actually, it did matter. Her and their son's death is what triggered Scorpion's whole reason to be in Mortal Kombat. It was story relevant. That's the difference.

OMG you're almost there. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter that it's a WIFE and not a HUSBAND. Would your world have been rocked if it was Scorpion's husband?

Why couldn't there be a character in MK who has a fleshed out backstory like Scorpion, and instead of a wife there's a husband?

Because Scorpion is the only one with a wife? Because before MKX he was the only character with ANY significant other.

I think that's fine tbh.

I think you misunderstand what I mean.
If there was to be a gay character in Mortal Kombat, I would like for it to matter that he/she is gay. What you want is to just shoe-in the sexuality of the character just to make him/her gay. That's what I dislike.

Funny that you mention Poison, since the only reason she is still showing up in games and still popular is because she's transgender, if she was a woman (born female) she would have never made it past Final fight back in the 80's. Literally THAT'S all the character's about, you will not find a single youtube video/ thread on a forum or anything where people don't mention that she was born a male. That's not what a gay/lesbian/transgender character should be about, they can be LGBT and still have a purpose. And that's not what the OP is requesting.

Why should the character's sexuality matter to the story? Why does every gay character have to have some big coming out story? A character can just BE gay. It's a trait, like having blue eyes or brown hair. Making it unimportant but still having it be there - is PROGRESS.

Also i don't know WHY you need a gay in the game just to feel identified with a character. I'm not black or dark skinned and i'm not military and i still can relate to Jax. Surely being gay is not what DEFINES you, right? If there's other reason ya'll want one more power to you, but from what i've been reading a lot of you need a gay character that's relatable when you can relate to many other characters for many other reasons.

Why point it out just for the sake of pointing it out? I think that's disgusting. You don't see in ANY of the character bios that their sexuality is pointed out unless it is relevant. It's not like in e.g. Kano's bio it says "Kano is the leader of the terrorist organization called Black Dragon who deals weapons to Shao Kahn, emperor of Outworld. Oh, and by the way, he is straight." That's just POINTLESS! Just like it would be pointless to say "He is gay." in his bio, if that was the case.

That's not progress!

OMG, I'm not suggesting they put "he is gay" in someone's bio. You're taking everything I'm saying out of context and twisting it.

I'm saying why can't someone have a bio like Scorpion's, and instead of a wife have it be a husband? Why is that DISGUSTING to you?

You don't care if characters like Liu, Kitana, Johnny, Sonya, Scorpion, Sindel, etc are incidentally straight in the canon of the series, but if someone is going to be gay, it requires some big grand groundbreaking motive? Are you kidding me?

Who says Scorpion can't be cheating on his wife with a dude?

Throwing that out there...

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if it needs to be mentioned that someone is gay, then it should be relevant or else there is no need to mention it. Alot of the already established characters could be gay already, but because it isn't relevant to mention it, it hasn't been mentioned.

For all we know, Kano could actually be gay. So could Jax, Smoke, Jade, Sektor, Cyrax, Nitara, Kabal, Reiko, Noob, Quan Chi, Li Mei, Raiden, Shinnok, Hotaru, Havik etc etc etc... but their sexuality doesn't matter, as it has no relevance to their story. There is no mention of them being gay, just as there is no mention of them being straight. Why? Because it doesn't matter and it would be pointless to mention it.

Don't get me wrong though. I wouldn't mind having gay characters to be in Mortal Kombat. I'm gay myself. But I don't wear a sign over my head where it says "I am gay", because my sexuality doesn't matter to others. Just like others' sexuality doesn't matter to me.

So if I am to tell someone that I am gay, it is because it is relevant for that person to know this piece of information about me. You don't see people walk around announcing "Hey, I'm straight" either, unless there's a reason behind it, do you?

Giving a character a relationship to someone is adding depth. It's not pointless to do that. Mortal Kombat isn't just Yellow Ninja vs Blue Ninja. People care about the stories.

Only if that relationship is relevant to the plot.

So yippee, Hotaru has a wife... so what? Does it matter that he has a wife? Not really. His story has nothing to do with him having a wife. So why should we have this piece of information. Oh right, we don't, because it ISN'T RELEVANT!

Scorpion had a wife and a son. They were murdered by the Lin Kuei (or so he thinks). DING!!! Suddenly it is relevant that Scorpion has a wife and son, because it is what triggers his whole reason to be in MK, as I have already mentioned! THAT is how you make a character's relationship matter.

Sure, you could change that to be Scorpion's husband being killed instead of wife... but why? Just to make Scorpion gay instead of straight? It wouldn't change Scorpion's story, it would still be someone he loved dearly who got killed which triggers the reason he is in MK. That's not what my issue is with it. My issue with it is that your reasoning is "just to have a gay character in the game"... That is what irks me.

That's correct. I don't know why you're telling me that, but yes, that's correct.

Are you suggesting that most people look at other people's sexual orientation as "unknown"? Because I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. Most people assume just about everyone they know is straight. Straight is the default. There's no reason for a straight person to announce they're straight with "Hey I'm straight!", they already do that EVERY DAY in casual conversations (whether talking about someone they like, talking about their husband or wife, etc). They don't have to hide anything because they're the norm.

Are you being thick just because you want to argue, or what?

I don't just want them to be gay. I want them to be an awesome, interesting character who is important to the plot of the series. And they just happen to be gay, like Jax just happens to be black.

See, this is now that I will stop discussing with you. There was no reason for you to make a personal insult like that, and if you feel you need to make such comments in order to make yourself feel better, then you're not worth my attention.

MK is about blood, conquest and revenge. This is what people care about. MK generally is not about love or (loving and functional) relationships.

As I said before, creating character whose sole point is that he / she gay is rather tasteless. It's artificial and forced. Besides, how you gonna do this without creating a stereotype? You know, the little something that people generally try to go away from?

"You are still missing the point. Do you do that on purpose?"

You can dish it, but you can't take it? And very well. We both know where we stand. You're gay, and you think we should keep it in the bedroom unless it's a need to know situation. I'm gay, and I don't care who knows I'm gay and I'm proud to be out in a world that condemns me for being who I am.

*sigh*
I hate it when someone suddenly takes the discussion personal when it isn't. Especially when they start retorting to insults and pretend they know me, just to try and lure me back into the discussion.

Well, MikeyRu... do you feel better now that you've made these personal remarks about me? Do you feel you're a better person than me now? Have you gained some kind of satisfaction or sense of victory?

Because insinuating I'm unintelligent and throwing around words like disgusting isn't offensive...

Mhm.

There's more than a little sexual tension between Scorpion and Sub-Zero lol

LOL.

I feel like that particular person suffers from a severe lack of self-awareness.

For the sake of this thread, I will PM you on the matter.

As for the main topic, I think it best to just agree to disagree.