A revised version of this:



With a little editing it could be good. I'm looking to draw a concept for here one of these days, because I cant find exactly how I want her to look. But I liked the MKvsDC version.

I want her to look like the Sonya from Queve's sign and avatar.

I think that's the best Sonya by far! Give her some new cool features with that and i'm best friends with her.

I also love that look to minus the underwear and replace them with some cool cargo shorts and a sexier look and I'm sold!

hella yea

Way to hit the nail on the head. That's just about perfect.

Alt should be closer to her MKSM & MK3 looks combined...sorta like this (click the picture):



Or visa versa...

I love that green tinged pic... except her face... It's shallow of me, but I want her hot ^_^

I like the shirt she's wearing in it... has a few hints of her top from MK3 whilst appearing "realistic" which I love :)

I agree with most people here: MK4 + MKvsDC would be glorious.



A mixture of specific elements inspired by both of those designs would totally work for Sonya. It's her at her best. MK4 Sonya is pretty much MK3 Kerri Hoskins + Bridgtte Wilson, so, nothing can go wrong there.

Its now been revealed that the blond bombshell is wearing some kind of vest for this new game, so, hopefully that look will work out wonderfully for her primary costume. We will have to wait to see what's the design all about.

This would be my main ideas for her OVERALL design:

* Futuristic top similar in fashion to her MK4 look but fresh and new.
* Tight pants (or shorts) decorated with small yet fabulous SF accessories.
* SF accessories: Gun, knife, and futuristic/fake artifacts.
* Bands and straps decorating her body like in MKvsDC.
* Futuristic and awesome MKvsDC gloves.
* Sexy exaggerated bangs.
* Revealed midsection/waist.
* Long pony tail.
* Huge kick ass boots.
* Belly Piercing, please!!
* Her thong would be happily welcomed.

This wold be my main ideas for EXTRAS or ALTERNATE Possibilities:

* The MK4 hat.
* Her cool MKDA/MKSM Jacket (but with sleek and tight sleeves, not big and heavy like in MKDA).
* Lara Croft-like shorts (but not that short!).
* A head-band.
* Sleek tight costume that covers her from neck to toe (arms included). Decorated with cool design and an original style. For a better idea, check this out (but picture it with her arms covered as well):



As for her new vest/look in this game: I expect it to look cool and decorated. Not plain and super simple (unless it works well). We've already been shown a small glimpse of how she will look and in that little picture you can clearly see MK3/MK4 Sonya and even MKvsDC (the sexy bangs, mostly).

Also, just have to quote Leo because he pretty much nailed most of my thoughts:



Brilliant and perfect post.

BTW, I agree regarding her breasts. They look nice and all but I hope they don't go as far as making them look like mountains. They are already big enough in MKvsDC and they were HUGE in MKSM. That's as big as they should ever get, lol.



MKvsDC Sonya is most definitely the best Sonya by far.

Hopefully this game will make her even better. An awesome look inspired by MKvsDC and a combination of her classic style (MK4 or even MKDA) could work wonders.

EDIT: That Jill Valentine outfit is amazing and she looks gorgeous, however, I do not want Sonya to look 100% like that. It's simply "too realistic. I don't mind borrowing certain elements from that military costume, but, not everything. I rather have her keep that "futuristic" theme of hers from MK4 and MKvsDC.

Well...here's some fan art I did of Sonya a while back. I was inspired by Proce's designs, but wanted something that made more sense for the character and stuck to the canon better, so, y'know, no tattoos or ridiculous armor, actual pants...I added the little Special Forces logo she had on her shirt in the MK1 comic.



That was for a theoretical remake of just MK1 though. For something a little more MK3-ish, I'd change the hairstyle to a long ponytail, give her a green beret, add dog tags (I dunno how I forgot them for this pic, I should go back and add them in), maybe change the pants to black with olive or camo stripes down the legs, and the top from MK4.

Also, I like the idea of her ring toss as a wrist-mounted sonic weapon. The one in the picture there's got wires hanging out because it's a prototype. I'd clean the design of it up for MK3. Maybe put a gun in one of those holsters, too. I left them empty in the pic on the grounds that Shang would've confiscated her guns at the island.

Sonya from MK4 of course!! Without TOO many updates!! I`m not crazy about the vest. I would love for the hat to return though (the alt costume can do without the hat, just like MK4), not a beret, please!

Also I`m not crazy about long bangs, MK3 bangs should be ok, if any. I like it when the users describe her costume as LOGICAL, since to me it makes sense to keep it simple and functional.

DEFINITELY NOT SKANKY! We have enough T&A showing thanks to Mileena and Kitana (*sob! When did they become like this?!)

I loved her accesories belt from MK4 as well, and the arm/wrist bands.

Maybe they can tweak a few details here and there, but not stray too far from MK4 Sonya. They could always do a very extremely different outfift for the alternate costume (NOT SKANKY PLZ!!).

Oh, a long, THICK, femenine ponytail is a MUST!! Not that thin, fake-looking one from MK/DC. For the alt they can always use shorter hair if they want to.

Oohhh I can`t wait for a render of her!!!

BTW, has anyone EVER seen her concept design from MK4?? I`ve been curious about it for YEARS!

That's really a wonderful picture! Great job Razors! I really like the outfit and your style. I wouldn't mind seeing something like this for DLC for nostalgia purposes. It's lovely.

I must say, though, that my eyes narrowed in suspicion and then in a very evil-ish way when I saw her wrist. Oh. You. I knew you would do something like this, lol.

LMAO. It was actually the first thing that captured my attention and I smiled about it. Reminds me of our intense conversations.

We'll always disagree with that. Maybe the wrist-thing can be for her "Armed Forces" fire ball while her Energy Rings can come from her Chi. lol.

Anyway, I would definitely add the long pony tail and spice up her pants as well. I don't really mind the camo style but I rather see something more futuristic and unique for her.



Two things we can definitely agree on are her MK4 look and her not looking skanky at all.

I'm actually a big fan of the bangs and I definitely want to see big updates and details on her costume. Her MK4 look was perfect for back then, but, with all the creative possibilities of today, it would simply be sinful not to spice her up to her full advantage.

I understand logical and functional, but, that doesn't need to be applied 100% in her character.

Here's my problem. With Sonya, there seems to be this flawed logic that being covered up and looking like a soldier (which means being too realistic while showing skin and other things means making them look cool and MK-ish. It's just really silly and illogical. I'm well aware that Mortal Kombat is just a video game series and that's it's fiction, but at the end of the day, Sonya is a soldier in the U.S. Army.

She doesn't have to dress exactly the way soldiers do in real life, but at least look the part, not a spoof like we've seen with Sonya in the previous games. Resident Evil is just a video game series as well, but Capcom still manages to make Jill Valentine look (and act) like someone that can be taken seriously. Why can't (and shouldn't) NetherRealm Studios do the same?

There's also this flawed logic that realistic = dull, boring, and non-MK-ish. I wouldn't want this series to go to either extreme of ultra-realism or ultra-fantasy. For Sonya, she doesn't need to dress exactly the way a soldier in the U.S. Army does, but a good bit of resemblance would be nice.

I don't necessarily mind the bangs for Sonya, but I don't like the way they were done in MK vs. DC. As for the thong, belly button, and showing the midsection, no. This game is supposed to be dark, gritty, and serious. I can understand for a character like Mileena to be showing more skin, but if they're trying to go for a serious route, they're going to have to do better with Sonya. What's worse is that to do so, it doesn't take much effort.

Buzzkill much?

If she dressed like Jill, I would be bored by it to be honest. This isn't a "serious" game played out in a realistic setting (well... as realistic as resident evil can be with all the zombies).... It's a fantasy world fighting tournament.
You know how in lots of "preparation for fighting" scenes in movies, they might tear their clothes, put on a handband, take off the things they don't need or what have you, I always imagined much the same for Sonya and Jax.
I mean, Jax isn't wearing his shirt, right? Who's to say he didn't take it off when he entered his first match in MK2?
Who's to say in, for example, Shaolin Monks, Sonya didn't have a more standard issue shirt that she took off for comfort to replace with the midriff shirt.
It's like... if it was a guy in a tank top, nobody would say "that's not standard issue for the army". It's just an affectation to give the idea of military, but also to set them apart or whatnot. Sonya needs the same

And remember, strictly speaking, she's not in the regular army. She's in a fictional version of the Special Forces, and later the OIA. Perhaps in the MK world they're far more independent and less uniform (like GI Joe or something)

I really want to see this if they bring her back i love old school. out with the new in with the old haha. as a old school sonya fan i would love this costume with a passion lol.

I have my criticisms of Jax's outfits, but I wanted to focus on Sonya since this thread is about her outfits. I know that MK is fantasy, but like I said, I don't want the series to go to either extreme of ultra-realism or ultra-fantasy. Having a realistic base with fantasy elements added is the way to go, imo.

What I should have mentioned in my previous post is that she could have an alternate costume that is much more casual. Sonya in a tank top is fine but no showing of the midsection. She doesn't need to have that to look sexy. When taking part in the tournament, she doesn't have to wear the army uniform. At the same time, don't make it ridiculous by going for the aerobics outfit or showing a thong and belly button.

I argued that Resident Evil is fantasy too, but Capcom doesn't have Jill Valentine's soldier uniform showing her midsection with a thong and a belly button.

The Special Forces is a division in the U.S. Army. There should still be a sense of consistency in terms of outfits to show affiliation in the same group. That could even go as far as the fictional OIA.

For her soldier outfit, it could be like her MK4 outfit but covering her mid section and maybe have her MK: Shaolin Monks jacket. I imagine that would be easy to do, and I would be satisfied. But I don't want to see them go back into the direction of her MK vs. DC costume. I know queve and others like it, but it was lackluster, imo.

am i the only one who likes her old look o.O

MK vs DC body with a more female face

But it HAS the realistic base. She doesn't wear heels, she has military gear. THe only thing from say, her DC outfit that is criticizable is her tummy... which I think is alright cos it's lessend by the sleeves and lack of uber cleavage, and maybe the uber long fringe.

The thing about the MK Special Forces.... it's established it's not the REAL special forces. Sonya wouldn't be IN it if it were the real one. So it seems to be an outside element, so i forgive the non regulation colour schemes or what not... and her tummy. That's the only thing "sexy" about her and to be honest I'm not bothered at all. I guess that's what alternates are for ;)
Her MK4 outfit seemed perfect to me. That amount of belly just sort of seemed like her being economical in her clothes for better movement. Didn't phase me (that outfit is hawt made me fall for her)

Resident Evil is fantasy, but it's far more serious than MK has ever been... and you're forgetting... Resident Evil DOES put it's characters in crazy outfits... even Jill... have you ever played 3? The boob tube and the skirt... hawt. (i'm just teasing, that had a reason)

And you can't really complain about the aerobics leotard that's from the time long forgotten ;) where they weren't thinking straight..... about several things -_-

Hehe

I don't get this "flawed logic" message that you write about. It's not like we are saying that we disapprove of reality and that realistic immediately equals boring. It's not like that.

There are more levels and layers to that than just a "black and white" perspective or opinion of what realistic should be and how much of it there should be. And there is also the fact that personal tastes play a role in individual preferences.

Sonya looks and acts the part of military good enough. She is a believable warrior whether you think she dresses appropriate for a USA soldier or not.

I don't need her to be changed into your typical soldier who controls herself before rushing into things or who isn't hot-headed, sarcastic, or impulsive. That's part of her charm! That's part of what she's been known to be loved for. I don't need her to be "more professional" with her attitude or outfit to prove that she is an actual professional because she has already proven that she is. Simple.

I also don't need her to cover up her mid-section in order to "be taken seriously". That''s just silly because it's seriously not a big deal. It's not like she is SF soldier fighting in a bikini with tons of make up on her face. Showing her mid-section has been a trademark of her look since day 1...it's not a big deal. I'm very glad its stayed this way till this day. It's sexy. It's fun. It's Sonya.

Dressing her in a more realistic-military looking outfit or keeping her with a futuristic approach won't make any difference on how most people perceive her. She is already a serious character. Dressing her up in a bag in similar fashion to ordinary realistic soldiers (or Jill) is just going to shut down most of her charm.

She is not shooting Zombies in Africa in Resident Evil. She is fighting supernatural sorceress and demons using Martial Arts as her primary weapon in MK. She looks fun, believable, serious, and interesting. If she can pull it off well, that's what's important.



Pretty much my opinion in essence (regarding the whole "realistic" discussion).



Which I think it's an important point. A pretty well grounded realistic base. Had it been a combination of a Bikini and a army Jacket with camo shorts and high heel leather boots.....yeah, I'd be speaking up against it.

So far, so good for Sonya (imo, of course).



I like that classic look too, but, the only way I'd like to see it return is as an extra extra alternate costume as a special treat for the fans. You see, I much rather see a new and more serious awesome costume designed for her for an alternate than have this again.

Maybe as special DLC? Yes. But, if its going to be a choice/decision between: 1) her MK3 costume and 2) a whole new look (slightly inspired by her classic looks), I choose #2.

And my issue with that is...MK1 is a martial arts tournament.

She may have arrived at the island in full fatigues, but if the guards are taking away her weapons, locking up her men, and forcing her to stand in a sand pit and kung fu fight, she's gonna have to do something reasonable like take off the goddamn jacket and fight in her undershirt.

Nobody can ever make me believe the clothes a solder wears for shooting rifles from foxholes in a warzone are comfortable or practical for a martial arts competition.
Now if you wanna talk about how she dresses in all the later games, that's different. One assumes she would want to load up with heavy weapons and body armor to take on Motaro's elimination squads, unless of course she's come to the conclusion that Earthly weapons are near-useless against the thick hides of Kahn's monsters and the rest of the supernatural, and decided to rely on her fighting skills and chi. In which case, again, dressing for a fist fight comes first.
Besides, the Mortal Kombat version of the Special Forces is more like G.I. Joe. You think anyone tells Snake Eyes to put on something with more earth tones and giant pockets?

I think her primary costume should be something more akin to a police uniform rather than a military outfit. If this is a retelling of MK1-3, than Sonya should still be an officer, on the verge of catching Kano at the first Mortal Kombat tournament right? So shouldn't her outfit be more police and less army? She should have some riot gear or something. Some black or blue pants, a tactical vest/t-shirt, gloves, combat boots, cap, etc. There's no real reason for her to be military until at least after MK3 when she and Jax actually establish the Outworld Investigation Agency.

Ummm she was Special Forces... she was never a cop

Nope.




Mini- Rant ensuing...

I pretty much agree with Sub-Zero7th. I'm a long time Sonya fan myself and I always wondered why they'd present her with such a prestigious rank in the U.S. military, and then almost slut her out consistently for over 17 years now...

Do many of us here even know that there isn't a such thing as a woman in the real United States Special Forces? Like... that department is just a "boys only club". So, if Sonya is that awesome, she must have consistently done, or experienced some pretty extraordinary things in order for her to even be allowed in that facet of the military. Let alone becoming one of the highest ranking officers in that career path.

It definitely is a wonder that she is that great. Which btw, is one of the reasons I've always liked her. At the same time, I'm the fan who has been waiting for them to clarify what her extraordinary story must've been to get her in that specific facet of the US military to begin with.(side note: if you've seen the movie "Blood: Last Vampire", what the teenage military brat [Alice McKee] experiences in that movie kinda mirrors what I would expect from Sonya's back story. It is "fantastic" enough and it's as real as it needs to be in order to be convincing.).

A moment of clarity... Since she is that special, and I appreciate the fact that this is a game that has a realism about it that is serious enough to make her believable, but a fantasy element in it to make her assent up into the SF possible.... then 1+1 should = 2. She did something to make the members of that unit believe that she is "special" enough + y'have to be a certain way in order to accomplish what she has = she should look like it for goodness sakes. Which leads me to believe...

She should be designed with the intent to prove that her serious element and her fantasy element are both legit declarations of her character. I don't think we need to forget about paying homage to the older games, but design is open to whatever the concept says it can be. Sonya's concept says this to me:

"I can be a high ranking member of an unspoken of facet of the military.. I can even do stuff like temporarily fly, and throw what seem like magical rings out of my wrist (among other things)....But hey, even if I am a woman in uniform, I can still be sexy as hell!"

And so it should be possible for them to design her with the intent to respect her story element and the type of character that they have presented to us. Her design should also never forget that; "Hey dude, this is a video game, we can get away with a few liberties here because of how present the fantasy element is..."

And so...

I'm not saying she should only ever appear as Jill does, no. What I'm saying is that she should be a believable representation of what her character says she is. Thongs, mid-section showing, and belly buttons? Nope...not from the Special Forces. Not even from the military at all. Tank-top, some sort of halter-top, or that shit green t-shirt they wear with a jacket can and has worked before though.

So, even though I'm in love with the Kerri Hoskins design of MK3...that ain't right. Even though I really like the MKSM design...that's closer but it still ain't right (not even for an off duty officer). Even though I liked some of the things they did with the MKvsDC costume....it--ain't--right.

My opinion is: She should be designed like a soldier... and then consider the fantasy element....and then don't forget about sex appeal and paing homage to her old designs. To me, Sonya's the one who teases at the notion of sex appeal the whole time, but never gives you a good look. Therefor, there's no need for her to be designed overtly sexy...

Women in uniform are sexy. Sonya's a fit gal... that's sexy. She can kick your ass... THAT's fuggin' sexy. lol Just make sure to get her bangs and her face feminine enough and she's good. So for now, I'm happy to see that for this game...they got her exactly right. So far anyway...

Ha! No complaints at all....just yet.

/mini - rant

PS: (sorry for closing that previous thread btw. doing my job and all that...)

Well, Sonya was already a Special Forces Agent before MK1 even began, so, it does make sense for her to be military.

However, I do dig your suggestions regarding an outfit that resembles more a police officer/agent. Reminds me of this beautiful fan art inspired by her MKvsDC look:



And this one, which I think I posted before:





I most definitely want to see some official backstory on this matter.

* How in the world did she join the USA Special Forces?
* Why was she accepted?
* Do her high ranks have something to do with her unique abilities?
* Why did she pursue this career?

I want some serious and deep answers on these kind of "small matters". It's this kind of attention to details that really adds that spark to characters and stories.

I'm hoping that some justice is done with Sonya's background and future. This should also include information regarding the whole Kano-hate, her obsession against criminal organizations, her lover and/or brother and/or partner loss, etc., but that shouldn't be the only things to her (her relationship with Johnny, Jax, Raiden, etc).



Agreed.



Absolutely!



While I really disagree with your opinion about her MK:SM and MKvsDC designs "not being fitting" for her character (specially the big No-no you gave to her trademark mid-section, which we all love), I do think you have some very good, valid, and fair points that make sense. Plus, I do love the way you expressed your thoughts on them.



Well said and totally true.

And we can be certain that the MKTeam knows this as well. What better prove then this little cute tease they gave us in MKDA?



They also had a sketch or two of Sonya fighting only in her thong.........something that we pray they never ever do. It just doesn't suit her character at all. She is known for her modesty and respectable outfits (thongs and big boobs included), so, hopefully they will keep her that way. Forever.

ThePredator151 put it very nicely. Sonya should dress and act in a believable manner. Looking back, I think that costume-wise, her MK: Shaolin Monks outfit is her best, but it still could have used some slight modifications to make it look better.

To samuhai: You might think that Sonya's MK vs. DC outfit has a realistic base, but it actually doesn't. They go for the sex appeal for and tack military-esque elements onto it. You said that the only thing from her MK vs. DC outfit that is "criticizable" is her tummy, which is definitely not true. Her top is ridiculous, and her gloves could be shorter, just down to the wrists.

You said that Resident Evil is far more serious than MK has ever been, which is kind of funny, because the Resident Evil series also has its sense of humor and cheesy elements. I'm not talking about Jill's Resident Evil 3 costume. And besides, wasn't she wearing civilian clothing in that game? The series is still not that realistic. I mean, you have them fighting someone like Wesker, a genetically-engineered superhuman who is so fast that it looks like he's teleporting.

Anyway, at the very least, have her MK4 costume as a base mixed in her with a bit longer version of her MK: Shaolin Monks jacket and with a top that actually covers her belly. Add some fitting gear like a radio and she'll be just fine. It's very simple, and it shouldn't take much effort. I thought I had already mentioned this.

To queve:



If you're talking about in real life, it's not so much a matter of opinion. It's really more a matter of facts. If Sonya truly looks and acts the part of a soldier well enough, please explain The_Truth's thread about the representation of characters like Sonya and Jax. Also, this quote is contradicted by your following quote:



Even though this thread really isn't about the way Sonya acts, her hot-headed, impulsive behavior contradicts your claim that she acts the part of a soldier well enough. Like ThePredator151 said, it would be imagined that she would have to be really special to get into the Special Forces. We should see that in the way she presents herself.

You claim that Sonya has proven to be an actual professional, but some of the things she's done in the games show otherwise, such as charging at Goro in MK: Shaolin Monks' intro, only to get bitch-slapped by him. However, those things are for another topic since this is really about her costumes.



You may not think it's silly, but since she is a soldier, she should dress like one, not a mockery. Since you love her MK vs. DC look so much, they might as well have her fighting in a bikini. Just add a beret and ta-da, she's a "believable" soldier, because she's tough!

Like I said before, you could just have one costume that has her MK4 look as a base but modified to give her a more believable look while appealing to the "fantasy" side of things.



That's your opinion, but when it comes to looking "believable" and "serious", tell that to people like The_Truth. Please tell me what is "believable" about the overall look of Sonya's costumes such as her MK vs. DC costume?

It's not as if Sonya has to dress just like Jill Valentine, but her costumes could learn from that example.

To RazorsEdge701: That's why I suggested an alternate costume idea that is more casual for that sort of thing. You could either have her with a tank top or a shirt. It doesn't have to be anything particularly fancy. It can just be simple and straightforward. So basically, you have one formal costume and one casual costume.

I'm drawing Sonya at the moment, the way I personally thought she looked her best.


Realism is fine but if it gets in the way of aesthetics it can fuck right off.