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The outfit was khaki. Green goes with it perfectly fine.
Maybe you're a poor judge.
Maybe you're a poor judge.


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Well, the major thing I have against the dress uniform (aside from the fact that it's completely off in regards to color and...pretty much everything else) is that it's a dress uniform. People may say how fighting with tactical gear or whatever would be unpractical or whatever but I can definitely tell you fighitng in Class As would suck X10 more. You may not want to fight with body armor or extra gear but I can assure you it's better than fighting in a glorified business suit.
It's just not logical to me. I think it was largely excepted just for the simple fact that it was skin tight thus showing off Sonya's body. I think that's just what the whole conversation boils down to is that people aren't willing to give up the T&A.
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
It's just not logical to me. I think it was largely excepted just for the simple fact that it was skin tight thus showing off Sonya's body. I think that's just what the whole conversation boils down to is that people aren't willing to give up the T&A.
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The outfit was khaki. Green goes with it perfectly fine.
Maybe you're a poor judge.
The outfit was khaki. Green goes with it perfectly fine.
Maybe you're a poor judge.
It apparently doesn't, as several people have commented on it :P
That green, or at least, that hat, in that green, with that outfit didn't sit right. Not to mention the rest of it.
The rest of my comment was clearly facetious.


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samuhai Wrote:
several people have commented on it
several people have commented on it
Where was this, now?
samuhai Wrote:
The rest of my comment was clearly facetious.
The rest of my comment was clearly facetious.
Well jokes are usually funny, so that's probably why I couldn't tell. But don't feel bad about it, no one else around here is very good at it either.


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Anyway, here is what I was talking about in regards to Leona.
I think it's a simple and effective design. It definitely conveys that she is a mercenary but also is personalized and toned down enough to be functional for hand to hand fighting. As if she was wearing more but removed any excess clothes to accomodate what she's doing...kind of like what we've been discussing.
I think she looks great and I think it would work as a solid base to make a good Sonya costume. Add in elements from the RE5 Jill outfit like the hat/head set, perhaps a pistol leg drop or something. Perhaps instead of all black (though it works, like in the first MK movie) you could give her ACU pattern pants.
Just some thoughts.

I think it's a simple and effective design. It definitely conveys that she is a mercenary but also is personalized and toned down enough to be functional for hand to hand fighting. As if she was wearing more but removed any excess clothes to accomodate what she's doing...kind of like what we've been discussing.
I think she looks great and I think it would work as a solid base to make a good Sonya costume. Add in elements from the RE5 Jill outfit like the hat/head set, perhaps a pistol leg drop or something. Perhaps instead of all black (though it works, like in the first MK movie) you could give her ACU pattern pants.
Just some thoughts.
The_Truth Wrote:
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
Which sides? Why only 2? Let's say there are "two sides", and you aim for a middleground. You're going to nonplus both sides.
I think the "dress uniform" is great. It's badass and glamorous at the same time. The great thing about having alternate outfits is that you don't have to pick it. With alts it's a good idea to have something a bit removed from the other outfit, otherwise it's kind of redundant.
Sonya's default outfit in both MK vs DC and in MK:DA is, to my eyes, more or less what you describe as wanting.
ThePredator151 Wrote:
I think I see what you're saying Queve. On a futuristic woman soldier, the designs are ALOT more sleek and are notably more revealing.
For some okay examples, you're looking at folks like:
1. Skarlet from GI Joe
2. Jessica Beil from Blade Trinity
3. UltraViolet
4. Aeon Flux.
Is that about right?
I think I see what you're saying Queve. On a futuristic woman soldier, the designs are ALOT more sleek and are notably more revealing.
For some okay examples, you're looking at folks like:
1. Skarlet from GI Joe
2. Jessica Beil from Blade Trinity
3. UltraViolet
4. Aeon Flux.
Is that about right?
I guess those examples essentially make the point, but, they are definitely not the best looking ones out there. They really don't do justice to the "Futuristic Sonya" vision. Even so, I think those designs do fit the view of a "futuristic woman soldier". Agreed.
ThePredator151 Wrote:
My question at that point though, is don't you think those sorts of designs conflict with MK's timeline? I mean, I know MK has some futuristic qualities in it (along with all the other unrealistic stuff). But, Sonya is pretty much a modern day....maybe a few years in the future kind of soldier.
She started out in MK1 as this really basic woman soldier model//dream-girl aerobics teacher, but with magic. Her character, and her designs have become more seriously toned, and more realistically based than the designs from MK1-3.
My question at that point though, is don't you think those sorts of designs conflict with MK's timeline? I mean, I know MK has some futuristic qualities in it (along with all the other unrealistic stuff). But, Sonya is pretty much a modern day....maybe a few years in the future kind of soldier.
She started out in MK1 as this really basic woman soldier model//dream-girl aerobics teacher, but with magic. Her character, and her designs have become more seriously toned, and more realistically based than the designs from MK1-3.
I really don't think they conflict at all. We also have to remember that she and Jax founded the OIA. This Organization has developed super-technology and has its basic inspiration on the military. So, with the powers to create portals to travel through different worlds, I just don't see how sporting those kind of "futuristic solider" attires conflicts with "todays timeline" vision of a Military group or soldiers. I think the OIA is a pretty futuristic situation, overall.
MK's military group is just not any kind of modern Earth-military group. I like it like that and that's why I don't have a problem with Sonya dressing more "fantasy-like" than dressing more realistically (Jill Valentine's fashion).
However, I would like to repeat that I probably wouldn't mind a similar "Jill Valentine" design as long as it's futuristic enough to make Sonya look more like an "advanced-alien" Agent than a regular soldier. Does this make sense?
I mean, Jax's incredible design in MKvsDC is most definitely what I'd call a "Futuristic Soldier" approach and it's one that flawlessly made its way around his SF/soldier career as well as fitting his "I am a human from Earth" background. No?
It doesn't look ridiculous. It certainly doesn't look "out of place" for the MK world. And it certainly gives the basic vibe of "military" or "soldier". To the few people looking for a more realistic modern-day military approach, yes, his design is probably not Military enough (side note: when his new look for this game was revealed, I must say I was (and I still am) quite disappointed. I have hopes for a glorious MKvsDC-style alternate though).
ThePredator151 Wrote:
So, I feel curious to ask; What kind of soldier is Sonya to you? Try to paint me a picture of how you see her if you would please. I'm pretty interested.
So, I feel curious to ask; What kind of soldier is Sonya to you? Try to paint me a picture of how you see her if you would please. I'm pretty interested.
Absolutely!
I feel like I will sound repetitive answering this question (because my answer is pretty much the thoughts I wrote above), but, I'll formulate my thoughts again anyway.
What kind of soldier is Sonya?
I guess my one (and short) answer is that I view Sonya as a "Futuristic soldier". She happens to be part of the military from todays world, yet, she is also a special agent that manages super-technology that really doesn't seem like its part of today's modern-day military. Even though she is "military", she is mostly Sonya Blade.
Who is Sonya Blade?
I guess the basics are all still there: She is a leader, a guide, and a warrior. She is in front of the line of a top organization that protects the world from "alien" invasions or inside-super threats. She is military based and she is military trained.
However, Sonya is not your traditional Lt. or your traditional ordinary "always in control" soldier. She is impulsive and hot-headed and pretty much doesn't mind throwing her opinion to you like a big fat slap on the face. After that, she will probably ask the questions.
I'm definitely going to try to find some nice pictures of what I can see Sonya wearing to give a better idea of "the kind of soldier I think she is".
Overall, Sonya's got the soldier and military experience, training, and professionalism, but more than just a soldier, she is a character of emotions, personality and charisma. I'm not saying that the traditional soldiers are plain boring robots with 0 personality, I'm just pointing out that Sonya's emotions are a bigger part of "who she is" than her "Special Forces / OIA" agent title.
Does this make since?
I hope this was the answer you were looking for. I probably misunderstood the question. Feel free to correct me, please!
EDIT: This are just a few examples of the kind of soldier I vision Sonya to be (more later):




tonytrash Wrote:
queve i totally agree. totally wrong for boneya
queve i totally agree. totally wrong for boneya
I love how you say "Boneya" to refer to Sonya. It sounds cute, but I just have to ask: what does it mean? Why do you call her "boneya"?
The_Truth Wrote:
Just out of curiosity why are people so willing to accept Sonya's alternate from DA/A? That's a dress uniform (i.e. special occasions, social gatherings) and not even a good looking one at that. You could argue about Sonya's usual primary outfits but I don't think anybody can really argue for that one. Would a RE5-Jill like outfit be so uncalled for to be either a primary or alternate to a "traditional" Sonya look?
Just out of curiosity why are people so willing to accept Sonya's alternate from DA/A? That's a dress uniform (i.e. special occasions, social gatherings) and not even a good looking one at that. You could argue about Sonya's usual primary outfits but I don't think anybody can really argue for that one. Would a RE5-Jill like outfit be so uncalled for to be either a primary or alternate to a "traditional" Sonya look?
I think that the fact that it was an "alternate" made it more easy to accept. We discovered this new outfit long after her primary was pretty much shoved down our throats.
This isn't Sonya's "trademark" or "main design". It definitely makes a point and serves the purpose of what an alternate costume can (or should) be. But, having her "primary" outfit as "the main image" of what Sonya is and represents was the key.
That's how I feel anyways. Does it make sense?
Also, the very elegant and tight/sleek look of that Sonya alternate costume is far more appealing than a bulky, heavy, over-packed soldier outfit like the one of Lt. Strokes from F.E.A.R. However, if she would had sported a few cool elements from Strokes design, I do agree it would had been much better.
A RE5-Jill like outfit definitely wouldn't be uncalled for as an alternate look, not to me. However, I firmly believe that it should be altered into a more "futuristic" design.
That outfit is fine for RE, but, for MK I would definitely:
* Make her more sleek looking.
* Take out *some* of that heavy material around her body.
* Make that jacket and top far more detailed and interesting.
* Make the gloves as awesome as they were in MKvsDC.
* Add something a bit more "unique" to the design of her pants (they are fine though, that's just an extra thing i'd personally love to see.
So, this is fine as long as its spiced up and modified to feel more "futuristic":

But, this is a billion times better:


That's how I visualize Sonya.
@ Predator: I'll be showing you a few more pics of how I visualize Sonya later. But, I think that the ones I've posted pretty much show the main essential idea.
The_Truth Wrote:
Again, I bring up the Sonya's appearance in the first MK movie as an example of not only having both but of making both work well.
I think perhaps a good middle ground to be what Leona Heidern has been wearing as of recently in the newer King of Fighters games. Small, tight black tank top (but not skin tight), small black gloves, functional black cargo pants with a bandoleer of 40mm grenades around the waist, and with combat boots. Granted Leona is part of a mercenary organization so she could honestly dress how she wants.
I'm going to work on throwing up an example picture/animation of Leona tonight but it's a bit tricky with these darn MWR computers over here. =/
Again, I bring up the Sonya's appearance in the first MK movie as an example of not only having both but of making both work well.
I think perhaps a good middle ground to be what Leona Heidern has been wearing as of recently in the newer King of Fighters games. Small, tight black tank top (but not skin tight), small black gloves, functional black cargo pants with a bandoleer of 40mm grenades around the waist, and with combat boots. Granted Leona is part of a mercenary organization so she could honestly dress how she wants.
I'm going to work on throwing up an example picture/animation of Leona tonight but it's a bit tricky with these darn MWR computers over here. =/
Leona Heidern and Sonya from the first MK movie are good examples, in essence. Both look well and make a point. However, I think that for them "to work well" in the game, they definitely need a lot more to them than what they have. As a base to go from they are OK, but, not enough or the main design I'd like to see.
For Sonya Blade, some of Leona's look's could be fine with a few sleek/skin-tight modifications:


Some...not so much (at all):

The_Truth Wrote:
Well, the major thing I have against the dress uniform (aside from the fact that it's completely off in regards to color and...pretty much everything else) is that it's a dress uniform. People may say how fighting with tactical gear or whatever would be unpractical or whatever but I can definitely tell you fighitng in Class As would suck X10 more. You may not want to fight with body armor or extra gear but I can assure you it's better than fighting in a glorified business suit.
It's just not logical to me. I think it was largely excepted just for the simple fact that it was skin tight thus showing off Sonya's body. I think that's just what the whole conversation boils down to is that people aren't willing to give up the T&A.
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
Well, the major thing I have against the dress uniform (aside from the fact that it's completely off in regards to color and...pretty much everything else) is that it's a dress uniform. People may say how fighting with tactical gear or whatever would be unpractical or whatever but I can definitely tell you fighitng in Class As would suck X10 more. You may not want to fight with body armor or extra gear but I can assure you it's better than fighting in a glorified business suit.
It's just not logical to me. I think it was largely excepted just for the simple fact that it was skin tight thus showing off Sonya's body. I think that's just what the whole conversation boils down to is that people aren't willing to give up the T&A.
I don't blame anybody if that's the case but you can appeal to both sides. Other games and other fighters have done it.
I actually think the whole point of that uniform was to show off what Sonya is and what she represents. Making it skin tight was definitely part of a goal (to accentuate her sexiness or whatever) because thats also part of what Sonya's been about, after all.
Thing is: 1) we had a key primary costume and 2) in this alternate she looked elegant and quite "flexible" on it. She didn't look heavy or big (as in, sporting too much). I think thats why its been generally accepted. Had it been the only thing we'd had seen, I would had been very disappointed.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Where was this, now?
Well jokes are usually funny, so that's probably why I couldn't tell. But don't feel bad about it, no one else around here is very good at it either.
samuhai Wrote:
several people have commented on it
several people have commented on it
Where was this, now?
samuhai Wrote:
The rest of my comment was clearly facetious.
The rest of my comment was clearly facetious.
Well jokes are usually funny, so that's probably why I couldn't tell. But don't feel bad about it, no one else around here is very good at it either.
At least one other person in this thread, and I've seen it in others.
My being facetious isn't a "joke". There's a difference between being facile, and cracking a joke :P
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Her MK1. I think everyone should revert back to their original costume(maybe just like a little suped up like what they did with sub and scorpion). At least as their alts.
Aw I've gotta disagree with you on the RE5 - Jill outfit ... I think that'd look terrible for Sonya. I only forgave it for Jill 'cos she was being controlled by Wesker and was an experiment at the time...
Wayyy too much of a departure from her normal look (minus the hair) and just TOO sci-fi-ey for me (when it comes to Sonya anyway). From what we've seen, I don't think she'd wear that... In terms of practicality or aesthetic. Plus I think it'd look cheestastic among the rest of the characters...
MK4 FTW!!
Wayyy too much of a departure from her normal look (minus the hair) and just TOO sci-fi-ey for me (when it comes to Sonya anyway). From what we've seen, I don't think she'd wear that... In terms of practicality or aesthetic. Plus I think it'd look cheestastic among the rest of the characters...
MK4 FTW!!


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I just want Sonya to look less manly than the MK:DA-MK:DC versions. I'd like her to look like an athletic female not a bloke. Her MK3,4&SM costumes were the best IMO. So anything based around them would be good. Her face looks much better in the select screen pic.


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Erg...the "battlesuit" costume for Jill is something I'm really uneasy with but for different reasons. It's just when I see Jill looking like that I just can't help but once again think about how Capcom straight up ripped off Nina Williams from Tekken.
However I definitely think it could work with some modifications. First a new color scheme would have to be done up. Incorporate more black and any kind of camo (ACU, multicam, MARPAT, woodland, etc.) in strategic places. Say for instance have the top portion be mostly black but have a camo pattern on certain areas of the body mostly the legs.
Have any of you played the older or hell even the current Splinter Cell games? The gear that Third Echelon has their operators use I could see working. That gear is not only sleek and futuristic but it's also practical. I'll try to find some pictures at some point of Archer and Kestrel to show what I'm talking about...but again it's kind of difficult to do so over here. >_>
Actually maybe an easier (and better) example might be some of the gear and outfits worn by the Joes in G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. Would that be an acceptable middle ground? EDIT: I already see somebody already made the connection. Teach me to not read other posts, ha.
Again the main issue with me is practicality. "It's just a game," ok, I got it. Understood. But when I look at a costume I just think to myself "Why are they wearing this?" I think the problem is a lot of people just can't let go of those old super hero inspired costumes that ran rampant in the 90s. Putting skin tight spandex outfits or leotards on a pretty girl will always win points but would they really even consider wearing something like that? Probably not, but then again I'm not an MK character so I couldn't say.
Again I'll try to get some pictures up but it will have to be later.
However I definitely think it could work with some modifications. First a new color scheme would have to be done up. Incorporate more black and any kind of camo (ACU, multicam, MARPAT, woodland, etc.) in strategic places. Say for instance have the top portion be mostly black but have a camo pattern on certain areas of the body mostly the legs.
Have any of you played the older or hell even the current Splinter Cell games? The gear that Third Echelon has their operators use I could see working. That gear is not only sleek and futuristic but it's also practical. I'll try to find some pictures at some point of Archer and Kestrel to show what I'm talking about...but again it's kind of difficult to do so over here. >_>
Actually maybe an easier (and better) example might be some of the gear and outfits worn by the Joes in G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. Would that be an acceptable middle ground? EDIT: I already see somebody already made the connection. Teach me to not read other posts, ha.
Again the main issue with me is practicality. "It's just a game," ok, I got it. Understood. But when I look at a costume I just think to myself "Why are they wearing this?" I think the problem is a lot of people just can't let go of those old super hero inspired costumes that ran rampant in the 90s. Putting skin tight spandex outfits or leotards on a pretty girl will always win points but would they really even consider wearing something like that? Probably not, but then again I'm not an MK character so I couldn't say.
Again I'll try to get some pictures up but it will have to be later.
Wow...Part 3 of my bible-lenght responses (I'm loving all these thoughts, discussions, and ideas):
Samuhai's response to your post pretty much nails everything I would have said (and had yet to say!). He even gives you the answers to the discussions we've been having about Sonya (including your new post). Anyway...
I'm pretty sure she doesn't lack self discipline as bad as you make it sound considering she is in the SF, after all.
However, I'm also sure she's probably one of the feisty ones within her group. Sonya could actually be a kind of troublemaker (so to say 'cause I can't find the right word at the moment), but, she manages to get away with it because she's got that special thing that has gotten her to where she is in the first place.
Her powers? Her exceptional combat skills? Accomplishments as a top soldier that we haven't even had the luck to hear about?
Being "tough" didn't even cross my mind when I was reading this part of your quote. I was thinking more on the lines of her being an exceptional fighter who happens to play with energy rings, magic-fire, fire balls, defies gravity, and oh, she is a chosen one who's helped save the world more than once.
I too agree that there should had been a sense of logic in there. I also agree with you that it would had been great to see a deeper development with everyone in MK's Konquest.
But, do you honestly think that the MK Team/Midway were thinking about covering up their characters in case they might be cold? They were lazy and unprofessional enough not to deliver bios among other important things, you think they would had even care about giving Sonya a warm attire for the cold?
Hopefully, NRS and WB will address this kind of issues which are details that definitely make a game even better and more lovable.
And this is bad how, exactly? How is this negative?
You have many people happy with Sonya one side (fan or not) and you have some people not that happy with Sonya on the other side (fan or not). That's just the way things are.
If a majority is OK and happy with Sonya being the way she is there have to be very good reasons. It means that the overall combination of what Sonya Blade is is definitely working.
Is she perfect? No. Is there room for improvement? Yes. Is she doing well? Absolutely.
I repeat, if I felt like they were screwing up her character I would be the #1 complainer because she is my favorite. Again, if Sonya needed that much correction I feel like there would had been tons of discussions on the matter ages ago.
Samuhai elaborated a great response towards this part (grounding in reality). Much better than I would have. His thoughts are my thoughts exactly and I agree with that vision.
Also, I 100% agree with you on Stryker and Jax. I actually want to see Sonya on a suit in similar fashion to that one.
BTW, these pictures that I posted are pretty much the vision I have of Sonya (SF soldier AND OIA special agent):
Of course not exactly the same, but, the key things here are her style and the theme. That's what I sensed from Sonya in MK4, MKDA, and MKvsDC...but mostly MKvsDC and MK4.
What do you think?
A more simple and less crazy approach is this one, which I also love:
I'd change a few things here and there, but, overall, it's pretty much a great idea for Sonya.
And at the same time, I have no problems with this direction:
They all scream Sonya Blade and they make her look serious and believable enough. IMO.
I didn't have a problem with the MK3-MKT gloves or the MKDA gloves from back then...but I probably would today.
After seeing those amazingly cool gloves in MKvsDC, I expect her to have something just as awesome or better. Period.
I don't want her to go back to the simple traditional gloves of the past. Those are prehistoric looking when compared with the awesome gloves she has in MKvsDC.
I will be seriously disappointed if her gloves don't look as cool as in MKvsDC (and from the look of that small leaked picture, it looks like they might not
)
Also, you mention practicality, but to me that is a pointless debate or discussion. For us to indicate or assume "how comfortable or uncomfortable a character feels with that X costume or with those X accessories" is just not going to take us anywhere.
Sonya is wearing those futuristic gloves as if they were regular every-day gloves and she is still kicking serious butt with them. How can they not. be comfortable? How can they not make sense for her?
If they were uncomfortable for her, she's made me believe otherwise. Also, if they truly were that uncomfortable, I just don't think she would be wearing them in the first place.
So, I'm curious, besides the top, what other big issues do you have with her costume? Like Samuhai said, she has a pretty solid ground base on realism. It seems to me that if Sonya were to cover up her tummy in all her latests appearances you really wouldn't be this opposed to how she looks in general.
Would her long bangs around her face be a problem as well? Because as unrealistic as it is for a soldier to wear her hair like that in battle, it looks fucking fabulous on Sonya.
Sorry, but just because the gloves are not of your taste they don't make her any less believable or like a fake. It's fine if you don't think they look that great, but, just because they aren't your traditional looking soldier gloves doesn't mean she doesn't look the part. She does.
Those things create portals to travel around the worlds for Gods-sake. They look believable enough and cool. What a treat!
Not really.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
It would be lovely. I agree.
Add a few cool looking things here and there to spice it up and you definitely have a winner.
No need for Lt. Stroke abominations, please.
I loved that too. She sort of does it in MkvsDC, no? I think it's very similar actually.
Samuhai, I couldn't have said it better myself.
100% Agreed.
Sonya herself has awarded you her very own "Sonya Approves!" stamp.
Lovely to hear we agree. That's the style and theme in which I'd dress Sonya. She's got it going on in the last games, but, not as crazy futuristic as this.
BTW, what do you think of those fan art Sonya costumes above (the one in green and the one in red)? Costume wise for Sonya, does it fit your vision, or not?
Pictures would be great.
While I understand your issues with "practicality", I definitely think its important not to make a big deal out of it. If we start to question it as much, there really would be nothing left to enjoy or be pleased about.
Does Mileena look practical to me? No. But, she can make me believe otherwise after seeing her in action.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To samuhai: I don’t think I can agree that Resident Evil is necessarily more serious than MK, but I will somewhat agree that Resident Evil is more realistic than MK in the sense that it’s set in the real world aside from the stuff with zombies and other monsters.
However, the argument that “MK is fantasy” is still a lousy excuse to not want to have Sonya dress according to her role as a soldier in the U.S. Army.
You continue to argue that aside from her tummy that Sonya’s MK vs. DC costume is perfectly valid. Please explain. You mention some of the fantasy elements, but again, that’s not a good excuse to have Sonya dress the way she does. Why would she remove her jacket and shirt in the heat of combat, even in a fictional setting for a story?
To samuhai: I don’t think I can agree that Resident Evil is necessarily more serious than MK, but I will somewhat agree that Resident Evil is more realistic than MK in the sense that it’s set in the real world aside from the stuff with zombies and other monsters.
However, the argument that “MK is fantasy” is still a lousy excuse to not want to have Sonya dress according to her role as a soldier in the U.S. Army.
You continue to argue that aside from her tummy that Sonya’s MK vs. DC costume is perfectly valid. Please explain. You mention some of the fantasy elements, but again, that’s not a good excuse to have Sonya dress the way she does. Why would she remove her jacket and shirt in the heat of combat, even in a fictional setting for a story?
Samuhai's response to your post pretty much nails everything I would have said (and had yet to say!). He even gives you the answers to the discussions we've been having about Sonya (including your new post). Anyway...
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To queve:
I find that hard to believe if she lacks a good sense of self-discipline. That’s why the Red Dragon could have really been a great opponent for her even though that bit fell flat thanks to what happened in MK: Deception.
To queve:
Even with her hot-headed, impulsive behavior, and tough (and sometimes difficult) attitude she was accepted. She's that special.
I find that hard to believe if she lacks a good sense of self-discipline. That’s why the Red Dragon could have really been a great opponent for her even though that bit fell flat thanks to what happened in MK: Deception.
I'm pretty sure she doesn't lack self discipline as bad as you make it sound considering she is in the SF, after all.
However, I'm also sure she's probably one of the feisty ones within her group. Sonya could actually be a kind of troublemaker (so to say 'cause I can't find the right word at the moment), but, she manages to get away with it because she's got that special thing that has gotten her to where she is in the first place.
Her powers? Her exceptional combat skills? Accomplishments as a top soldier that we haven't even had the luck to hear about?
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
That’s not what I meant. She's not completely awful, but she could still do better anyway. Show why she's special enough to be in the Special Forces division of the U.S. Army, not simply because she's "tough".
You make it sound like always misbehaves or like she always does whatever she wants without a plan and without paying attention.
That’s not what I meant. She's not completely awful, but she could still do better anyway. Show why she's special enough to be in the Special Forces division of the U.S. Army, not simply because she's "tough".
Being "tough" didn't even cross my mind when I was reading this part of your quote. I was thinking more on the lines of her being an exceptional fighter who happens to play with energy rings, magic-fire, fire balls, defies gravity, and oh, she is a chosen one who's helped save the world more than once.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Charging at him like that was stupid, but yeah, it was a minor thing. From a story perspective, I would have liked to have seen the kind of stuff that was shown in the MK2 comic book.
That stuff is for a different kind of thread, but to briefly address those issues here, you have to admit that there's no real logic there. Even though this is in a fictional setting, there should be some sense of believability, but I digress...
What was she supposed to do in MKSM intro to make it more believable anyway? What did she do that was so different from the rest of the fighters in that part of the intro?
Does she really deserve to be spanked for being a bad girl and charging at Goro?
Sure, it would had been glorious to see the Team spend a whole extra minute just on Sonya analyzing the situation and probably sending a distress signal, or, I don't know, something more "professional" I guess.
Does she really deserve to be spanked for being a bad girl and charging at Goro?
Sure, it would had been glorious to see the Team spend a whole extra minute just on Sonya analyzing the situation and probably sending a distress signal, or, I don't know, something more "professional" I guess.
Charging at him like that was stupid, but yeah, it was a minor thing. From a story perspective, I would have liked to have seen the kind of stuff that was shown in the MK2 comic book.
I mention those because from what I've read, these 2 things instantly make her less professional.
That stuff is for a different kind of thread, but to briefly address those issues here, you have to admit that there's no real logic there. Even though this is in a fictional setting, there should be some sense of believability, but I digress...
I too agree that there should had been a sense of logic in there. I also agree with you that it would had been great to see a deeper development with everyone in MK's Konquest.
But, do you honestly think that the MK Team/Midway were thinking about covering up their characters in case they might be cold? They were lazy and unprofessional enough not to deliver bios among other important things, you think they would had even care about giving Sonya a warm attire for the cold?
Hopefully, NRS and WB will address this kind of issues which are details that definitely make a game even better and more lovable.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
It's very simple. Sonya fans like you are content with the lack of realism with her design and play the "MK is fantasy" card.
There's a reason why you don't have tons of users complaining about this subject. It's no where near that point. Not even close. Sure some people like The_truth, Pred, and you disagree, but from the looks of it most people (a majority) doesn't.
It's very simple. Sonya fans like you are content with the lack of realism with her design and play the "MK is fantasy" card.
And this is bad how, exactly? How is this negative?
You have many people happy with Sonya one side (fan or not) and you have some people not that happy with Sonya on the other side (fan or not). That's just the way things are.
If a majority is OK and happy with Sonya being the way she is there have to be very good reasons. It means that the overall combination of what Sonya Blade is is definitely working.
Is she perfect? No. Is there room for improvement? Yes. Is she doing well? Absolutely.
I repeat, if I felt like they were screwing up her character I would be the #1 complainer because she is my favorite. Again, if Sonya needed that much correction I feel like there would had been tons of discussions on the matter ages ago.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:We all know that MK is just a video game series with many fantasy elements, but I don't see why there can't be a good grounding in reality while still appealing to the fantasy elements. With Jax's MK vs. DC outfit and Stryker's MK: Armageddon outfits, at least those are steps in the right direction.
Samuhai elaborated a great response towards this part (grounding in reality). Much better than I would have. His thoughts are my thoughts exactly and I agree with that vision.
Also, I 100% agree with you on Stryker and Jax. I actually want to see Sonya on a suit in similar fashion to that one.
BTW, these pictures that I posted are pretty much the vision I have of Sonya (SF soldier AND OIA special agent):


Of course not exactly the same, but, the key things here are her style and the theme. That's what I sensed from Sonya in MK4, MKDA, and MKvsDC...but mostly MKvsDC and MK4.
What do you think?
A more simple and less crazy approach is this one, which I also love:

I'd change a few things here and there, but, overall, it's pretty much a great idea for Sonya.
And at the same time, I have no problems with this direction:

They all scream Sonya Blade and they make her look serious and believable enough. IMO.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
The length of the gloves is a minor thing, especially compared to the bigger issue with her top. Having short gloves would work better for her in terms of practicality. I don't remember the specifics, but it was something The_Truth brought up in another thread. But hey, what about her gloves from MK3-MKT? Those were short, and you don't have a problem with them, do you?
Buddy, I can totally take your opinion on her top, but, to criticize the gloves sounds like you just want to criticize, and period.
The length of the gloves is a minor thing, especially compared to the bigger issue with her top. Having short gloves would work better for her in terms of practicality. I don't remember the specifics, but it was something The_Truth brought up in another thread. But hey, what about her gloves from MK3-MKT? Those were short, and you don't have a problem with them, do you?
I didn't have a problem with the MK3-MKT gloves or the MKDA gloves from back then...but I probably would today.
After seeing those amazingly cool gloves in MKvsDC, I expect her to have something just as awesome or better. Period.
I don't want her to go back to the simple traditional gloves of the past. Those are prehistoric looking when compared with the awesome gloves she has in MKvsDC.
I will be seriously disappointed if her gloves don't look as cool as in MKvsDC (and from the look of that small leaked picture, it looks like they might not
Also, you mention practicality, but to me that is a pointless debate or discussion. For us to indicate or assume "how comfortable or uncomfortable a character feels with that X costume or with those X accessories" is just not going to take us anywhere.
Sonya is wearing those futuristic gloves as if they were regular every-day gloves and she is still kicking serious butt with them. How can they not. be comfortable? How can they not make sense for her?
If they were uncomfortable for her, she's made me believe otherwise. Also, if they truly were that uncomfortable, I just don't think she would be wearing them in the first place.
So, I'm curious, besides the top, what other big issues do you have with her costume? Like Samuhai said, she has a pretty solid ground base on realism. It seems to me that if Sonya were to cover up her tummy in all her latests appearances you really wouldn't be this opposed to how she looks in general.
Would her long bangs around her face be a problem as well? Because as unrealistic as it is for a soldier to wear her hair like that in battle, it looks fucking fabulous on Sonya.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I really don't think it's such an "awesome" design, but to each his own. Sonya is a soldier, and that's part of her character. At least make her dress the part to look believable, not a mock outfit.
To sacrifice such awesome design for the sake of realism or for the sake of suiting the fashion of "a real soldier" is exactly why I'm happy she is not a copy/paste of your typical soldier or what you expect from her.
I really don't think it's such an "awesome" design, but to each his own. Sonya is a soldier, and that's part of her character. At least make her dress the part to look believable, not a mock outfit.
Sorry, but just because the gloves are not of your taste they don't make her any less believable or like a fake. It's fine if you don't think they look that great, but, just because they aren't your traditional looking soldier gloves doesn't mean she doesn't look the part. She does.
Those things create portals to travel around the worlds for Gods-sake. They look believable enough and cool. What a treat!
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
The reason why you feel that way is due to a misconception that the outfit is one that would negatively affect Sonya's speed and flexibility.
Anyway, Lt. Strokes is exactly the way I would never want to see Sonya in MK. I'm not saying the outfit is bad or ugly, however, it is quite bulky, heavy, and it looks like it would be impossible to deliver an awesome acrobatic attack on that thing. It is bad for MK.
The reason why you feel that way is due to a misconception that the outfit is one that would negatively affect Sonya's speed and flexibility.
Not really.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
But hey, The_Truth brought up something I wanted to bring up before. However, due to work, I've been busy, so he beat me to the punch. Why not have Sonya's formal uniform be derived from her look in the first MK movie? Wouldn't that be nice?
But hey, The_Truth brought up something I wanted to bring up before. However, due to work, I've been busy, so he beat me to the punch. Why not have Sonya's formal uniform be derived from her look in the first MK movie? Wouldn't that be nice?
It would be lovely. I agree.
Add a few cool looking things here and there to spice it up and you definitely have a winner.
No need for Lt. Stroke abominations, please.
tonytrash Wrote:
I wonder if she will still say "NOOB AH DE NOOB AH DE NOOB AH DE BAH!!!" when she does her bicycle kick.
i wish they would bring back the screaming from MK2-MK3. loved that.
I wonder if she will still say "NOOB AH DE NOOB AH DE NOOB AH DE BAH!!!" when she does her bicycle kick.
i wish they would bring back the screaming from MK2-MK3. loved that.
I loved that too. She sort of does it in MkvsDC, no? I think it's very similar actually.
samuhai Wrote:
Because, as I've said before, the Special Forces clearly from what we have seen isn't "just the US military". It's a completely fictional secret agent-y version, entirely distinct from its real world counterpart... so any kind of comparison is mute (i.e we can't assume that she would have to wear camo in her uniform... because we don't know the specifics of everything the SF get up to)
She HAS a grounding in reality. Combat boots, Tight, durable pants that give her plenty of give for her acrobatics. A standard issue uniform hat (I prefer the MK4 hat to the DC beret personally), a uniform style undershirt. The only thing that seems to be missing is something covering her belly. That's ALL. Like I said, she easily could have shucked her jacket or shirt elsewhere, like she did in the MK movie, for whatever reason. It got caught, it got hot. There's any number of story reasons why she might not have her jacket or a more "formal" shirt, if you need to have one.
The shirt she wears in DC doesn't bother me in the slightest. It clearly looks like something she would wear in a hand to hand fight. It's similar to things I've seen real martial arts women wearing, so why wouldn't Sonya? Like I said, the SF seem to be a GI-Joe, independent and individualistic military unit. They have personal idiosyncracies and I just don't have a problem with a bit of midriff. It could be shorter, yes, but I'm really not fussed.
What exactly is the problem with her outfit? I get the midriff and I can understand the bangs... but what about her boots? Her pants? Her hat? Her little holstery things over her shoulders? What about the actual material of her shirt? If that shirt was just a plain T and covered her tummy would you have a problem with that? Like I said, it just looks like a standard issue undershirt with a bit of a fantasy detailing...
As for the other pictures in the thread, that chick from FEAR... Sonya doesn't need body armor. She doesn't need padding and she definitely doesn't need bulky. Not for the aesthetics of the game, and not for the practicality of the character. She's not in a gunfight, she's in a martial arts tournament against medieval style fighters. Not machine guns.
There IS realism to Sonya. There's as much realism to her as there is to any of the characters in these situations so I still fail to see the big.
And speaking of Resident Evil, what do you think of Sheva's default top in RE5? It's design seems fairly non-standard as well, but again it doesn't bother me. There comes a point in a game like MK or RE where you say "okay, our military chick isn't wearing high heels. SHe's not in a mini skirt. Let's give her something a little fun and sexy". And that's all I think her midriff is. A bit of sexy, and a bit of fun.
It's a tiny thing in the scheme of things.
MK is not a 100 percent accurate interpretation of anything. it depends greatly on individual character design, and I'm sorry, but I honestly would be bored of a Jill-style outfit for her in like... 10 plays. We see that sort of thing all the time and I just don't think it's necessary for the aesthetic and ideas of what these games are.
It's okay to have a bit of sexy, it's okay to have a bit of crazy, and it's okay to let your military characters have some individual style, without being identical drones. Realistically, Jax and Sonya should dress exactly the same. But they're in the MK Special Forces. They get quirks, they get something individual, and they're in situations farrrrr removed from a generic battlefield. I really don't think Sonya would care for "modesty" or military mores when battling invading hordes.
There's realism, and there's exaggeration, mixed together. That's my favourite kind of character design. Like I said earlier, their outfits aren't just a literal interpretation of what they wear... there's also a degree of character needed in their clothes. An exposed midriff and some lighthearted sexy doesn't negate that (I actually quite liked that in VS DC she wasn't wearing a g string, but had tan lines for it... suggests something about her off duty...)
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To samuhai:....
To queve:........
To samuhai:....
To queve:........
Because, as I've said before, the Special Forces clearly from what we have seen isn't "just the US military". It's a completely fictional secret agent-y version, entirely distinct from its real world counterpart... so any kind of comparison is mute (i.e we can't assume that she would have to wear camo in her uniform... because we don't know the specifics of everything the SF get up to)
She HAS a grounding in reality. Combat boots, Tight, durable pants that give her plenty of give for her acrobatics. A standard issue uniform hat (I prefer the MK4 hat to the DC beret personally), a uniform style undershirt. The only thing that seems to be missing is something covering her belly. That's ALL. Like I said, she easily could have shucked her jacket or shirt elsewhere, like she did in the MK movie, for whatever reason. It got caught, it got hot. There's any number of story reasons why she might not have her jacket or a more "formal" shirt, if you need to have one.
The shirt she wears in DC doesn't bother me in the slightest. It clearly looks like something she would wear in a hand to hand fight. It's similar to things I've seen real martial arts women wearing, so why wouldn't Sonya? Like I said, the SF seem to be a GI-Joe, independent and individualistic military unit. They have personal idiosyncracies and I just don't have a problem with a bit of midriff. It could be shorter, yes, but I'm really not fussed.
What exactly is the problem with her outfit? I get the midriff and I can understand the bangs... but what about her boots? Her pants? Her hat? Her little holstery things over her shoulders? What about the actual material of her shirt? If that shirt was just a plain T and covered her tummy would you have a problem with that? Like I said, it just looks like a standard issue undershirt with a bit of a fantasy detailing...
As for the other pictures in the thread, that chick from FEAR... Sonya doesn't need body armor. She doesn't need padding and she definitely doesn't need bulky. Not for the aesthetics of the game, and not for the practicality of the character. She's not in a gunfight, she's in a martial arts tournament against medieval style fighters. Not machine guns.
There IS realism to Sonya. There's as much realism to her as there is to any of the characters in these situations so I still fail to see the big.
And speaking of Resident Evil, what do you think of Sheva's default top in RE5? It's design seems fairly non-standard as well, but again it doesn't bother me. There comes a point in a game like MK or RE where you say "okay, our military chick isn't wearing high heels. SHe's not in a mini skirt. Let's give her something a little fun and sexy". And that's all I think her midriff is. A bit of sexy, and a bit of fun.
It's a tiny thing in the scheme of things.
MK is not a 100 percent accurate interpretation of anything. it depends greatly on individual character design, and I'm sorry, but I honestly would be bored of a Jill-style outfit for her in like... 10 plays. We see that sort of thing all the time and I just don't think it's necessary for the aesthetic and ideas of what these games are.
It's okay to have a bit of sexy, it's okay to have a bit of crazy, and it's okay to let your military characters have some individual style, without being identical drones. Realistically, Jax and Sonya should dress exactly the same. But they're in the MK Special Forces. They get quirks, they get something individual, and they're in situations farrrrr removed from a generic battlefield. I really don't think Sonya would care for "modesty" or military mores when battling invading hordes.
There's realism, and there's exaggeration, mixed together. That's my favourite kind of character design. Like I said earlier, their outfits aren't just a literal interpretation of what they wear... there's also a degree of character needed in their clothes. An exposed midriff and some lighthearted sexy doesn't negate that (I actually quite liked that in VS DC she wasn't wearing a g string, but had tan lines for it... suggests something about her off duty...)
Samuhai, I couldn't have said it better myself.
100% Agreed.
Sonya herself has awarded you her very own "Sonya Approves!" stamp.

The_Truth Wrote:
However I definitely think (Jill's battle suite) could work with some modifications. First a new color scheme would have to be done up. Incorporate more black and any kind of camo (ACU, multicam, MARPAT, woodland, etc.) in strategic places. Say for instance have the top portion be mostly black but have a camo pattern on certain areas of the body mostly the legs.
However I definitely think (Jill's battle suite) could work with some modifications. First a new color scheme would have to be done up. Incorporate more black and any kind of camo (ACU, multicam, MARPAT, woodland, etc.) in strategic places. Say for instance have the top portion be mostly black but have a camo pattern on certain areas of the body mostly the legs.
Lovely to hear we agree. That's the style and theme in which I'd dress Sonya. She's got it going on in the last games, but, not as crazy futuristic as this.
BTW, what do you think of those fan art Sonya costumes above (the one in green and the one in red)? Costume wise for Sonya, does it fit your vision, or not?
The_Truth Wrote:
Have any of you played the older or hell even the current Splinter Cell games? The gear that Third Echelon has their operators use I could see working. That gear is not only sleek and futuristic but it's also practical. I'll try to find some pictures at some point of Archer and Kestrel to show what I'm talking about...but again it's kind of difficult to do so over here. >_>
Actually maybe an easier (and better) example might be some of the gear and outfits worn by the Joes in G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. Would that be an acceptable middle ground? EDIT: I already see somebody already made the connection. Teach me to not read other posts, ha.
Again the main issue with me is practicality. "It's just a game," ok, I got it. Understood. But when I look at a costume I just think to myself "Why are they wearing this?" I think the problem is a lot of people just can't let go of those old super hero inspired costumes that ran rampant in the 90s. Putting skin tight spandex outfits or leotards on a pretty girl will always win points but would they really even consider wearing something like that? Probably not, but then again I'm not an MK character so I couldn't say.
Again I'll try to get some pictures up but it will have to be later.
Have any of you played the older or hell even the current Splinter Cell games? The gear that Third Echelon has their operators use I could see working. That gear is not only sleek and futuristic but it's also practical. I'll try to find some pictures at some point of Archer and Kestrel to show what I'm talking about...but again it's kind of difficult to do so over here. >_>
Actually maybe an easier (and better) example might be some of the gear and outfits worn by the Joes in G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. Would that be an acceptable middle ground? EDIT: I already see somebody already made the connection. Teach me to not read other posts, ha.
Again the main issue with me is practicality. "It's just a game," ok, I got it. Understood. But when I look at a costume I just think to myself "Why are they wearing this?" I think the problem is a lot of people just can't let go of those old super hero inspired costumes that ran rampant in the 90s. Putting skin tight spandex outfits or leotards on a pretty girl will always win points but would they really even consider wearing something like that? Probably not, but then again I'm not an MK character so I couldn't say.
Again I'll try to get some pictures up but it will have to be later.
Pictures would be great.
While I understand your issues with "practicality", I definitely think its important not to make a big deal out of it. If we start to question it as much, there really would be nothing left to enjoy or be pleased about.
Does Mileena look practical to me? No. But, she can make me believe otherwise after seeing her in action.
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To samuhai:
I see a misunderstanding here, and it seems to me that queve has the same problem. Even in MK's story, the Special Forces is a division of the U.S. Army. When it comes to the OIA, I can understand that as a completely fictional, secret agent organization. That makes sense, and therefore, I can understand queve's view of wanting Sonya to have a more futuristic outfit.
For the purposes of the story, which take place between MK1 and MK3, the OIA hasn't been formed yet. Having said that, Sonya should dress like a soldier in the army, even if this is a fictional story. For her participation in the tournament, she could wear a casual outfit.
What I see here is an issue of mixing up casual elements for what's supposed to be a formal outfit. It's as if she's trying to dress for two different things but not succeeding in either one.
I could see that with with the OIA, but the Special Forces is a division of the U.S. Army. Perhaps it would have made sense had Sonya and Jax transfer to the OIA, leaving the Special Forces behind.
Not really.
No, not really.
I understand that. However, I did say something earlier about having a more casual outfit for Sonya, one that I wouldn't mind seeing as her primary costume. Her alternate costume could be the formal soldier outfit that goes with her role in the Special Forces.
I get all of that. It's not as if I'm saying they can't add any fantasy elements to spice it up. Just don't make it tacky and ridiculous.
Her alternate costume in those games was alright, but like The_Truth said, that's more for special gatherings.
When it comes to Sonya's costumes, her MK: Shaolin Monks costume is probably the best. I just hated the belly button, face, and midsection stuff.
To queve:
Not exactly...
I'm not trying to make it sound as if she's completely awful. You're reading too much into it...
So let me get this straight...So because Sonya has special powers is your reasoning behind her getting into the Special Forces?
Playing the "MK is fantasy" card is a lousy excuse not to have her costume be believable enough for her role as a soldier.
This has to do with your outlook. You want to go far more into the sci-fi stuff where I'd like to see more grounding in reality.
For her Special Forces soldier outfit, no. For the OIA agent outfit, not quite.
This one is much better.
I don't see the big deal here.
As an OIA agent, maybe she could get away with such gloves. As a soldier in the U.S. Army, it wouldn't make sense in terms of practicality, because you don't need the gloves to be that long, whether for hand-to-hand combat or using firearms.
It looks to me as if she's not even wearing a bra underneath that top. Since Mortal Kombat involves hand-to-hand combat, why not have some kind of melee vest? Having her show the thong and belly button is silly. I know you love the shit out of those, but they're unnecessary, and I feel that the belly button is tacky.
Yeah, I know you've love those too, but I don't like them simply because I find them to be tacky. This isn't to say that I'm opposed to Sonya having bangs. I just want them to be done differently.
I wasn't even specifically talking about the gloves here...
Also, didn't I make it clear to you that the gloves were a minor thing compared to other stuff?
The "very bulky" part supports what I said about you having a misconception, but you outright denied that! Sonya's costumes don't need to be overly detailed.
Such as?
Because, as I've said before, the Special Forces clearly from what we have seen isn't "just the US military". It's a completely fictional secret agent-y version, entirely distinct from its real world counterpart... so any kind of comparison is mute (i.e we can't assume that she would have to wear camo in her uniform... because we don't know the specifics of everything the SF get up to)
I see a misunderstanding here, and it seems to me that queve has the same problem. Even in MK's story, the Special Forces is a division of the U.S. Army. When it comes to the OIA, I can understand that as a completely fictional, secret agent organization. That makes sense, and therefore, I can understand queve's view of wanting Sonya to have a more futuristic outfit.
For the purposes of the story, which take place between MK1 and MK3, the OIA hasn't been formed yet. Having said that, Sonya should dress like a soldier in the army, even if this is a fictional story. For her participation in the tournament, she could wear a casual outfit.
The shirt she wears in DC doesn't bother me in the slightest. It clearly looks like something she would wear in a hand to hand fight. It's similar to things I've seen real martial arts women wearing, so why wouldn't Sonya?
What I see here is an issue of mixing up casual elements for what's supposed to be a formal outfit. It's as if she's trying to dress for two different things but not succeeding in either one.
Like I said, the SF seem to be a GI-Joe, independent and individualistic military unit. They have personal idiosyncracies and I just don't have a problem with a bit of midriff. It could be shorter, yes, but I'm really not fussed.
I could see that with with the OIA, but the Special Forces is a division of the U.S. Army. Perhaps it would have made sense had Sonya and Jax transfer to the OIA, leaving the Special Forces behind.
I get the midriff and I can understand the bangs... but what about her boots? Her pants? Her hat? Her little holstery things over her shoulders?
Not really.
If that shirt was just a plain T and covered her tummy would you have a problem with that?
No, not really.
As for the other pictures in the thread, that chick from FEAR... Sonya doesn't need body armor. She doesn't need padding and she definitely doesn't need bulky. Not for the aesthetics of the game, and not for the practicality of the character. She's not in a gunfight, she's in a martial arts tournament against medieval style fighters. Not machine guns.
I understand that. However, I did say something earlier about having a more casual outfit for Sonya, one that I wouldn't mind seeing as her primary costume. Her alternate costume could be the formal soldier outfit that goes with her role in the Special Forces.
And speaking of Resident Evil, what do you think of Sheva's default top in RE5? It's design seems fairly non-standard as well, but again it doesn't bother me. There comes a point in a game like MK or RE where you say "okay, our military chick isn't wearing high heels. SHe's not in a mini skirt. Let's give her something a little fun and sexy". And that's all I think her midriff is. A bit of sexy, and a bit of fun.
It's a tiny thing in the scheme of things.
MK is not a 100 percent accurate interpretation of anything.
It's a tiny thing in the scheme of things.
MK is not a 100 percent accurate interpretation of anything.
I get all of that. It's not as if I'm saying they can't add any fantasy elements to spice it up. Just don't make it tacky and ridiculous.
As for her alternates, I loved the idea of her DA/A alternate, the proper military uniform (although I hated how it actually looked in the game... but that's more a graphics thing than a design thing... though the boots were hideous)... I would be morrrre than happy to have something like that as her alternate. Would be swish. So long as they do it right.
Her alternate costume in those games was alright, but like The_Truth said, that's more for special gatherings.
When it comes to Sonya's costumes, her MK: Shaolin Monks costume is probably the best. I just hated the belly button, face, and midsection stuff.
To queve:
Samuhai's response to your post pretty much nails everything I would have said (and had yet to say!). He even gives you the answers to the discussions we've been having about Sonya (including your new post). Anyway...
Not exactly...
I'm pretty sure she doesn't lack self discipline as bad as you make it sound considering she is in the SF, after all.
I'm not trying to make it sound as if she's completely awful. You're reading too much into it...
Being "tough" didn't even cross my mind when I was reading this part of your quote. I was thinking more on the lines of her being an exceptional fighter who happens to play with energy rings, magic-fire, fire balls, defies gravity, and oh, she is a chosen one who's helped save the world more than once.
So let me get this straight...So because Sonya has special powers is your reasoning behind her getting into the Special Forces?
And this is bad how, exactly? How is this negative?
Playing the "MK is fantasy" card is a lousy excuse not to have her costume be believable enough for her role as a soldier.
I repeat, if I felt like they were screwing up her character I would be the #1 complainer because she is my favorite. Again, if Sonya needed that much correction I feel like there would had been tons of discussions on the matter ages ago.
This has to do with your outlook. You want to go far more into the sci-fi stuff where I'd like to see more grounding in reality.
BTW, these pictures that I posted are pretty much the vision I have of Sonya (SF soldier AND OIA special agent):
What do you think?
What do you think?
For her Special Forces soldier outfit, no. For the OIA agent outfit, not quite.
A more simple and less crazy approach is this one, which I also love:
This one is much better.
I don't want her to go back to the simple traditional gloves of the past. Those are prehistoric looking when compared with the awesome gloves she has in MKvsDC.
I don't see the big deal here.
Sonya is wearing those futuristic gloves as if they were regular every-day gloves and she is still kicking serious butt with them. How can they not. be comfortable? How can they not make sense for her?
As an OIA agent, maybe she could get away with such gloves. As a soldier in the U.S. Army, it wouldn't make sense in terms of practicality, because you don't need the gloves to be that long, whether for hand-to-hand combat or using firearms.
So, I'm curious, besides the top, what other big issues do you have with her costume? Like Samuhai said, she has a pretty solid ground base on realism. It seems to me that if Sonya were to cover up her tummy in all her latests appearances you really wouldn't be this opposed to how she looks in general.
It looks to me as if she's not even wearing a bra underneath that top. Since Mortal Kombat involves hand-to-hand combat, why not have some kind of melee vest? Having her show the thong and belly button is silly. I know you love the shit out of those, but they're unnecessary, and I feel that the belly button is tacky.
Would her long bangs around her face be a problem as well? Because as unrealistic as it is for a soldier to wear her hair like that in battle, it looks fucking fabulous on Sonya.
Yeah, I know you've love those too, but I don't like them simply because I find them to be tacky. This isn't to say that I'm opposed to Sonya having bangs. I just want them to be done differently.
Sorry, but just because the gloves are not of your taste they don't make her any less believable or like a fake. It's fine if you don't think they look that great, but, just because they aren't your traditional looking soldier gloves doesn't mean she doesn't look the part. She does.
I wasn't even specifically talking about the gloves here...
Not really.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
The "very bulky" part supports what I said about you having a misconception, but you outright denied that! Sonya's costumes don't need to be overly detailed.
Add a few cool looking things here and there to spice it up and you definitely have a winner.
Such as?


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While I understand your issues with "practicality", I definitely think its important not to make a big deal out of it. If we start to question it as much, there really would be nothing left to enjoy or be pleased about.
Does Mileena look practical to me? No. But, she can make me believe otherwise after seeing her in action.
While I understand your issues with "practicality", I definitely think its important not to make a big deal out of it. If we start to question it as much, there really would be nothing left to enjoy or be pleased about.
Does Mileena look practical to me? No. But, she can make me believe otherwise after seeing her in action.
I definitely don't like Mileena's current outfit either. It's a personal preference but I just think they could have just been more creative. I think she can graduate beyond a couple of purple straps and a mask...they can do a lot more. I think Mileena would actually benefit from a better creative thought process besides "she needs to wear the smallest thing...ever."
Anyway, here are some shots of Archer and Kestrel from Splinter Cell: Conviction. Archer (on the left) is with Third Echelon and Kestrel (right) is a Russian agent. I also apologize for these picture's size, I can't really fix that right now.


I just think if you put a realistic spin it actually adds to the character. It shows that actual time, research, and care was put into crafting them. In the end I hope they can at least graduate to not making a visible black leather thong on poor Sonya. She deserves better.
Well, the first design choice I would make is -applying to all females- to move her hair out of her sight.
Seriously, I KNOW that even shoulder lenght hair is a pain in the ass when engaged in combat. One of two strands are okay more or less, but the MK vs DC look sported this abominable choice.
And it is not just that it looks unrealistic. No. It looks stupid, and makes people, fictional people look like fashion victims of the extreme era.
Also, thankfully no high heels.
Seriously, I KNOW that even shoulder lenght hair is a pain in the ass when engaged in combat. One of two strands are okay more or less, but the MK vs DC look sported this abominable choice.
And it is not just that it looks unrealistic. No. It looks stupid, and makes people, fictional people look like fashion victims of the extreme era.
Also, thankfully no high heels.


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Queve,
put the two together
Bone-ya
Sonya will bone ya...
put the two together
Bone-ya
Sonya will bone ya...
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MKDC look is her best


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ok NRS.. just combine Boneya's MK4 and MKDC alt and make it her default and give a combo of her default mkdc costume and the new one as her alt.
oh and you might as well make her x-ray move (xxx-ray move in boneya's case)
where she grabs her opponents head and crushes it in between her tits.
oh and you might as well make her x-ray move (xxx-ray move in boneya's case)
where she grabs her opponents head and crushes it in between her tits.


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btw i hate the way she looks in MKSM. its the face.
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The MK Special Forces aren't the real world Special Forces... That's what I've been trying to say. The way they operate, what they wear, who's in it and what they do is entirely different from what the real world SF do, so to make comparisons or assumptions is wrong.
By the time MK V DC came around alterna-timeline wise, they'd alreadyd iscovered other realms and all that shiz, so who's to say the SF operates at ALL like it used to? I got the impression in DC's storyline that it was rather a fusing of the SF and the eventual OIA..... I was never sure when it fit in the "main" timeline regardless... post MK3 pre MK3?
MK1 I can definitely see her in a far more standard military outfit, but like I've said... SOOOO not bothered particularly.
I think it would be silly of any of us to take anything from DC as "realistic" at all... mind you.... it's a superhero fighting game :P Was all a bit... bleurgh to begin with.
I think the thing none of us will get past, is that Queve and I (and others) aren't bothered by a tummy. Whereas you think it's tacky. Our words aren't gonna change that :P It might be because of the movies and tv i watch and where I live (the beach, so lots of bikinis constantly) but I'm not fazed by a tummy, and I don't find it tacky, or tarty, or even necessarily sexual.
And I sure as hell don't know what you find tacky about her fringe... in ten years maybe it'll be tacky given fashion trends... but it's still a fairly spectacular hair style... (although I don't think it sits well under that beret in all honesty)
"What I see here is an issue of mixing up casual elements for what's supposed to be a formal outfit. It's as if she's trying to dress for two different things but not succeeding in either one."
This part in particular, I don't get.... The DC outfit isn't a formal outfit at all... It's her "Action" outfit. It's not dress, it's not formal. It's something apparently designed for combat, minus a midriff to give her some spunk :P (and of course she's not wearing a bra.... these design guys are perverts remember -_- I really hope they downsize her boobs in this one. They haven't done a good set of boobs since MK4)
She doesn't need body armour, or bulk, or camo, or any of that stuff that the more "Realistic" game designs have.... She's not in some uber combat environment with her machine guns (Which obviously she would know how to use... it'd be nice to see themt aken off her in the MK1 tournament for example)... she's gotten caught up in a big ass inter-realm fist fight. Anything slowing her down is a liability. Whether or not some of those outfits actually WOULD slow her down is irrelevant. From a purely design standpoint, they look like they would
and they look BAD. :P I'm sorry, this is just opinion, but i would HATE Sonya in full on realistic military garb. I'd hate it if Jax was. I'd hate it if Scorpion was in genuine ninja gear, if Kung Lao was in proper shaolin attire... I'd hate it if Mileena's boobs didn't defy gravity in her outfits, I'd hate for Shang to ditch his robes cos they're so floaty... and I'd hate it if Kahn realised that the whole speedo look and retardo mask doesn't make him look intimidating :P
There is as much an aesthetic to the character design as there is realism. When Sonya ends up in a cocktail dress with combat boots, then I'll be the first one to freak out... but 'til then I'll forgive something a little unconventional, much like I'll forgive Sonya's ability to defy gravity with her bicycle kicks or throw someone with her legs...
You may well not, 'cos we have differing opinions on whats tacky or whats unacceptable realism, but that's the joy of life :P
I don't get what's so inconcieveable about sonya wearing a skimpy top. This is the same game where most of the dudes are shirtless. Watch muay thai, boxing or whatever. Dudes don't wear tops, and girls wear sports bras.
With the earthrealm fighters, it seems like their default outfit is what they would wear for a planned tournament fight. In a scenario where Sonya and Jax are wearing their army gear, and end up in a tournament, it's pretty believeable, if you care about that kind of thing, that they would opt to take off their jackets/shirts or whatever for freer arm movement. You see that kind of thing in movies all the time.
The alternate outfit is something different and cool that the character would wear for a different occasion, and if Baraka jumped out of their bowl of cornflakes or whatever and caught them on the hop, they'd wear whatever they were wearing at the time to kick his ass in.
Johnny Cage has a tuxedo and Sonya has her dress uniform. Maybe they're collecting an award for saving the world again or something. I think both these outfits are sweet and awesome. Jax has what a 50 cent hosted party in the club outfit. That's a bit of fun too.
With the earthrealm fighters, it seems like their default outfit is what they would wear for a planned tournament fight. In a scenario where Sonya and Jax are wearing their army gear, and end up in a tournament, it's pretty believeable, if you care about that kind of thing, that they would opt to take off their jackets/shirts or whatever for freer arm movement. You see that kind of thing in movies all the time.
The alternate outfit is something different and cool that the character would wear for a different occasion, and if Baraka jumped out of their bowl of cornflakes or whatever and caught them on the hop, they'd wear whatever they were wearing at the time to kick his ass in.
Johnny Cage has a tuxedo and Sonya has her dress uniform. Maybe they're collecting an award for saving the world again or something. I think both these outfits are sweet and awesome. Jax has what a 50 cent hosted party in the club outfit. That's a bit of fun too.
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Samuhai's response to your post pretty much nails everything I would have said (and had yet to say!). He even gives you the answers to the discussions we've been having about Sonya (including your new post). Anyway...
Not exactly...
I fail to see why not, buddy. It's clearly come to the point where it's all about personal preference and the different visions we have for Sonya. The team is obviously going on for a more "fantasy" like design than a real military one, which I approve.
Being "tough" didn't even cross my mind when I was reading this part of your quote. I was thinking more on the lines of her being an exceptional fighter who happens to play with energy rings, magic-fire, fire balls, defies gravity, and oh, she is a chosen one who's helped save the world more than once.
So let me get this straight...So because Sonya has special powers is your reasoning behind her getting into the Special Forces?
One of the reasons, yes.
She easily proved to be a valuable asset to them and Raiden. Even in the Official MK4 Strategy book she is literally referred to as "A deadly weapon". It's gotta mean something, no?
And this is bad how, exactly? How is this negative?
Playing the "MK is fantasy" card is a lousy excuse not to have her costume be believable enough for her role as a soldier.
It's not an excuse. It's a reason. You might think its a lousy reason, but, there's nothing I can do to change your mind.
I repeat, if I felt like they were screwing up her character I would be the #1 complainer because she is my favorite. Again, if Sonya needed that much correction I feel like there would had been tons of discussions on the matter ages ago.
This has to do with your outlook. You want to go far more into the sci-fi stuff where I'd like to see more grounding in reality.
Absolutely understandable. In the end, they seem to be leaning towards one side more than the other. I feel glad about this, of course, but, I'd totally support the vision you have in order to please everyone (with a few tweaks here and there).
I don't want her to go back to the simple traditional gloves of the past. Those are prehistoric looking when compared with the awesome gloves she has in MKvsDC.
I don't see the big deal here.
It's not a big deal. But it is annoying. I am disappointed with the gloves she is using in this new game because the ones in MKvsDC are far more interesting and cooler looking. Still, the "new" prehistoric gloves look fine.
Sonya is wearing those futuristic gloves as if they were regular every-day gloves and she is still kicking serious butt with them. How can they not. be comfortable? How can they not make sense for her?
As an OIA agent, maybe she could get away with such gloves. As a soldier in the U.S. Army, it wouldn't make sense in terms of practicality, because you don't need the gloves to be that long, whether for hand-to-hand combat or using firearms.
If everything is going to come down to "practicality" or "what's practical" and "what's not" characters in general would have very simple and boring design. Either too realistic or too plain.
It doesn't look like they are an inconvenience when she fights, so, I can believe they are comfortable and convenient enough. Same with Hotaru's flag (which I know are based on a real thing), Mileena's lack of cloth, high heels, Kung Lao's hat, Sonya's bangs, etc.
Would her long bangs around her face be a problem as well? Because as unrealistic as it is for a soldier to wear her hair like that in battle, it looks fucking fabulous on Sonya.
Yeah, I know you've love those too, but I don't like them simply because I find them to be tacky. This isn't to say that I'm opposed to Sonya having bangs. I just want them to be done differently.
Fair enough.
But yeah, I love them just the way they are. I like how they seem exaggerated, but, in a totally positive way.
Not really.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
It's mostly because it looks plain boring, very bulky, and annoyingly simple. Honestly. With todays technology and design within the world of MK, I just don't see that outfit being a winner. At all.
The "very bulky" part supports what I said about you having a misconception, but you outright denied that! Sonya's costumes don't need to be overly detailed.
No no, I'm not denying that I don't like the bulky look because it also makes her look/feel heavy and less agile.
What I'm saying is simple: it's just plain boring. That's the #1 main reason why I'm opposed to a costume such as the one of FEAR or Jill's in RE5 (even though that one can totally be passable with just a few tweaks here and there).
Add a few cool looking things here and there to spice it up and you definitely have a winner.
Such as?
Futuristic looking straps/material.
Gadgets.
Sleek-ness.
+ Color variation.
etc.

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I'm content with her present costume, but if I were to pick, I'd have her in her MK vs DC hat with her hair in a ponytail like in MK4, the same MK2011 face, a white A-shirt (or wifebeater if you're more familiar with that term), brown fingerless gloves, camo cargo pants held up by a brown leather belt, and brown Vietnam War era jungle boots.
I normally prefer heels and exotic designs, but I kept Sonya's character in mind. You must always do that in character creation and development.
I normally prefer heels and exotic designs, but I kept Sonya's character in mind. You must always do that in character creation and development.
I think her new look is pretty much perfect. Better than I could have imagined.
If I had to criticise anything, maybe some of the straps seem a bit busy and unnecessary, but they may have some kind of purpose. Perhaps the body straps are from an undergarment or something.
I'm content already so an alternate isn't that important, but It would be cool to see what else the designers can come up with. Have done some great work thus far.
If I had to criticise anything, maybe some of the straps seem a bit busy and unnecessary, but they may have some kind of purpose. Perhaps the body straps are from an undergarment or something.
I'm content already so an alternate isn't that important, but It would be cool to see what else the designers can come up with. Have done some great work thus far.
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