Saying that Noob isn't a good character because his story didn't exist until MK5 is literally the same as saying you don't like Sonya because her story didn't exist until MK2. The characters evolve, man. They don't start out as anything, and they either become awesome, like they did with Noob, or they disappear, like they did with Movado (which I'm not happy about).
The best thing about MK is the way they alter the story. The fact that Noob is Bi-Han is incredible, and makes for awesome story lines. Just like the fact that Reptile is in fact a reptile, and not just another ninja, like he used to be. You have to accept the characters as they are now, just like in comics.
The best thing about MK is the way they alter the story. The fact that Noob is Bi-Han is incredible, and makes for awesome story lines. Just like the fact that Reptile is in fact a reptile, and not just another ninja, like he used to be. You have to accept the characters as they are now, just like in comics.
ShadowPreacher •07/15/2012 02:53 PM (UTC) •
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donsian Wrote:
did you not read "first hi-tec character" she first appeared in MK1, in which the characters you mentioned (exept kano, but he wasn't very hi-tech that game) and one of her special moves in which she shoots an energy ring from her wrists
oracle Wrote:
donsian Wrote:
Sonya, the first hi-tech character in MK.
Kano, Jax, Sektor and Cyrax?Sonya, the first hi-tech character in MK.
did you not read "first hi-tec character" she first appeared in MK1, in which the characters you mentioned (exept kano, but he wasn't very hi-tech that game) and one of her special moves in which she shoots an energy ring from her wrists
The energy rings were chi blasts. But even if you assume they weren't, still, how does that make her more high-tech than a guy with a cybernetic eye implant?
I'm voting for Bi-Han anyway. Such a lovably evil bastard.
Jaded-Raven •07/15/2012 03:45 PM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
I'm talking about your Jade av and sig.
They were awesome, and now you have that dumb blue bird. What gives, JR? Is Jade not good enough for you, anymore? You gotta go and get all fancy with Nightwing like he's some hotshot?
You broke my heart, man! That's not cool!
Okay, that was funny. In all seriousness, cool av and sig there, JR. It is kinda weird not seeing Jade, though.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
... Excuse me?
...
Anyways, I voted for Noob Saibot. I love Sonya, but I love Noob more.
Riyakou Wrote:
What the hell did you do with Jade?
I was enjoying those pictures! Bring 'em back, you meanie!
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
blah blah blah *Riyakou doesn't care what Jaded-Raven wrote because that's not what's important* HERE'S what's important:
blah blah blah *Riyakou doesn't care what Jaded-Raven wrote because that's not what's important* HERE'S what's important:
What the hell did you do with Jade?
I was enjoying those pictures! Bring 'em back, you meanie!
... Excuse me?
...
Anyways, I voted for Noob Saibot. I love Sonya, but I love Noob more.
I'm talking about your Jade av and sig.
They were awesome, and now you have that dumb blue bird. What gives, JR? Is Jade not good enough for you, anymore? You gotta go and get all fancy with Nightwing like he's some hotshot?
You broke my heart, man! That's not cool!
Okay, that was funny. In all seriousness, cool av and sig there, JR. It is kinda weird not seeing Jade, though.
Riiiiiight...
*steps away from the psycho!*
;P
Sonya Blade.
As much as I like Noob Saibot, I like him mostly for being Bi-Han and not shadow ninja. I still hope that one day he will return to his previous personality. As he is now, well, I like he special effects filled gameplay, but in MK9 he weas hard to control and in general I am not fan of tricky characters.
Sonya on the other hand, while she don't have elaborate backstory (as Noob), her gameplay was always perfect, in the last few games she apeared in. And her appearance was also in general more interesting (in MKDA-MKA) rather than Noob's, who predominnatly always stayed a black ninja with BDSM overtones. Maybe, I voted for Noob in this round if he had more interesting costume in MK9, but no such luck.
As for Goro debate:
And all his development was subsequently killed in MKD and later. He was turned back into stupid brute lackey. I liked him in MKDA for the reasons stated above, but after his "ressurection" in MKD he lost his appeal. Complete with his awful appearance in MKD-MKA games, he lost all his coolness to me. In MK9 he restored some of his pride, but that goes only for his apearance. Personality-wise he is still a brute and his gameplay is alcking, since he is very easy to defeat.
Royal brute is still a brute. Him having royal blood doesn't change anything about it. It's just an information. His personality and actions should affect how his character is perceived, not just description.
And about his loaylty...if MKD is any indication, than Goro is just sleazy opportunist, much like many other characters in the series, who will bertray whoever he serves at the moment, if it give some benefit to him and his people in the long run. I understand that he is in quite predicament, being between Centurians and Tarkatans, but opportunistic traitors never were my favorite kind of characters, only if they were very charismatic like Quan Chi for example. And Goro is not very charismatic, aside from being steretypical big strong "bodyguard"-type character.
Kung Lao has very important aspects to him - he have his own style, his character was interesting for more than two games, he has charisma and badass personality. Also, he is not an opportunistic traitor. His failures in the story...well they happened, but Goro failed all the same - he was defeated by Liu Kang in MK1 and went into seclusion because of shame. Returned in MK4 / Gold for revenge and never had it. Then he was killed by Noob and bertrayed his allies for Kahn, ruining his character ever since. Kung Lao's personality was butchered in MKSM, but in MK9 he was much more tolerable and not so brash as he was in MKSM. While Goro stayed loyal brute on Kahn's service to the end.
As much as I like Noob Saibot, I like him mostly for being Bi-Han and not shadow ninja. I still hope that one day he will return to his previous personality. As he is now, well, I like he special effects filled gameplay, but in MK9 he weas hard to control and in general I am not fan of tricky characters.
Sonya on the other hand, while she don't have elaborate backstory (as Noob), her gameplay was always perfect, in the last few games she apeared in. And her appearance was also in general more interesting (in MKDA-MKA) rather than Noob's, who predominnatly always stayed a black ninja with BDSM overtones. Maybe, I voted for Noob in this round if he had more interesting costume in MK9, but no such luck.
As for Goro debate:
Gorozilla Wrote:
Kinda funny you say that because Goro has changed and become more than just a big brute in the past. During Mortal Kombat 4 he allied with Kitana in order to stop a war between the Shokan and the Centaurs. He effectively crossed over to the good side between MK4 and MKDA, he even made peace with Kung Lao for killing his ancestor! Hell, he even lead the charge alongside Kitana against Shao Kahn at the beginning of Deadly Alliance.
Kinda funny you say that because Goro has changed and become more than just a big brute in the past. During Mortal Kombat 4 he allied with Kitana in order to stop a war between the Shokan and the Centaurs. He effectively crossed over to the good side between MK4 and MKDA, he even made peace with Kung Lao for killing his ancestor! Hell, he even lead the charge alongside Kitana against Shao Kahn at the beginning of Deadly Alliance.
And all his development was subsequently killed in MKD and later. He was turned back into stupid brute lackey. I liked him in MKDA for the reasons stated above, but after his "ressurection" in MKD he lost his appeal. Complete with his awful appearance in MKD-MKA games, he lost all his coolness to me. In MK9 he restored some of his pride, but that goes only for his apearance. Personality-wise he is still a brute and his gameplay is alcking, since he is very easy to defeat.
Gorozilla Wrote:
A lot of people tend to look at Goro as just a big brute which is understandable, especially after MK9. Unlike most of the other sub bosses (Kintaro I'm looking at you) Goro is more than just another big brute. He's a High ranking Outworld villain being the prince of the Shokan, general of the Emperor's army, and 9 time champion of Mortal Kombat. Goro isn't just a completely evil character either, and he isn't blindly loyal to Shao Kahn. He's simply trying to do right by his people and working for Shao Kahn is the easiest way to do that. Once he could cross over to the side of good without screwing over his people he did so without much hesitation.
A lot of people tend to look at Goro as just a big brute which is understandable, especially after MK9. Unlike most of the other sub bosses (Kintaro I'm looking at you) Goro is more than just another big brute. He's a High ranking Outworld villain being the prince of the Shokan, general of the Emperor's army, and 9 time champion of Mortal Kombat. Goro isn't just a completely evil character either, and he isn't blindly loyal to Shao Kahn. He's simply trying to do right by his people and working for Shao Kahn is the easiest way to do that. Once he could cross over to the side of good without screwing over his people he did so without much hesitation.
Royal brute is still a brute. Him having royal blood doesn't change anything about it. It's just an information. His personality and actions should affect how his character is perceived, not just description.
And about his loaylty...if MKD is any indication, than Goro is just sleazy opportunist, much like many other characters in the series, who will bertray whoever he serves at the moment, if it give some benefit to him and his people in the long run. I understand that he is in quite predicament, being between Centurians and Tarkatans, but opportunistic traitors never were my favorite kind of characters, only if they were very charismatic like Quan Chi for example. And Goro is not very charismatic, aside from being steretypical big strong "bodyguard"-type character.
Gorozilla Wrote:
Kung Lao on the other hand has never become more than a sidekick. He tried to take down Shao Kahn during MK3, and was almost killed before Liu Kang saved his ass. When he could finally step out of Liu Kang's shadow during MKDA, he was killed by the deadly alliance. Then they went and screwed over his characterization during Shaolin Monks and they've kept his brash and cocky personality from then on. Goro became a compelling, interesting character before they killed him off and brought him back to the side of evil. Every time Kung Lao has tried stepping out of the true champion of Mortal Kombat's shadow, he's been killed off before he could accomplish anything.
Kung Lao on the other hand has never become more than a sidekick. He tried to take down Shao Kahn during MK3, and was almost killed before Liu Kang saved his ass. When he could finally step out of Liu Kang's shadow during MKDA, he was killed by the deadly alliance. Then they went and screwed over his characterization during Shaolin Monks and they've kept his brash and cocky personality from then on. Goro became a compelling, interesting character before they killed him off and brought him back to the side of evil. Every time Kung Lao has tried stepping out of the true champion of Mortal Kombat's shadow, he's been killed off before he could accomplish anything.
Kung Lao has very important aspects to him - he have his own style, his character was interesting for more than two games, he has charisma and badass personality. Also, he is not an opportunistic traitor. His failures in the story...well they happened, but Goro failed all the same - he was defeated by Liu Kang in MK1 and went into seclusion because of shame. Returned in MK4 / Gold for revenge and never had it. Then he was killed by Noob and bertrayed his allies for Kahn, ruining his character ever since. Kung Lao's personality was butchered in MKSM, but in MK9 he was much more tolerable and not so brash as he was in MKSM. While Goro stayed loyal brute on Kahn's service to the end.
MK_Fanatic_ •07/15/2012 04:13 PM (UTC) •
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Sonya gets my vote. She's just been around so long and is an iconic figure. In reality I wouldn't want Noob or anyone else from the forces of evil to win lol''
legoslayer10 •07/15/2012 04:37 PM (UTC) •
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Reall, I would hate to see a final of two ninjas. Vote for no ninja, or the weakest is my new tactic. Sonya FTW.
SlickRic82 •07/15/2012 06:19 PM (UTC) •
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Another close round... really hope the Blonde Bomb can take the win
GO SONYA!!!!!! P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
GO SONYA!!!!!! P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
Noobsmoke92 •07/15/2012 06:40 PM (UTC) •
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SlickRic82 Wrote:
Another close round... really hope the Blonde Bomb can take the win
GO SONYA!!!!!!
P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
Another close round... really hope the Blonde Bomb can take the win
GO SONYA!!!!!!
P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
He is busy a lil bit,work and all stuff.
Anyways,Sonya because badassness.
SlickRic82 •07/15/2012 06:46 PM (UTC) •
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Noobsmoke92 Wrote:
He is busy a lil bit,work and all stuff.
Anyways,Sonya because badassness.
SlickRic82 Wrote:
Another close round... really hope the Blonde Bomb can take the win
GO SONYA!!!!!!
P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
Another close round... really hope the Blonde Bomb can take the win
GO SONYA!!!!!!
P.S Does anyone know where Queve is?
He is busy a lil bit,work and all stuff.
Anyways,Sonya because badassness.
Ahh cool, as long as he's well
Sonya's taken the lead! ....and lost it again (hmph)
PrtgStevo88 RIP Tekken vS Mortal Kombat -- X-Men vS Mortal Kombat -- •07/15/2012 07:24 PM (UTC) •
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I vote for Noob...only because I want to go against the "no ninja" protest that is going on.
Jaded-Raven •07/15/2012 07:27 PM (UTC) •
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mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
mintpuff •07/15/2012 07:37 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
PrtgStevo88 RIP Tekken vS Mortal Kombat -- X-Men vS Mortal Kombat -- •07/15/2012 07:40 PM (UTC) •
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mintpuff Wrote:
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
KungLaodoesntsuck •07/15/2012 07:42 PM (UTC) •
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mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Simple.
Won't vote that round.
Jaded-Raven •07/15/2012 07:59 PM (UTC) •
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PrtgStevo88 Wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
mintpuff Wrote:
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
Noob is a shadow wraith.
Smoke is a demon (enenra) assassin.
Ermac is a soul mystic.
Rain is a demigod warrior.
Sub-Zero is a cryomantic assassin.
Reptile is a Saurian assassin.
Mind you that an assassin and a ninja is not the same. Ninja has a history behind them all the way back from Feudal Japan and they have a certain way of things. An assassin is LIKE a ninja though, but is more an overall term of people who kill in silence.
However, today people are so ignorant of these things that they think they can dress a character up with a mask and then call him a ninja.
MK_Fanatic_ •07/15/2012 08:19 PM (UTC) •
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I just don't want this whole thing to come down to a Sub-Zero V Noob match... kinda feels like things are going that way
ShadowPreacher Wrote:
The energy rings were chi blasts. But even if you assume they weren't, still, how does that make her more high-tech than a guy with a cybernetic eye implant?
I'm voting for Bi-Han anyway. Such a lovably evil bastard.
donsian Wrote:
did you not read "first hi-tec character" she first appeared in MK1, in which the characters you mentioned (exept kano, but he wasn't very hi-tech that game) and one of her special moves in which she shoots an energy ring from her wrists
oracle Wrote:
donsian Wrote:
Sonya, the first hi-tech character in MK.
Kano, Jax, Sektor and Cyrax?Sonya, the first hi-tech character in MK.
did you not read "first hi-tec character" she first appeared in MK1, in which the characters you mentioned (exept kano, but he wasn't very hi-tech that game) and one of her special moves in which she shoots an energy ring from her wrists
The energy rings were chi blasts. But even if you assume they weren't, still, how does that make her more high-tech than a guy with a cybernetic eye implant?
I'm voting for Bi-Han anyway. Such a lovably evil bastard.
well i'm not quite sure he could use the eye laser in MK1
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Noob is a shadow wraith.
Smoke is a demon (enenra) assassin.
Ermac is a soul mystic.
Rain is a demigod warrior.
Sub-Zero is a cryomantic assassin.
Reptile is a Saurian assassin.
Mind you that an assassin and a ninja is not the same. Ninja has a history behind them all the way back from Feudal Japan and they have a certain way of things. An assassin is LIKE a ninja though, but is more an overall term of people who kill in silence.
However, today people are so ignorant of these things that they think they can dress a character up with a mask and then call him a ninja.
PrtgStevo88 Wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
mintpuff Wrote:
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
^ mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
Noob is a shadow wraith.
Smoke is a demon (enenra) assassin.
Ermac is a soul mystic.
Rain is a demigod warrior.
Sub-Zero is a cryomantic assassin.
Reptile is a Saurian assassin.
Mind you that an assassin and a ninja is not the same. Ninja has a history behind them all the way back from Feudal Japan and they have a certain way of things. An assassin is LIKE a ninja though, but is more an overall term of people who kill in silence.
However, today people are so ignorant of these things that they think they can dress a character up with a mask and then call him a ninja.
You are right on the money with this one, JR.
Ninjas only exist in Japan, so only Scorpion is a ninja. Of course, while people tend to call the Lin Kuei ninjas, they themselves refer to each other as assassins.
However, in the case of Mortal Kombat, I believe certain characters are referred to as ninjas for the sake of classification.
LucaTurilli •07/15/2012 10:09 PM (UTC) •
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Voted Noob.
Both characters are awesome now... but Noob is just a little better.
Sonya has sucked up until this game... she finally got a moveset that wasn't garbage. Noob has been better for a little big longer.
Both characters are awesome now... but Noob is just a little better.
Sonya has sucked up until this game... she finally got a moveset that wasn't garbage. Noob has been better for a little big longer.
mintpuff •07/15/2012 10:17 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Noob is a shadow wraith.
Smoke is a demon (enenra) assassin.
Ermac is a soul mystic.
Rain is a demigod warrior.
Sub-Zero is a cryomantic assassin.
Reptile is a Saurian assassin.
Mind you that an assassin and a ninja is not the same. Ninja has a history behind them all the way back from Feudal Japan and they have a certain way of things. An assassin is LIKE a ninja though, but is more an overall term of people who kill in silence.
However, today people are so ignorant of these things that they think they can dress a character up with a mask and then call him a ninja.
PrtgStevo88 Wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
mintpuff Wrote:
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
mintpuff Wrote:
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
I wonder what all of these 'no ninjas!!!!111!' people are going to do when Ermac vs Smoke.
/chinhands
Probably voting for Ermac as he is more a mystic than a ninja. Though the only ninja of MK has already been voted out.
^
That.
Really, none of the remaining characters can even be classified as ninjas. I'm not even sure why people are throwing a fit about 'ninjas'.
also tough choice but I'm voting for Ermac as well because he's my favorite
Just out of curiosity, what would you classify them as?
Noob is a shadow wraith.
Smoke is a demon (enenra) assassin.
Ermac is a soul mystic.
Rain is a demigod warrior.
Sub-Zero is a cryomantic assassin.
Reptile is a Saurian assassin.
Mind you that an assassin and a ninja is not the same. Ninja has a history behind them all the way back from Feudal Japan and they have a certain way of things. An assassin is LIKE a ninja though, but is more an overall term of people who kill in silence.
However, today people are so ignorant of these things that they think they can dress a character up with a mask and then call him a ninja.
And there you have it, actual correct classifications for these characters, brought to you by JR.
SonyaBladeMk2011 •07/15/2012 10:34 PM (UTC) •
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Sonya all time....
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