I'd much rather have a sexy, confident, pole-dancing Jade than have what Samus Aran in Other M or Aya Brea in 3rd Birthday were presented as.

Jade's a sexy beast, she knows it, she flaunts it, and, you know what, I know you want her too. Don't get upset or confused; the arousal and shortness of breath is natural and not because Jade is a vile devil-woman that wants to suck your essence from your body and leave you a shriveled husk.

Now... does anybody have a dollar?

I've no problems with the girls having playful or subtlely sggestive victory poses. My only fear is that their sexuality and sex appeal becomes their defining attribute because there is so much more to their character than their sex appeal. They might be fictional, but the girls have always had excellent storys and personalities and I'd hate to see them have nothing going on for their upper body bar from a pair of barely covered Double D's.

They've already considerably dumbed Mileena down both mentally and in terms of her story's depth from her previous renditions just to make her playful and sexy, it would just be an awful shame that after 20 years of character growth with the MK females they ultimately just become glorified Glamour Models who can throw a decent punch.

The mythos of Mortal Kombat has been getting worse and worse under Vogel since, MK: Deception. Slowly but surely he has been turning once unique characters, into sleaze ball hipster versions of themselves , into something that you would you see MTV. "I've no problems with the girls having playful or subtlely sggestive victory poses. My only fear is that their sexuality and sex appeal becomes their defining attribute because there is so much more to their character than their sex appeal. They might be fictional, but the girls have always had excellent storys and personalities and I'd hate to see them have nothing going on for their upper body bar from a pair of barely covered Double D's" I agree, the females in MK are nothing like they were under Tobias. A time when, they are most remembered and most respectable. Now they are a dime a dozen.

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Well said as always, Garlador. *puts a dollar into your thong* There you go.

Because she has a story behind that win pose am I right.

...how the HELL did this thread reach 6 pages?

By people continuing posting in it.

Well D'UUUUUUUUUUUHH!!!

My fav MK chick will do a pole dance in victory!
Hell yeah ima try to win as her now heehee ^^

And of course someone will always l3itch. Mileena looks more scantily, Kitana looksl ike a disney Princess and now Jade does Pole dance..eh there will always be someone!

Insieme per la Victoria Jade! :)

Are you seriously citing the gross Penny Arcade guys as an authority on the portrayal of women in media? Because, uh...
Well, just try Googling "penny arcade misogyny" one of these days.

Oh god no... I've actually been looking forward to 3rd Birthday. ;_;

What the fuck did that hack Toriyama do to my delicious Aya?

Nope, but she sure as hell wasn't gleefully doing stripper pole stuff. She was a person you sort of took seriously. Like most things in MK(2011), it’s nothing more than a self parody of itself.

I think it's a hot pose. MK was built around the idea of NOT being PC. I never understood the outcry for this game to stop being provocative. Provocative is what makes MK MK. It's what made us love this game as kids. It's what made our parents hate this game when we were kids, heh. I love the pose. I hope they continue to push boundaries.

I don't even consider this a blatant sexualized thing. It's more a subtle innuendo than anything else. At least for me.

In regards to the top posts. I think that the hardcore fans will also know that there is more to these characters than glorious racks, and I think that the casual fans will just think that it is cool.

It thought it was just very cool, not even sexy just really great.

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"I think it's a hot pose. MK was built around the idea of NOT being PC."

Making female characters who may have always been sexy but once also had at least a little dignity into into slutty bimbo caricatures is not "provocative." It's nasty, dumb, and a little sad. Femininity, sexiness, and dignity are not mutually-exclusive. I'd just like the NRS team to realize that.

Oh, geez... I feel like I'm breaking a terrible illness to a hospital patient or informing someone that a relative of theirs is deceased.

T-rex, as a MASSIVE fan of Parasite Eve, let me just be frank with you. They screwed up. Badly. I would even say that the only people who might marginally enjoy 3rd Birthday are people who never DID play Parasite Eve. If you like Parasite Eve, and you liked Aya Brea in those games, you will absolutely, utterly HATE what they did to her (and her supporting characters) in this game. It makes what they did to Samus in Other M seem tame by comparison. I would say that 3rd Birthday is probably the worst story Square has ever done (and they did Drakengard and Mindjack), and they pretty much went out of their way to ruin Aya Brea in a way that is practically irredeemable.

... So, yeah. Jade's stripper-pole win-pose doesn't seem so bad by comparison.

Ehhh, I disagree *Kano*. I guess it boils down to perception. Why some choose to think glorifying violence in a video game is okay, but glorifying over-sexualized images of women isn't never really made sense to me. You have to be an equal opportunity objector. I don't think you can pick and choose.

"It's so cool and funny to see someone get ripped in half...but this woman twirling on the pole is unacceptable."

I think you are exaggerating and jumping to conclusions, but oh well.
That's just your opinion.

Look man, I think they just thought it was cool. I dont think they questioned the morality and dignity of the character, which may be your whole point.

My point is that I dont think sliding down a pole for a couple of seconds earns a scarled (or JADE) letter. We have a good looking lady with a pole in an
M-rated game primarily marketed to 18-25 year old males. It was bound to happen. Who the hell gets their morality from Mortal Kombat anyway?

It is funny how we each put things into perspective.

That’s the thing, these characters were never based on these concepts of the oversexual stuff. We now live in a day in age where you can turn on the TV and now see half naked females. There is nothing wrong with that. Most of not all comic book females are inherently sexy, but they body figure , face, and breast size. Very few of comic book characters dress as little as the females in this game.

I bring up comic books because, Mortal Kombat not only got its start from Chinese/Japanese mythogy, but comic book archetypes. Kitana was based on Psylocke from X-men, her design was sexy because it complemented her, at the same time not taking outfit overboard to a point were her breasts were falling out of dancing on stripper poles. The point I am making more and more characters are so wrong to what they really are. Jade spinning around like that is so out of place, like so many things about this games presentation of long running characters. To the point they aren’t the same characters the MK team claim to be “revisiting”, not even Mortal Kombat at all.

This game seems like a joke on the whole MK mythos that Tobias established so well. Including Jade, who like so many others out of character. Shouldn't MK (2011) represent characters , as they were of the time?

A word of advise then... Don't buy the game. You'd hate it.

Well, fuck. Looks like I'll be skipping.

I have such fond memories of the first PE, I don't want to tarnish them.

"It's so cool and funny to see someone get ripped and half...but this woman twirling on the pole is unacceptable."

This is one of those arguments that I thing *sounds* like it makes sense on some level, but when you break it down, you see it's really apples and oranges.

On one hand, you have people getting ripped it half in media. Let's just abstract that one to violence in media, since getting ripped in half is a relatively uncommon way to go, even in the realm of fiction.

Then you have the countless issues and debates surrounding how women are portrayed in the media.

Debate on each of these topic can (and has) filled libraries and while they do sometimes overlap, I don't see how it's necessarily useful to say "Well, we have violence, so let's not worry about how we portray women." The one topic doesn't by definition encompass or render irrelevant the other.

See what I'm getting at?

Giggity