I got the impression you did. Guess I was wrong. There do seem to be a few people saying about a true to real life army/ "army special forces" outfit, with bulletproof armour and that kind of gubbins. I exaggerated when I said a third, what I mean was that a third want "big" changes to the outfit (how big is big is subjective of course). I made a COD reference for fun.


Sure. I moan as well when I don't like stuff. Clearly I even moan about people moaning about stuff I do like. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss. I agree that's what a discusion forum is for.

The point I was going for is that the people who post on MKO, or rather in this thread aren't a clean cross section of the players. Most fans are more casual, but they don't post so much. I posit that initial thread replies, and replies to threads on other messageboards might be more representative. I get the feeling that with casual fans, the bulk of them are either saying "OMG awesome" or "I don't really care".

MK FANBOYS, ITS JUST A VIDEOGAME FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

We should be talking about figthing mechanics not how immoral a character looks like lol

honestly this is getting really boring

I hope Smoke has high heels so he can get 24 pages of heated debate after his reveal.

But seriously, the Sonya fans have always been a vocal group. She wasn't even playable in Deception, and if I remember correctly, that was the period where the Sonya/Kitana feud was at its peak. I like Sonya, and I'm a little disappointed by the new costume, but I appreciate having another character reveal. Hoping for at least two more before the year is over.

We do so, because fighting games today, and games overall, is more than just a game. They are pieces of art and entertainment. They are stories to be told. They aren't just all about hitting the right buttons at the right time. The aesthetics and the lore in a game is just as important as the gameplay.

You can disagree with that all you want though, but people on this forum proves you otherwise.

That would be hilarious. It might break the forum.

I still think that overt sex appeal is desirable to a politically correct, career-perfect-appropriate outfit, and I'll shamelessly admit that I find her new look sexy and fun. We know that this game is going to have some outstanding gameplay attributes - what's wrong with going a little rogue with the sexiness? Basically, when I load the MKO homepage, I stare at the logo for a bit, and become very content. I don't want to lose that feeling.

Also, we are operating under that sole premise that this is not some sort of beta build for Sonya's character. For all we know, these are older screenshots even though they were released recently. By the time we see a video of her, he outfit may have already changed.
Oh, and @SilentxKiller, last I checked, isn't this a forum FOR MK fanboys??

Yes, we know it's just a video game. However, Mortal Kombat is a series we're big into, hence why we're on this forum in the first place. Hell, I've been here 8 years! My issue for Sonya's costume isn't about immorality but rather that I find her costume to be stupid, bland, and uninspired. Sonya and other female characters can show skin, but don't make them look ridiculous. The females revealed so far suffer from this, hence my statement about NRS batting 0 for 3.

Oh man that would suck so hard. I'm kind of nervous about fatality friday.

It wouldn't be the end of the world though, because presumably the current awesomeness would become an alternate.

I can't shake the mental image of her breast popping out when she takes a hit and I'm gay. There's an issue when a gay guy can see that happening. What's the point of making her with so much sex appeal when there's usually a 50/50 shot of her getting disembowled at the end of a fight? Like how hot is that?

Yah awesome she has D cups and a tiny vest covering them with NO bra what so ever! Awwwww sweet Nightwolf just cut off her head! That is sooooo hot!

If this were any other fighting game I MAY see this as acceptable, but the way I look at it, this is a story where their lives are at stake if they lose, and I cannot see a woman dressing like that in such a scenario. If you're fighting to the death you're not going to go into combat with heels and a vest 2 times too small. I don't care if it's just a game, this is a far stretch even for mortal kombat.

At least Sheeva in MK3 was justified since she was from another realm where maybe they enjoy letting the girls hang free, but Sonya is from Earth, and if tomorrow you saw a woman dressed like that just walking down the street 90% of us would assume something negative about her.

So like I said, yeah great she's hot. At this point that's all she is. I don't see her being a competitive fighter dressed like that and I just can't take the character seriously dressed like that.

Look.

I never minded the midriff. I didn't mind the skin-tight pants. I didn't even mind the thong or the navel piercing.

But these stiletto heels are just ridiculous. Ask any woman you know - for the most part,these things are the fucking opposite of comfortable. It's hard enough to just walk around and maintain your balance in these,much less chase around international criminals and fight to your death in fucking martial arts tournaments. You'd be crippling yourself. It'd actually be more comfortable and less detrimental to your health to fight barefoot. That's what any reasonable person would do.

And Sonya is more than just a reasonable person. She's in the fucking military. Not that just,she's a high-ranking officer in an elite military unit. You don't get that far in the army by making wardrobe decisions that can get you fucking killed. We don't even need to know anything about her actual character or personality beyond that to understand that she must be a very practical person and there's no way she would ever wear something like that on duty.

Actually,I just thought of a way.

If she was undercover as a hooker while trying to get close to Kano and didn't really have the time to change beyond throwing her vest on,then I'd buy it.

And you know,one of the main reasons I rage about this is her MKSM outfit. That design was pure perfection on so many levels. It boggles my mind to think that after creating something so wonderful they'd take two fucking steps back.

I don't think anyone wants 1:1 reality or generic military armyman gear anymore than they want a conservative nuns habit. That's seeing an opposing opinion and ascribing the stark opposite to your own, rather than what most critics have been discussing, which is it's miscommunication of the character's origins, the clashing with existing characterization, and for some such as myself, just the sheer blandness of the design.

I don't think anyone wants absolute stark reality, but something that shows a character prepared for the job she supposedly has would be nice to see in these enlightened times. A design that respects and embellishes the practical strengths of the character, and reflects a vocationally oriented character, one who hasn't been especially sexualized in the past, and has no reason to be moving forward. More popular examples have come from references like Resident Evil, or Ghost in the Shell. Stylized, but with some legitimacy to them.

Holy.... Let me get some fuckin popcorn.. BrB!

That didn't sound harsh or blunt. Also there are frequently multiple threads with similar or the same conversations going on.

Imagine her vest gets destroyed and her boobs are censored i bet most of these guys would have a heart attack.

Right when the vest falls of holy sh***! It would be a turn off if it was blurred out but it would be funnny at the same time.

Yeah, for like, a couple minutes... then they get closed for that very reason. So again, there you go.



LoL, you know I really hope clothing damage on Sonya isn't high like in MKDC, because she IS showing more up top than in that game... so if her vest gets ripped to shreds, that'll be overkill with the sexuality, even for an MK-liberal like me. I hope her damage is mostly tears in her pants, maybe a cut or two on the vest (no shreds or pieces hanging off). Or maybe she breaks a heel and then doesn't move correctly the rest of the fight.

Before I even begin to write anything, I've gotta say:

@Bloodfang, @Galardor, @Leo, @Razor...you guys freaking rock. I've read all your posts and opinions and I bow to you all. Good job.



Well said. And why would you expect me to kill you? lol. I personally feel that this might be the best Sonya ever. I like it a lot. MKvsDC is still my favorite Sonya, for now, until I see gameplay videos and HQ pictures of 2011 Sonya to make a final decision.

In terms of costumes and look, yeah, I think this Sonya is better than MKvsDC, but, not by too far. MKvsDC had some memorable things that are missing in this new one (the shirt, the gloves) and that actually inspired this new design (her bangs, the sexy pants, the straps).



You said:

"Slut and whore might not be my go-to phrase of reference, but I think for all intents and purposes it's a fair enough shorthand for what most people seem to be trying to express."

I guess the same thing applies to the "futuristic" buzzword.



Wonderful. Thank you so much!



That would be hilarious.



You do make very valid points.

Like Crow has stated though, I think it's mostly about "a look that's unfitting for a character" and not so much about "conservatism". And I agree with him.

Even so, I can't help but LOL when some people overreact about just a little bit of cleavage. The render in high quality and the gameplay screenshots clearly show that Sonya doesn't reveal as much as that tiny picture made it seem she did. She's not showing as much as other females and she's still pretty well covered up in comparison.

I'm still against the problem that she has no shirt mainly because it's stupid they didn't give her one for the sake of sexing up her character. It's annoying as hell. I still agree with the majority that she really needs one to complete her design, but, I don't agree with the minority who rush to call her a "slut" and overreact about a bit of boobs. I mean, really?

In the end, she's been modeled and designed in a very sexy + badass way. She has the military theme going on with the vest and the pants, but it's mostly about Sonya looking badass and sexy...as it always has been. People are acting so shocked is hilarious, but, that doesn't mean I support the lack of a shirt and the heels.



Garlador, I wish I could quote and respond to every single one of your posts, but, that would pretty much take forever to do and it would add a few extra pages to this thread.

So, I'm just going to say that you are awesome and that I seriously love reading all our thoughts and opinions. You always have something to say and you always back it up with solid evidence (even when not required). I might not agree with some things you've said, but, you express yourself in such excellent ways that I simply enjoy reading everything you write. Overall, I agree with almost all of your thoughts and opinions.



She really is a stunner. But, I don't know why some people act surprised. She was smoking hot in MKvsDC (render "issue" aside). This Sonya has almost the exact same face as she did in MKvsDC. The only difference is that this render softened her features to resemble her MKvsDC in-game look/model instead of making her butch and pissed-off like in the render.

Also, this costume is a billion times more fitting for her than the ones she had during this portion of the MK Timeline. This one actually has a military theme going on (as insufficient or unrealistic as it may seem to some of you guys) unlike the "gym-like" outfits she had in MK1 and MK3. This costume is far more appropriate for Sonya in this timeline that what she had before.

Also, I doubt she will get "something crazy" for an alternate considering she's never had "crazy alternates" in the past.

While I would "understand" if they make her alternate a "bikini-like" costume, I would still erupt in rage and drama considering that would be crossing the line for Miss Sonya Blade.



Your comment about having a crush on Sonya was very cute.

Anyway, awesome post. You make perfectly valid points. I also LOL at how some people overreact that she is not dressed according to her job when she's never really been presented like that before. In MK4 onward she started to feature the "special agent"/"military" theme in her design, but, it was beaver 100% accurate to reality and to what some people expect/want her to be.

I for one am very happy they are playing mostly with the fantasy elements in her design.

However, I have to say that even though I feel this way I totally agree with Mick's quote:



His point nails my main reasons against the costume. Simply put: the bare-chest is stupid and boring because it was made only to over-sexualize her character and it took away design possibilitues. It is completely unnecessary.

The fact that an interesting color or pretty shirt covering her parts would not only make it more fitting for Sonya but also a more interesting design is what really pisses me off. So, yeah, I agree with Mick's view.



A huge glass of kool-aid, lol.

But, seriously, it's been months of speculation and random little "clues" and "hints" about her all over the place that it was really about time they revealed her.

At first I was surprised they revealed Jax at GTTV considering there were absolutely no clues about him before, but, after re watching the "MK Shadows Trailer" you can clearly tell that one of those shadows was actually 2011 Jax.

Anyway, Hans Lo replied to me saying they know about this thread and that they've been reading the forums even though they haven't commented anywhere about it. It should be twitted to them once again.

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Well said.

And inside the realm of Mortal Kombat, she's still among the most modest and respectable looking of the entire half naked bunch.

As long as Sonya is covering herself and fighting in pants (or shorts *here's hope*) I'm not just ready to go drop the bomb at NRS. I know this is the most she's ever revealed, but, after looking at the screenshots and HQ render you can tell is not that much.



Quoted for truth.

Sonya looks brilliant. Also, she still looks a lot more fitting for her role than she did back in MK1-MK3, so, I do think some people overreact.

I actually understand the "heels" complains more then the "chest" complains, mainly because she is not showing that much boobs. Her cleavage is respectable even if its too much for Sonya, imo. In the end, if one had to stay I would totally keep the heels in order to get her a glorious well fitting tight shirt (a red one like Keith's design wool be glorious).



Again, you totally rock with your posts.

I agree with everything except that little but about her sexiness.

I'm one of the fans who like it to be a subtle hint of what might be. I don't like the bare-chest mainly because it was done to sex up her character and to make her more sexy where it wasn't even necessary. Sonya would look even sexier with the subtly she's always shown. Remember Keith's red edit of Sonya?>

It's crazy how a shirt under the vest can actually make her look more in character and more sexy than how she looks in the official render.



Thank you.

Also, please don't apologize for making such an awesome and glorious post full of energy. I actually wish there were more analytical posters like you around. You did a fantastic job!



Exactly.



While I pretty much agree with most of your comments regarding the females and your view on their outfits, I just have to say that your last comparison is unfair and doesn't apply to Sonya at all:

"Jill Valentine doesn't run around killing zombies in a bikini".......well, yeah, but, neither does Sonya.

It's really not like she is showing as much as some people like to say (bikini). But, yeah, it doesn't seem fitting for her to be without shirt.



And you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. Stop trolling, please.



Er, the only thing different about the bangs is that they don't seem to be covering half of her face in the render and in the select screen...but that's only because of her pose. The bangs are clearly the same in style, so, I don't get what you think is so different about them.

Overall, this Sonya (face. body) looks almost exactly like the one in MKvsDC in-game. I don't see what's so different.

As for her costume, its good. But yes, it could be a billion times better with a shirt. That's my complain.



You make it sound like it's negative and exaggerated.

Rampant Sonya fanboyism, popularity, and other extra little sugary things FTW!



Exactly.

There's still a lot more to learn about Sonya before getting into rushed conclusions. If she still acts like the tough, serious business, in-your-face, impulsive, independent, feminist, caring, and sarcastic Sonya that we all know and love, i will be in heaven.



Yes, but, she is not fighting in a bikini. That's why there's still so many arguments going on.



And don't forget she looked gorgeous in story mode. Not just tough and SRS BZNSS.



Leo, I wouldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for that glorious response.

I just think its unfair to be called out in such negative way for liking something others don't like (who are not even a majority).

I pretty much agree with most people that I'd rather see a shirt on Sonya 'cause it fits her better and gets her more in character than how she currently looks. But, just because I'm not throwing thunders from the heavens ramping about how "she is not military enough" (cause I couldn't care less since she looks great) doesn't make my view any less than the other one.





Who knew Mortal Kombat fans were all about "Fashion Contests".



Exactly.



You know, I agree with you to an extent.

I don't mind the heels because of the same reasons others before me don't mind them: It looks sexy, fun, and I can buy it's believable.

But, if I had the option to let them go I would, mainly because I think that her regular combat boots fit her better (no heels attached!).

Same as the shirt / lack of it. While she looks great and all, her design could truly benefit from a shirt because it would give us more to look at, but, mainly because it suits Sonya better.

Regarding her MKSM, yes, I too thought it was amazing, but, in all honesty I like this one a thousand times better (except for the heels).




LOL. Well said.

I doubt this is a "beta-build" for Sonya, but, I can hope they will consider the shirt. I don't mind the heels as much as the shirt, even though I feel like the heels are more unfitting for her than being without something under the tight sexy vest.

Except not. I don't even feel like arguing this and you seem like a mature guy so lets agree to disagree XD.

How riveting. My personal opinion is the same as yours. I really could not careless about the exact number of nanometers Sonya's heels should be because when you are playing the game that is the last thing you think about. I care more about actual gameplay.

God lol at this thread


I would like to way that the Sonya "reveal" wasnt even an official release. That costume she has on could very well be her alternate

it's not her real outfit... she's dressed undercover as a hooker.

A hooker with a badge pinned right on her vest?

I just hate the heels, especially since all three female characters have them on, but maybe they just don't have any other female foot models right now.

Damn I missed whatever was in that thread that is now locked. Wonder if it was anything new.

I actually went out and bought GAMES TM. Pretty sweet magazine. All the pics are available online now, so there's no point in me scanning. Just as well because it would just mean locked thread and misery.

Screens look really good. As well as Sonya's new look, Nightwolf looks awesome too.

Games TM Magazine?

Do they feature Sonya in exactly the same way/screenshots we've already seen scanned? Or are there any new pics (you mention Nightwolf, so, I'm curious).

What does the preview say about MK or the Sonya reveal? Thanks!

Article doesn't contain character specific info. Is about more general system / design stuff. I'm a bit hazy with what's already confirmed and not, but the bit where it says that DLC "don't just include alternative costumes, but altogether new characters" was news to me.

As for screens, it has 3 of the 4 screens from the Russian magazine, plus one with Sonya beating down Cage, and another with Kitana, Cyrax vs Scorpion. I think these have been posted since.

@Queve, I in turn bow to you for your kind words and well just all around awesomeness. I actually agree with ALOT of what Crow and Mick-Lucifer say there is just a lot of miscommunications/misunderstandings of intent or something between us after some of our posts.

Sonya (as a beloved MK Icon) DOES deserve a t-shirt under the vest and no heels as that would make the costume better fit her character (in fact if it had those two things I think she would look absolutely perfect). Sonya (again as a beloved, iconic character) DOESN'T deserve to be called a hooker or other things simply for how she is dressed. That was really my only point I was trying to argue but I guess most people only read it as me going on a liberal-agenda fueled tirade instead of simply being annoyed at people's use of "terms" you would expect to hear from an uptight uber-conservative ready to burn a young woman at the stake over her low cut top then a concerned fan who feels that the costume doesn't live up to their expectations because they don't think someone of Sonya's background and personality would wear a vest without a shirt under it, LOL.

Either way I agree with the consensus on Sonya (not so much on Kitana/Mileenna but that isn't totally relevant at this time) but I see no reason for the abusive terminology being necessary to even "short hand" something that could be summed up by "That's not the direction I would've taken.", "I don't like it." or even "I hate it.", "It sucks". or "Add a t-shirt and kill the heels, maybe even add a few gadgets/gear OR something to spice it up a little more and yeah you nailed Sonya."

And "futuristic" is a perfectly suitable way to describe members of an organization that uses Inter-dimensional Portals (post MK3 anyway so yeah they don't have it YET), Energy-based weapons (or super-powers), Advanced Cybernetics, and similar Uber-Hi-Tech gear in a time period where the rest of the world has modern but not that level of advanced technologies. Even Post-MK3 after they get INVADED the rest of their world has cars and subways but this organization gains access to time/space portals, etc. That's "futuristic" relative to the rest of their/our society's capabilities. So yeah... Sonya and Jax are futuristic soldiers compared to... Stryker who, after helping to save ALL of Earthrealm, STILL probably drives the same broken and rusty Ford that he's had since high school. Slutty whore in hooker gear is NOT.