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LycaniLLusion
06/14/2011 04:23 PM (UTC)
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ultimatesavage Wrote:
Our character are meant to be original. This is another thing the judges will be looking out for.


No offense but there is no need to state the obvious lol. I asked because if people can fill in the blanks than whats to stop them from adding things in? I am sure some would try to change anything just to get votes.
I was going to promote voting for mine by telling everyone my canon story and showing a secret Alt costume if I win lol. I have not started on the art yet and no promises but I have the story....but as I said before I will show it anyway if everyone wants to even read it. The extra alt I might fail to produce but I have time so no ruling it out yet. The description is in the worksheet anyways though.
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Harle
06/14/2011 04:26 PM (UTC)
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Every character is going to be influenced by something out side of their creator's own brain... Mine was influenced by Fiona Apple, hehehehehe......
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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 04:26 PM (UTC)
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Sindra Wrote:
zerosebaz Wrote:
Because crow and I might have a diferent view on things. He doesnt care if the bio is a short story told in the perspective of another charachter but i do. I want the charachters to fit in the game, if you managed to make a charachter that is on a posible mk10 timeline but still fits, then great you might have my vote, but i really can't think of an example for it.



That's fair. That's all I ask is take everything into consideration. Having my kharacter appear post-MK9 was a risk due to the possibility of everyone not liking my fan speculation on how a MK10 timeline might be, but I trusted my knowledge of current canon characters of the series and their characterization, as well as what I think fans would want to see for a future game, and am now leaving it up to fate. Hopefully, I did well with it, and I hope everyone enjoys my take on things.

And also the beauty of having a thread to talk about kharacter voting, too. Anything that's not explained about a kharacter in their bio page (due to be too lengthy or simply things the creators hadn't thought of) gives more room to flesh things out. further.



I know what you mean. I'll have to wait until i see it. I took some risks too with De Kai & De Kiô, but i think i did the best i could with them.
Its really great to have a thread where you can explain things a bit more, sadly the time to send updates has finished, because some days after the 7 i came up with some great ideas, but it was already too late :P
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06/14/2011 04:27 PM (UTC)
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I understand that it's almost impossible to create something 100% original. But when a comparison overtakes the story and it's characters look and feel, All I can do is wince. I do feel like I have been poked in the eyes.
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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 04:28 PM (UTC)
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Harle Wrote:
Every character is going to be influenced by something out side of their creator's own brain... Mine was influenced by Fiona Apple, hehehehehe......


Then i bet she is great!

:D
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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 04:34 PM (UTC)
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ultimatesavage Wrote:
I understand that it's almost impossible to create something 100% original. But when a comparison overtakes the story and it's characters look and feel, All I can do is wince. I do feel like I have been poked in the eyes.


Yeah, i'm not saying copying is ok, jaja. But some resembles are bound to happen :P
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Harle
06/14/2011 04:36 PM (UTC)
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^^

Indeed!

@ultimatesavage: Of course. I'm just hoping everyone won't be too picky about it. Critics can be so nitpicky that they completely dissect a character based around small flaws and forever ruin their own perspective on that character... That is exactly what I see happening. I like to look at these characters with lowered standards, just because I know the vast majority of them will be below those standards and will be very derivative of already existing characters. That is the grading curve we're on, those who deliver the generic better than others will survive, and those that are truly original will win. Of course, there's always a chance that the truly original will be forgotten by virtue of not being familiar enough.
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Dave Savage
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06/14/2011 04:36 PM (UTC)
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Just saying some comparisons have overtaken the concept more than others...
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eliblue
06/14/2011 04:59 PM (UTC)
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eliblue Wrote:
Okay UltimateSavage, I get it. However I do have to agree with a comment above that it is a little bit odd that Alexandra seems to be in almost all of your commments. Not once have you said anything good. All you've doneis pointed out the canon's flaws..only MINE. You say that it is to help but it ISN'T to help. Wecant change any part of the story now. If you have your opinion, that's great. Stick to it and stand by it. What I don't like is how you're trying to bash only my character on here to make everyone aware of itm you DON'T have to. People on here are smarter than you think. And when it comes to voting, I could care less how you vote Alexandra. All I'm asking is that you stop discrediting my character because of one minor flaw in your eyes that may have not been one at all. You've been targeting her for a few pages now and it starting to get annoying. All you've said is negativity, and by chance, only about my character. I get exactly how you feel about her. Now please, if you have a heart, leave me and my character alone. I've received enough critiscm from you. Do you have something against her if you're going to talk about her that much??


Eli I understand how you feel but if you keep bringing the topic to surface it will keep going. You should let it rest. Remember it is just 1 opinion so try to calm down because he may not be the only critc that has things to say. Remember it is a contest after all. Plus,I am new to these contest but I would be careful filling in your story line because it may go against rules or something. Not sure about it but I would think that if your character has been posted already you can not add to it or change anything. I know your trying to explain things but is that allowed?

Wow,all the years I been a lurker I never started reading into these tournaments. Someone fill me in on this...is explaining things allowed or no?
lol I am a noob.


Good point. You're right. It is just ONE opinion. The only positive thing out of this is she getting publicity that's it. I get he means well, but he states his opinions quite bluntly. You're right, I'll just let it slide. That conversation is over. At least I hope. And to answer your question wheteher explaining your character is allowed or not....look in the rules and guidelines.....does it say that? No. And besides, ultimate savage stated a big flaw in the story canon as if he wanted an answer, so of course I'm going to EXPLAIN myself. Anyone who's character was on the spot would try to explain their theories, reasons, etc. behind what may be a flaw. I'm not going to just let my character be discredited by a confusion or by something that needs clarification.Now of course, only the final draft can be judged, the one that's on the website, however I still can clarify confusion. Me and ultimatesavage already talked about it, the whole elder gods being blinded by their own dilemna and like you said...we'll just let this conversation fade away as its drawn out. Thanks
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Harle
06/14/2011 05:12 PM (UTC)
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Is the voting supposed to start today?
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Espio872
06/14/2011 05:13 PM (UTC)
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Harle Wrote:
Is the voting supposed to start today?


I believe Crow said this afternoon at some point.
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Harle
06/14/2011 05:25 PM (UTC)
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Well cool beans then.

There will be bloooood. With extra o's for intensity.
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LycaniLLusion
06/14/2011 05:32 PM (UTC)
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eliblue Wrote:
LycaniLLusion Wrote:
eliblue Wrote:
Okay UltimateSavage, I get it. However I do have to agree with a comment above that it is a little bit odd that Alexandra seems to be in almost all of your commments. Not once have you said anything good. All you've doneis pointed out the canon's flaws..only MINE. You say that it is to help but it ISN'T to help. Wecant change any part of the story now. If you have your opinion, that's great. Stick to it and stand by it. What I don't like is how you're trying to bash only my character on here to make everyone aware of itm you DON'T have to. People on here are smarter than you think. And when it comes to voting, I could care less how you vote Alexandra. All I'm asking is that you stop discrediting my character because of one minor flaw in your eyes that may have not been one at all. You've been targeting her for a few pages now and it starting to get annoying. All you've said is negativity, and by chance, only about my character. I get exactly how you feel about her. Now please, if you have a heart, leave me and my character alone. I've received enough critiscm from you. Do you have something against her if you're going to talk about her that much??


Eli I understand how you feel but if you keep bringing the topic to surface it will keep going. You should let it rest. Remember it is just 1 opinion so try to calm down because he may not be the only critc that has things to say. Remember it is a contest after all. Plus,I am new to these contest but I would be careful filling in your story line because it may go against rules or something. Not sure about it but I would think that if your character has been posted already you can not add to it or change anything. I know your trying to explain things but is that allowed?

Wow,all the years I been a lurker I never started reading into these tournaments. Someone fill me in on this...is explaining things allowed or no?
lol I am a noob.


Good point. You're right. It is just ONE opinion. The only positive thing out of this is she getting publicity that's it. I get he means well, but he states his opinions quite bluntly. You're right, I'll just let it slide. That conversation is over. At least I hope. And to answer your question wheteher explaining your character is allowed or not....look in the rules and guidelines.....does it say that? No. And besides, ultimate savage stated a big flaw in the story canon as if he wanted an answer, so of course I'm going to EXPLAIN myself. Anyone who's character was on the spot would try to explain their theories, reasons, etc. behind what may be a flaw. I'm not going to just let my character be discredited by a confusion or by something that needs clarification.Now of course, only the final draft can be judged, the one that's on the website, however I still can clarify confusion. Me and ultimatesavage already talked about it, the whole elder gods being blinded by their own dilemna and like you said...we'll just let this conversation fade away as its drawn out. Thanks


No need for thanks. I appreciate the clarification on explaining things. So would that mean I am allowed to show my original bio/story/ending in gameplay form while my character has been posted rather than wait before the event is over? I know people will see my entry and say that the bio is not really a bio...which it is not really. I did not enter the whole thing because of the length and plus I wanted mystery as a factor. The thing is if I post it...it may effect voting and I don't know if that would be fair to others or myself.
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06/14/2011 06:06 PM (UTC)
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LycaniLLusion Wrote:
eliblue Wrote:
LycaniLLusion Wrote:
eliblue Wrote:
Okay UltimateSavage, I get it. However I do have to agree with a comment above that it is a little bit odd that Alexandra seems to be in almost all of your commments. Not once have you said anything good. All you've doneis pointed out the canon's flaws..only MINE. You say that it is to help but it ISN'T to help. Wecant change any part of the story now. If you have your opinion, that's great. Stick to it and stand by it. What I don't like is how you're trying to bash only my character on here to make everyone aware of itm you DON'T have to. People on here are smarter than you think. And when it comes to voting, I could care less how you vote Alexandra. All I'm asking is that you stop discrediting my character because of one minor flaw in your eyes that may have not been one at all. You've been targeting her for a few pages now and it starting to get annoying. All you've said is negativity, and by chance, only about my character. I get exactly how you feel about her. Now please, if you have a heart, leave me and my character alone. I've received enough critiscm from you. Do you have something against her if you're going to talk about her that much??


Eli I understand how you feel but if you keep bringing the topic to surface it will keep going. You should let it rest. Remember it is just 1 opinion so try to calm down because he may not be the only critc that has things to say. Remember it is a contest after all. Plus,I am new to these contest but I would be careful filling in your story line because it may go against rules or something. Not sure about it but I would think that if your character has been posted already you can not add to it or change anything. I know your trying to explain things but is that allowed?

Wow,all the years I been a lurker I never started reading into these tournaments. Someone fill me in on this...is explaining things allowed or no?
lol I am a noob.


Good point. You're right. It is just ONE opinion. The only positive thing out of this is she getting publicity that's it. I get he means well, but he states his opinions quite bluntly. You're right, I'll just let it slide. That conversation is over. At least I hope. And to answer your question wheteher explaining your character is allowed or not....look in the rules and guidelines.....does it say that? No. And besides, ultimate savage stated a big flaw in the story canon as if he wanted an answer, so of course I'm going to EXPLAIN myself. Anyone who's character was on the spot would try to explain their theories, reasons, etc. behind what may be a flaw. I'm not going to just let my character be discredited by a confusion or by something that needs clarification.Now of course, only the final draft can be judged, the one that's on the website, however I still can clarify confusion. Me and ultimatesavage already talked about it, the whole elder gods being blinded by their own dilemna and like you said...we'll just let this conversation fade away as its drawn out. Thanks


No need for thanks. I appreciate the clarification on explaining things. So would that mean I am allowed to show my original bio/story/ending in gameplay form while my character has been posted rather than wait before the event is over? I know people will see my entry and say that the bio is not really a bio...which it is not really. I did not enter the whole thing because of the length and plus I wanted mystery as a factor. The thing is if I post it...it may effect voting and I don't know if that would be fair to others or myself.


That's sorta the same boat I'm in as well...My bio and ending have mystery elements to them that I'm not sure if people will fully understand....but if they DO realize what's going on with my character, I think it will be much more exciting than if I just spelled everything out to begin with...
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06/14/2011 06:47 PM (UTC)
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The voting topic is live until the end of tomorrow. Click here.
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eliblue
06/14/2011 06:59 PM (UTC)
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This is to Lycan iLLusion: hmmmm not sure..but I mean if there's a BIG confusion that everyones pointing out, you should explain yourself so people aren't confused. That's what most people would do if their story needs a little clarification. What's your characters name? :)
Remember that time I promised to go through all of the 13 entrants and give constructive feedback? Yeah, seems like stuff like that takes a bit of time. So I've got through more than half so I'll post these now, and then the other 6 later. I've done them in alphabetical order.

Adsler:

Pros:
- Grim Reaper figure not really explored in MK universe so it’s a good angle.
- Strong description and realization of character: death masks, graceful female vessel, bones shifting inside
- Inside-Out Lunge is a cool move, would love to know what her innards look like though
- Very cool picture but it’s too small: I want to see more of the details!
- Fatality 1 is a good concept. Might want to explain how the camera captures all the details though.
- Ending short but it gives Adsler a future conflict. Not just, and then everything was solved.

Cons:
- Ancient race that is incredibly spiritual stereotype + Murians are mentioned once and then ignored. Would like a little more background.
- MK Universe already has a place for the dead, a heaven and hell. Neatherrealm is that place. You propose an even earlier resting spot for the dead. How does that take into account the realm of the Elder Gods, etc. Being an ancient race feels like a cop out.
- Physical description is overloaded and repetitive. Can be cut down. Adsler is compared to alabaster, artificial life, marble and a statue. Take out extraneous details like the tongue. Not used in a move, is it really necessary? Same can be said with the geometric angle you’ve chosen. Too many ideas.
- Rest of moveset and x-ray need some spicing up. What bones are being crunched in x-ray for example?
- Fatality 1 and 2 are too much the same.
- “The Order of Death has been corrected” after a victory. There is no death, no fatality. How have things been corrected?
- The word ‘lounge’ is used instead of the word ‘lunge’ twice and really sticks out

Alexandra:

Pros:
- Betrayal and conflicting feelings of motherland is a strong conflict
- Her role as a dumb-slaving gathering information is smart. I can see Kahn ranting to his slave girls about everything.
- Cool fighting style of gladiator type combat with Pankration even though the grapples and pressure points are underutilized
- Piano Fingers is a cool move but saying every pressure point is extreme and save the bone breaking for x-rays
- X-ray is a good showing of her gladiatorial ways. Especially like the shield hits.
- I like how she turns away the opportunity to be a hero in her ending. Greece is not a Monarchy though.

Cons:
- Timeline and Kahn’s ability to invade Earthrealm must be clarified. I read the bio many times and still could only guess when these events were supposed to take place. Paragraphs and editing down the bio would help. Also keep in mind that the first three games are set around our time and that Kahn was in place to conquer Earth 500 years ago before the Great Kung Lao foiled him. Also keep in mind the restrictions put on Kahn for invasion.
- Peter does not sound like an ancient Greek name. Petrus is the Greek equivalent.
- Already been brought up, but give a reason for Kahn focusing on mainly Greece. Maybe that’s where the portal opens from Outworld and where he starts.
- Kahn conquered Edenia, killed many and still took Kitana as his daughter. Why would he not do the same with Greece and Alexandra? Maybe use her divine beauty as a reason. I felt the Aphrodite angle was underutilized but had a lot of potential.
- The ghost training her and bringing her equipment didn’t feel right. Ghosts usually hang around a short period to give revelations. Maybe have the father show her where her people’s armour and weaponry are held within Kahn’s fortress and have her learn her battle skills from ancient instincts and watching many Mortal Kombat tournaments.
- Too many moves and too many similar moves (two projectiles, two sword slashes)
- Do not use notes after your bio. Work it into the story. And the fact that she absolutely only kills when necessary is contradictory to everything MK.
- Fatality 1 should kill opponent with the bear hug. More gruesome and interesting.

Bachi Li:

Pros:
- Guardians of Colour is an interesting idea. How the colour purple could be harnessed as powers (ie the colour red gives fire and rage poweres) should be explored more.
- Aikido is a good choice for complimentary fighting style for Bachi.
- Purple Rage is cool move, especially the enhanced version. I think 20-40 orbs are too many though.
- Fatality 2 has potential. If you feel that the power of purple is good for summoning weapons, you should expand on that more.
- I like the humour you try and put in with the ending taunt. However, the smiley in message does not fit the character at all.

Cons:
- Bachi Li does not sound like a Japanese name.
- His story needs to be fleshed out more. Why was he sent to Orderrealm for judgment? Why does Raiden, Liu Kang and Kung Lao suddenly befriend him? What about the other Guardians of Colour? It’d be interesting to hear about them.
- The theme of purple is too overbearing in his costume. It’s also strange that a Guardian of Colour is wearing jeans. Get rid of the question marks when describing the Japanese words and definitely get rid of the description of the character in MK Armageddon and Soul Calibur. It detracts from your description.
- Most of the moves are over-complicated and have way too many hits. Try to think of moves unique to the power of purple. The naming of moves also doesn’t correspond to what they do.
- The beast within Bachi only mentioned a few times but has a major role in his ending and is one of his fatalities. Explore it more in the ending.
- Speaking of the ending, it needs to be tightened. How can he go back to his village if he’s 5000 years old? There’s a lot of repetition and it needs to be edited down.

Clyde:

Pros:
- Straight-forward character
- Nice and brutal, dirty fighting is used well.
- Fatality 2 is creative and suits the character to a tee. One of my favourites out of the 13 char
- Ending, if meant to be humourous, is funny. The gratuitous image of him standing on a mountain of bodies is so over the top that it makes me giggle.

Cons:
- Straight-forward character. Not much too him.
- Voodoo is mentioned but none of his moves take advantage of this.
- How did he kill 50 people and not get caught? Has more of a thug persona rather than criminal genius.
- Stryker never entered the Mortal Kombat tournament. He was dragged into the fight when Shao Kahn invaded in MK3.
- Moves and x-ray all sound the same. Crotch kick, choke, etc. Needs some variety.
- Ending, if meant to be taken seriously, does not work.

Eternus:

Pros:
- I love the metal armlets and anklets in his primary costume pic.
- Familiar moves make him a character that is easy to imagine playing as.
- Story is accessible, not overly complicated
- Fatalities are clever, but they could be reworded and edited a bit. I had to read both of them a few times to picture them.

Cons:
- His story is too simplistic. There’s nothing that makes him stand out.
- Being a mishmash of other characters (Scorpion, Shang-Tsung, Quan Chi) limits Eternus from having his own voice. Again, he just doesn’t stand out.
- If King Jerrod is his father, then Kitana would be his sister or half-sister. How does she feel about his existence? Why isn’t she mentioned in his bio or ending?
- Moves and x-ray should be named and should have a theme that make Eternus unique. It’s good to have takes on classic specials, but give them a little something more

Kimya:


Pros:
- Nice to have some representation from a place we haven’t really seen in MK, Africa
- Interesting mix of animal powers and Capoeira fighting style.
- Snake Trap move has potential and is unique
- The Swahili names used give more flavor to the character, wish you had a few more
- Has an animality as a fatality. Wish you had done more with the talking to animals theme.

Con:
- Animals do use body language to communicate but there are a lot of instances where they need to use their voices. Maybe have Kimya have a telepathic bond with the animals to get around this.
- Go into further detail of why he was selected by the Elder Gods to go to Orderrealm? Elaborate more on the incident with his family and Quan Chi. Same with his relationship with Hotaru. Everything is just so vague and not captivating.
- Kimya is too much of an African Tribesman stereotype: connection with nature, spiritual, dreads, covered with ancient tattoos, uses simple tools (the stake).
- Too many small details and none of them feel fleshed out. Mainly having no mouth and the communication with animals, knowing sign language. I’d say pick one or two and expand on them.
- Moveset doesn’t have anything special to it. Develop more moves that incorporate animals perhaps.

Komodo:

Pros:
- Strong character, feels like they would fit into the Mortal Kombat universe.
- Very interesting moveset that feels unique and would be very cool to use
- The switching of gender roles from the male to the female (male hides where females stalks) is a nice twist
- While the ending felt like one for Khameleon or Chameleon, the ambiguousness of what Komodo needs from Reptile leaves me wanting to know what it is.
- Great x-ray and some of the best fatalities of the 13 Entrants.

Cons:
- The bio is strong as a piece of fanfiction but like someone already said, it doesn’t quite work as an MK intro. Who is this rare collector of species? How does he fit into everything? Was he killed? He definitely didn’t feel like he fit MK.
- Description makes him/her a clone of Reptile/Chameleon/Khameleon but I think is saved a little by the whole changing sexes
- Again, ending could be more original.
- We don’t really know a lot about the creature. Does he/she talk? I he/she just a wild beast trying to survive?
- Moves, while cool, get a little complicated with only one gender being able to perform them (I think) and stuff like the screen flashing black or the opponent becoming poisoned.
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06/14/2011 10:15 PM (UTC)
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51) Oksana (Riyakou)
This really cracks me up, since this could also be finnish. It would mean "as a twig". :D But yeah.


Oksana is Russian, actually.

I named her after one of my closest friends, who in fact happens to be from Russia.

There's also a figure skater named Oksana Baiul, who's also Russian.
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Harle
06/14/2011 11:27 PM (UTC)
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Sooo.... All sections included, my character information is roughly twice, maybe three times as long as all of the ones we've seen so far.......... Here's hoping it's a good read! Hehehehe....
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06/15/2011 12:58 AM (UTC)
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Harle Wrote:
Sooo.... All sections included, my character information is roughly twice, maybe three times as long as all of the ones we've seen so far.......... Here's hoping it's a good read! Hehehehe....


TL;DR

lolol As long as its good its all hood
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eliblue
06/15/2011 01:16 AM (UTC)
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Ab_Horrence Wrote:
Remember that time I promised to go through all of the 13 entrants and give constructive feedback? Yeah, seems like stuff like that takes a bit of time. So I've got through more than half so I'll post these now, and then the other 6 later. I've done them in alphabetical order.

Adsler:

Pros:
- Grim Reaper figure not really explored in MK universe so it’s a good angle.
- Strong description and realization of character: death masks, graceful female vessel, bones shifting inside
- Inside-Out Lunge is a cool move, would love to know what her innards look like though
- Very cool picture but it’s too small: I want to see more of the details!
- Fatality 1 is a good concept. Might want to explain how the camera captures all the details though.
- Ending short but it gives Adsler a future conflict. Not just, and then everything was solved.

Cons:
- Ancient race that is incredibly spiritual stereotype + Murians are mentioned once and then ignored. Would like a little more background.
- MK Universe already has a place for the dead, a heaven and hell. Neatherrealm is that place. You propose an even earlier resting spot for the dead. How does that take into account the realm of the Elder Gods, etc. Being an ancient race feels like a cop out.
- Physical description is overloaded and repetitive. Can be cut down. Adsler is compared to alabaster, artificial life, marble and a statue. Take out extraneous details like the tongue. Not used in a move, is it really necessary? Same can be said with the geometric angle you’ve chosen. Too many ideas.
- Rest of moveset and x-ray need some spicing up. What bones are being crunched in x-ray for example?
- Fatality 1 and 2 are too much the same.
- “The Order of Death has been corrected” after a victory. There is no death, no fatality. How have things been corrected?
- The word ‘lounge’ is used instead of the word ‘lunge’ twice and really sticks out

Alexandra:

Pros:
- Betrayal and conflicting feelings of motherland is a strong conflict
- Her role as a dumb-slaving gathering information is smart. I can see Kahn ranting to his slave girls about everything.
- Cool fighting style of gladiator type combat with Pankration even though the grapples and pressure points are underutilized
- Piano Fingers is a cool move but saying every pressure point is extreme and save the bone breaking for x-rays
- X-ray is a good showing of her gladiatorial ways. Especially like the shield hits.
- I like how she turns away the opportunity to be a hero in her ending. Greece is not a Monarchy though.

Cons:
- Timeline and Kahn’s ability to invade Earthrealm must be clarified. I read the bio many times and still could only guess when these events were supposed to take place. Paragraphs and editing down the bio would help. Also keep in mind that the first three games are set around our time and that Kahn was in place to conquer Earth 500 years ago before the Great Kung Lao foiled him. Also keep in mind the restrictions put on Kahn for invasion.
- Peter does not sound like an ancient Greek name. Petrus is the Greek equivalent.
- Already been brought up, but give a reason for Kahn focusing on mainly Greece. Maybe that’s where the portal opens from Outworld and where he starts.
- Kahn conquered Edenia, killed many and still took Kitana as his daughter. Why would he not do the same with Greece and Alexandra? Maybe use her divine beauty as a reason. I felt the Aphrodite angle was underutilized but had a lot of potential.
- The ghost training her and bringing her equipment didn’t feel right. Ghosts usually hang around a short period to give revelations. Maybe have the father show her where her people’s armour and weaponry are held within Kahn’s fortress and have her learn her battle skills from ancient instincts and watching many Mortal Kombat tournaments.
- Too many moves and too many similar moves (two projectiles, two sword slashes)
- Do not use notes after your bio. Work it into the story. And the fact that she absolutely only kills when necessary is contradictory to everything MK.
- Fatality 1 should kill opponent with the bear hug. More gruesome and interesting.

Bachi Li:

Pros:
- Guardians of Colour is an interesting idea. How the colour purple could be harnessed as powers (ie the colour red gives fire and rage poweres) should be explored more.
- Aikido is a good choice for complimentary fighting style for Bachi.
- Purple Rage is cool move, especially the enhanced version. I think 20-40 orbs are too many though.
- Fatality 2 has potential. If you feel that the power of purple is good for summoning weapons, you should expand on that more.
- I like the humour you try and put in with the ending taunt. However, the smiley in message does not fit the character at all.

Cons:
- Bachi Li does not sound like a Japanese name.
- His story needs to be fleshed out more. Why was he sent to Orderrealm for judgment? Why does Raiden, Liu Kang and Kung Lao suddenly befriend him? What about the other Guardians of Colour? It’d be interesting to hear about them.
- The theme of purple is too overbearing in his costume. It’s also strange that a Guardian of Colour is wearing jeans. Get rid of the question marks when describing the Japanese words and definitely get rid of the description of the character in MK Armageddon and Soul Calibur. It detracts from your description.
- Most of the moves are over-complicated and have way too many hits. Try to think of moves unique to the power of purple. The naming of moves also doesn’t correspond to what they do.
- The beast within Bachi only mentioned a few times but has a major role in his ending and is one of his fatalities. Explore it more in the ending.
- Speaking of the ending, it needs to be tightened. How can he go back to his village if he’s 5000 years old? There’s a lot of repetition and it needs to be edited down.

Clyde:

Pros:
- Straight-forward character
- Nice and brutal, dirty fighting is used well.
- Fatality 2 is creative and suits the character to a tee. One of my favourites out of the 13 char
- Ending, if meant to be humourous, is funny. The gratuitous image of him standing on a mountain of bodies is so over the top that it makes me giggle.

Cons:
- Straight-forward character. Not much too him.
- Voodoo is mentioned but none of his moves take advantage of this.
- How did he kill 50 people and not get caught? Has more of a thug persona rather than criminal genius.
- Stryker never entered the Mortal Kombat tournament. He was dragged into the fight when Shao Kahn invaded in MK3.
- Moves and x-ray all sound the same. Crotch kick, choke, etc. Needs some variety.
- Ending, if meant to be taken seriously, does not work.

Eternus:

Pros:
- I love the metal armlets and anklets in his primary costume pic.
- Familiar moves make him a character that is easy to imagine playing as.
- Story is accessible, not overly complicated
- Fatalities are clever, but they could be reworded and edited a bit. I had to read both of them a few times to picture them.

Cons:
- His story is too simplistic. There’s nothing that makes him stand out.
- Being a mishmash of other characters (Scorpion, Shang-Tsung, Quan Chi) limits Eternus from having his own voice. Again, he just doesn’t stand out.
- If King Jerrod is his father, then Kitana would be his sister or half-sister. How does she feel about his existence? Why isn’t she mentioned in his bio or ending?
- Moves and x-ray should be named and should have a theme that make Eternus unique. It’s good to have takes on classic specials, but give them a little something more

Kimya:


Pros:
- Nice to have some representation from a place we haven’t really seen in MK, Africa
- Interesting mix of animal powers and Capoeira fighting style.
- Snake Trap move has potential and is unique
- The Swahili names used give more flavor to the character, wish you had a few more
- Has an animality as a fatality. Wish you had done more with the talking to animals theme.

Con:
- Animals do use body language to communicate but there are a lot of instances where they need to use their voices. Maybe have Kimya have a telepathic bond with the animals to get around this.
- Go into further detail of why he was selected by the Elder Gods to go to Orderrealm? Elaborate more on the incident with his family and Quan Chi. Same with his relationship with Hotaru. Everything is just so vague and not captivating.
- Kimya is too much of an African Tribesman stereotype: connection with nature, spiritual, dreads, covered with ancient tattoos, uses simple tools (the stake).
- Too many small details and none of them feel fleshed out. Mainly having no mouth and the communication with animals, knowing sign language. I’d say pick one or two and expand on them.
- Moveset doesn’t have anything special to it. Develop more moves that incorporate animals perhaps.

Komodo:

Pros:
- Strong character, feels like they would fit into the Mortal Kombat universe.
- Very interesting moveset that feels unique and would be very cool to use
- The switching of gender roles from the male to the female (male hides where females stalks) is a nice twist
- While the ending felt like one for Khameleon or Chameleon, the ambiguousness of what Komodo needs from Reptile leaves me wanting to know what it is.
- Great x-ray and some of the best fatalities of the 13 Entrants.

Cons:
- The bio is strong as a piece of fanfiction but like someone already said, it doesn’t quite work as an MK intro. Who is this rare collector of species? How does he fit into everything? Was he killed? He definitely didn’t feel like he fit MK.
- Description makes him/her a clone of Reptile/Chameleon/Khameleon but I think is saved a little by the whole changing sexes
- Again, ending could be more original.
- We don’t really know a lot about the creature. Does he/she talk? I he/she just a wild beast trying to survive?
- Moves, while cool, get a little complicated with only one gender being able to perform them (I think) and stuff like the screen flashing black or the opponent becoming poisoned.




Wow thanks for the advice about Alexandra! This is the most constructive criticism I'v read on here! I'll be making some major changes to Alexandra after the tournament! Thanks alot! grin
eliblue Wrote:
Wow thanks for the advice about Alexandra! This is the most constructive criticism I'v read on here! I'll be making some major changes to Alexandra after the tournament! Thanks alot! grin,


You're very welcome. I'll be finishing the other 6 before the contest ends tomorrow. I will post my whole series of pros and cons for all 13 characters on the voting page once I have my picks.
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TheAdder
06/15/2011 08:58 AM (UTC)
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Ab_Horrence Wrote:
Remember that time I promised to go through all of the 13 entrants and give constructive feedback? Yeah, seems like stuff like that takes a bit of time. So I've got through more than half so I'll post these now, and then the other 6 later. I've done them in alphabetical order.

Adsler:

Pros:
- Grim Reaper figure not really explored in MK universe so it’s a good angle.
- Strong description and realization of character: death masks, graceful female vessel, bones shifting inside
- Inside-Out Lunge is a cool move, would love to know what her innards look like though
- Very cool picture but it’s too small: I want to see more of the details!
- Fatality 1 is a good concept. Might want to explain how the camera captures all the details though.
- Ending short but it gives Adsler a future conflict. Not just, and then everything was solved.

Cons:
- Ancient race that is incredibly spiritual stereotype + Murians are mentioned once and then ignored. Would like a little more background.
- MK Universe already has a place for the dead, a heaven and hell. Neatherrealm is that place. You propose an even earlier resting spot for the dead. How does that take into account the realm of the Elder Gods, etc. Being an ancient race feels like a cop out.
- Physical description is overloaded and repetitive. Can be cut down. Adsler is compared to alabaster, artificial life, marble and a statue. Take out extraneous details like the tongue. Not used in a move, is it really necessary? Same can be said with the geometric angle you’ve chosen. Too many ideas.
- Rest of moveset and x-ray need some spicing up. What bones are being crunched in x-ray for example?
- Fatality 1 and 2 are too much the same.
- “The Order of Death has been corrected” after a victory. There is no death, no fatality. How have things been corrected?
- The word ‘lounge’ is used instead of the word ‘lunge’ twice and really sticks out

Alexandra:

Pros:
- Betrayal and conflicting feelings of motherland is a strong conflict
- Her role as a dumb-slaving gathering information is smart. I can see Kahn ranting to his slave girls about everything.
- Cool fighting style of gladiator type combat with Pankration even though the grapples and pressure points are underutilized
- Piano Fingers is a cool move but saying every pressure point is extreme and save the bone breaking for x-rays
- X-ray is a good showing of her gladiatorial ways. Especially like the shield hits.
- I like how she turns away the opportunity to be a hero in her ending. Greece is not a Monarchy though.

Cons:
- Timeline and Kahn’s ability to invade Earthrealm must be clarified. I read the bio many times and still could only guess when these events were supposed to take place. Paragraphs and editing down the bio would help. Also keep in mind that the first three games are set around our time and that Kahn was in place to conquer Earth 500 years ago before the Great Kung Lao foiled him. Also keep in mind the restrictions put on Kahn for invasion.
- Peter does not sound like an ancient Greek name. Petrus is the Greek equivalent.
- Already been brought up, but give a reason for Kahn focusing on mainly Greece. Maybe that’s where the portal opens from Outworld and where he starts.
- Kahn conquered Edenia, killed many and still took Kitana as his daughter. Why would he not do the same with Greece and Alexandra? Maybe use her divine beauty as a reason. I felt the Aphrodite angle was underutilized but had a lot of potential.
- The ghost training her and bringing her equipment didn’t feel right. Ghosts usually hang around a short period to give revelations. Maybe have the father show her where her people’s armour and weaponry are held within Kahn’s fortress and have her learn her battle skills from ancient instincts and watching many Mortal Kombat tournaments.
- Too many moves and too many similar moves (two projectiles, two sword slashes)
- Do not use notes after your bio. Work it into the story. And the fact that she absolutely only kills when necessary is contradictory to everything MK.
- Fatality 1 should kill opponent with the bear hug. More gruesome and interesting.

Bachi Li:

Pros:
- Guardians of Colour is an interesting idea. How the colour purple could be harnessed as powers (ie the colour red gives fire and rage poweres) should be explored more.
- Aikido is a good choice for complimentary fighting style for Bachi.
- Purple Rage is cool move, especially the enhanced version. I think 20-40 orbs are too many though.
- Fatality 2 has potential. If you feel that the power of purple is good for summoning weapons, you should expand on that more.
- I like the humour you try and put in with the ending taunt. However, the smiley in message does not fit the character at all.

Cons:
- Bachi Li does not sound like a Japanese name.
- His story needs to be fleshed out more. Why was he sent to Orderrealm for judgment? Why does Raiden, Liu Kang and Kung Lao suddenly befriend him? What about the other Guardians of Colour? It’d be interesting to hear about them.
- The theme of purple is too overbearing in his costume. It’s also strange that a Guardian of Colour is wearing jeans. Get rid of the question marks when describing the Japanese words and definitely get rid of the description of the character in MK Armageddon and Soul Calibur. It detracts from your description.
- Most of the moves are over-complicated and have way too many hits. Try to think of moves unique to the power of purple. The naming of moves also doesn’t correspond to what they do.
- The beast within Bachi only mentioned a few times but has a major role in his ending and is one of his fatalities. Explore it more in the ending.
- Speaking of the ending, it needs to be tightened. How can he go back to his village if he’s 5000 years old? There’s a lot of repetition and it needs to be edited down.

Clyde:

Pros:
- Straight-forward character
- Nice and brutal, dirty fighting is used well.
- Fatality 2 is creative and suits the character to a tee. One of my favourites out of the 13 char
- Ending, if meant to be humourous, is funny. The gratuitous image of him standing on a mountain of bodies is so over the top that it makes me giggle.

Cons:
- Straight-forward character. Not much too him.
- Voodoo is mentioned but none of his moves take advantage of this.
- How did he kill 50 people and not get caught? Has more of a thug persona rather than criminal genius.
- Stryker never entered the Mortal Kombat tournament. He was dragged into the fight when Shao Kahn invaded in MK3.
- Moves and x-ray all sound the same. Crotch kick, choke, etc. Needs some variety.
- Ending, if meant to be taken seriously, does not work.

Eternus:

Pros:
- I love the metal armlets and anklets in his primary costume pic.
- Familiar moves make him a character that is easy to imagine playing as.
- Story is accessible, not overly complicated
- Fatalities are clever, but they could be reworded and edited a bit. I had to read both of them a few times to picture them.

Cons:
- His story is too simplistic. There’s nothing that makes him stand out.
- Being a mishmash of other characters (Scorpion, Shang-Tsung, Quan Chi) limits Eternus from having his own voice. Again, he just doesn’t stand out.
- If King Jerrod is his father, then Kitana would be his sister or half-sister. How does she feel about his existence? Why isn’t she mentioned in his bio or ending?
- Moves and x-ray should be named and should have a theme that make Eternus unique. It’s good to have takes on classic specials, but give them a little something more

Kimya:


Pros:
- Nice to have some representation from a place we haven’t really seen in MK, Africa
- Interesting mix of animal powers and Capoeira fighting style.
- Snake Trap move has potential and is unique
- The Swahili names used give more flavor to the character, wish you had a few more
- Has an animality as a fatality. Wish you had done more with the talking to animals theme.

Con:
- Animals do use body language to communicate but there are a lot of instances where they need to use their voices. Maybe have Kimya have a telepathic bond with the animals to get around this.
- Go into further detail of why he was selected by the Elder Gods to go to Orderrealm? Elaborate more on the incident with his family and Quan Chi. Same with his relationship with Hotaru. Everything is just so vague and not captivating.
- Kimya is too much of an African Tribesman stereotype: connection with nature, spiritual, dreads, covered with ancient tattoos, uses simple tools (the stake).
- Too many small details and none of them feel fleshed out. Mainly having no mouth and the communication with animals, knowing sign language. I’d say pick one or two and expand on them.
- Moveset doesn’t have anything special to it. Develop more moves that incorporate animals perhaps.

Komodo:

Pros:
- Strong character, feels like they would fit into the Mortal Kombat universe.
- Very interesting moveset that feels unique and would be very cool to use
- The switching of gender roles from the male to the female (male hides where females stalks) is a nice twist
- While the ending felt like one for Khameleon or Chameleon, the ambiguousness of what Komodo needs from Reptile leaves me wanting to know what it is.
- Great x-ray and some of the best fatalities of the 13 Entrants.

Cons:
- The bio is strong as a piece of fanfiction but like someone already said, it doesn’t quite work as an MK intro. Who is this rare collector of species? How does he fit into everything? Was he killed? He definitely didn’t feel like he fit MK.
- Description makes him/her a clone of Reptile/Chameleon/Khameleon but I think is saved a little by the whole changing sexes
- Again, ending could be more original.
- We don’t really know a lot about the creature. Does he/she talk? I he/she just a wild beast trying to survive?
- Moves, while cool, get a little complicated with only one gender being able to perform them (I think) and stuff like the screen flashing black or the opponent becoming poisoned.


I like the way you analyze and really hope I can count on one of these for Merrick, maybe, please, hm? I mean once he's revealed, of course.
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LycaniLLusion
06/15/2011 09:06 AM (UTC)
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eliblue Wrote:
This is to Lycan iLLusion: hmmmm not sure..but I mean if there's a BIG confusion that everyones pointing out, you should explain yourself so people aren't confused. That's what most people would do if their story needs a little clarification. What's your characters name? :)


Her name is Luna. Same sound as tuna but with an L lol. Geez now I want a tuna sandwich grin
TheAdder Wrote:
I like the way you analyze and really hope I can count on one of these for Merrick, maybe, please, hm? I mean once he's revealed, of course.


Sure, I'll analyze Marek for you. But I'll only do him, no one else.

...

Just kidding. I will definitely do your Merrick and the other Marek just to see just what similarities they have.

I don't think I'll be able to do all 100 of these entries but anyone who asks I will gladly accomodate.
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