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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 01:35 AM (UTC)
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X-CUTER Wrote:
But crow did say it could be immediately after mk9 so actually as that would be next that would make sense, as they are currently plotting.


" Please base your character around the most recently released game's timeline"

A posible MK10 is not the most recent timeline. Its a future timeline. And again, even if crow likes it or not, that is a negative vote for me.

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NoobSaibot5
06/14/2011 01:41 AM (UTC)
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Just a suggestion, but is it in any way possible to have even a thumbnail of the character's image show up in their link? I missed a few visual aids there when checking those links as I had no idea that tiny little blue square was even a link. Just makes voting that little bit easier for me if I can envision the character in my mind. Especially since I submitted concept art for Kuwinda's ending and for both of her costumes and I'd like it if the images were easier to see as it helps define the characters better.

So far I'm liking Onyx, though the name and his species remind me a lot about Pokemon (Onyx and Golem). Aside from that the bio length and descriptions were perfect, easy to read and well articulated. I liked that. Some of the other entries I couldn't even finish reading because it went on too long. But Onyx has my vote. A different, more intimidating name that doesn't remind me of Brock from Pokemon and he'd definetly fit in with the MK cast.
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eliblue
06/14/2011 01:44 AM (UTC)
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ultimatesavage Wrote:
Alexandra's story is still flawed because how is Kahn able to step foot on Earth without the Elder Gods punishing him like they did at the end of MK9 story mode?

I am looking for plausibility. You still have to stick to the rules that are set by the games story.

And as we are here to talk about our stories and created characters, we should be looking for things like this as I am sure the judges will too!

Like I say... It's my opinion. I will also be expecting criticism over my character bio/story But we all have a right to pick out mistakes and other things that just don't quite fit.


The judges will be harsher than me dude! Don't take it personal.


Okay thank you! (Kill em with kindness people, kill em with kindness.) And btw, this is my character's story, not yours. If we get eliminated, the judges will tell us the criticism. And you're the only one who even said that. Alexandra has received generally positive feedback so no matter what flaws you point out..I'm still going to be proud of my creation, as anyone should be of their character. Your character probably has flaws too. I'd much rather appreciate a comment from a judge than you. Your comments aren't helpful.....at all. Yoou dont comment on the GOOD people did, you only comment on the bad. You're not using constructive criticism, your just being critical. I'm not mad or anything..i just think it's easy to criticize when your character isn't up yet. have a good day.
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X-CUTER
06/14/2011 01:46 AM (UTC)
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You do realise onyx is a black gem right?
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06/14/2011 01:46 AM (UTC)
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ultimatesavage Wrote:
Even though my story starts way back to Kahn was just settling into being 'ruler' of Outworld, It does push forward to Earth's so-call final tournament. But at the same time, you have to think about the repercussions of OUR character(s) being in this tournament. We are retelling game history. Be it arcade of not, that is what we are all doing.

I could have my character's story start in the year 4000+, Have them come back in time to compete in Earth's so-called final tournament, Just by this alone, changes the game history. So please take that into consideration too.


Like I said man, everyone submitted GREAT characters, and they are great fan fic stories.

My thing is , when I read these characters. I don't just think of the story, I literally close my eyes and try to picture these characters on a character select screen with the announcer saying their name. I think of how they would have looked as a digitalized actor in the original games, and how well they would have fit in with the rest of the cast.

I think about them in story mode, and how they interact with ALL of the characters, who would be their rivals, who would be their friends, what would their banter be like.

And most importantly, I think of how these characters would actually PLAY in the game. What kind of combo sets ups would they have, how balanced are they and what moves sound like they would be good punishes to other characters moves.

I think of the total package. When I picture your character, I want to picture them fighting Kung Lao in MK9, and how would they do compared to his special moves, what would they use to punish his teleport or hat spin, how would they react when Johnny Cage makes a smart ass remark to them in story mode.

For the most part, I have seen a lot of great stories with great fictional characters that COULD fit into the mk universe, but only a few actually made me think .... THIS COULD REALLY BE A CHARACTER IN THE GAME.
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iHeartXenomorphs
06/14/2011 01:53 AM (UTC)
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Mines isn't dead/undead so I can't really say ghost.


You'll have to decide for yourself when you see him. I wish I could resend he picture of him, I have to change his Companion to a more "human-like" entity for epic coolness. I wish the submitters had editing access to their pages.
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X-CUTER
06/14/2011 01:57 AM (UTC)
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Also personally if the characters are set in mk9 its fine but i find them a little restricted as well hey they couldnt finish shao khan off so its a failure. As a fact raiden and the elder gods defeated him we know this by the ending, so i dont see a future for the characters as like all the other good guys died accept a select few and you know few baddies died aswel, so i dont see how they would have survived - i would prefer if they can continue, so goal isnt killing shao khan and isnt necessarily aligned to either side. Or they would have come into play after the start of the next game, or if they have stuff going on which lead into the next game that is currently on the time of this game but as the timeline has changed it is the reason they can come into the story. I do not want them competing in this tournament as it wouldnt exactly make it feel REAL to me saying that however i really like clydes storyline a lot so this is the rare occasion that i will accept it.
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NoobSaibot5
06/14/2011 02:00 AM (UTC)
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X-CUTER Wrote:
You do realise onyx is a black gem right?


I do indeed. I've an interest in gemstones, but that name still reminds me of a pokemon.
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06/14/2011 02:03 AM (UTC)
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You seem to forget that MK9 is a rebooted MK1story.

MK9 has characters that first come to light in MK2,3 and 4. They (NRS) changed game history dramatically! You say that you will think about our characters fighting Kung lao and how they would fit, But you have to take into account that fighters like Sonya didn't know she was in the tournament. And some have been brought forward to beef up the story mode like Sektor/Cyrax, Baraka, Ermac, all being involved in the so-called final tournament of Earth Even though the past game tell us different.

So now you have to think about this, Game history changes, just because YOU feel it don't fit into MK9's story mode, don't make it bad or any less plausible. Every character has an impact on the story. If you stick to following the MK9's story mode too much, you are going to lose sight of what this competition is all about. Because quite frankly, None of our character fit into the story of MK9. We make our own MK9 through the character we have created.
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06/14/2011 02:04 AM (UTC)
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zerosebaz Wrote:
X-CUTER Wrote:
But crow did say it could be immediately after mk9 so actually as that would be next that would make sense, as they are currently plotting.


" Please base your character around the most recently released game's timeline"

A posible MK10 is not the most recent timeline. Its a future timeline. And again, even if crow likes it or not, that is a negative vote for me.

"Around" isn't the same as "In the timeline", so it denotes that there is flexibility. If you try to place it IN the MK9 timeline, then you're stepping on the toes of the currently established characters and the currently established story mode already. If you allow for some things to happen AFTER the MK9 timeline, then there's more wiggle-room for some characters.

I'll be frank, my character delves into a possible MK10 timeframe immediately after MK9, because it was more conducive for her to be better-written that way. If you want things to be strictly MK9, then that's your deal, but if Crow allows the wiggle room and it works for the character without being TOO outrageous in concept, then why should that automatically get a negative vote from you?
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Espio872
06/14/2011 02:06 AM (UTC)
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My character is already in trouble, apparently as their story takes place shortly after Shao Kahn's defeat at the hands of Raiden and the Elder Gods.(which I thought was techniqually in the MK9 timeline, but they also have a backstory that extends back farther than that)..

Oh well, it's just for fun anyway.


I can't wait to vote on these, some truly unique and innovative designs and ideas. Some I was iffy on, but overall everyone put real thought into their characters and that's what matters, best of luck to all of you:)

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Kamionero
06/14/2011 02:06 AM (UTC)
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People complain that characters feel like side-stories or guest characters, but considering mk9 goes on in an already established timeline, not to mention its an already released game where we've all seen the story and know what happens, you'll find that its actually really difficult to fully incorporate a character without basically changing everything.

When adding your character you essentially have two options: Accept that this new timeline is fairly different than the original (for example mileena appearing rather late in the story while Jade appears sooner, etc.) and take your artistic liberty and go with it, or you can put emphasis on raiden changing little things in the timeline that would otherwise prevent the fighter from participating in MK1-3. Considering the magnitude of this tournament, and how many characters there are, the latter would get REALLY repetitive. I personally chose to do a bit of both, mix it up. Since Shao Kahn and Quan Chi get away w a lot more in this timeline I used that as a trigger to the creation of my character, while at the same time assuming her cult and set of gods where everpresent in the universe.

Also, someone said that the characters feel like they could belong to any MK game... considering the MK storyline is ussually "otherworldy conqueror attacks, must fight in tournament w odd characters to save the world" well... nuff said.
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~Crow~
06/14/2011 02:09 AM (UTC)
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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
Just a suggestion, but is it in any way possible to have even a thumbnail of the character's image show up in their link? I missed a few visual aids there when checking those links as I had no idea that tiny little blue square was even a link. Just makes voting that little bit easier for me if I can envision the character in my mind. Especially since I submitted concept art for Kuwinda's ending and for both of her costumes and I'd like it if the images were easier to see as it helps define the characters better.

So far I'm liking Onyx, though the name and his species remind me a lot about Pokemon (Onyx and Golem). Aside from that the bio length and descriptions were perfect, easy to read and well articulated. I liked that. Some of the other entries I couldn't even finish reading because it went on too long. But Onyx has my vote. A different, more intimidating name that doesn't remind me of Brock from Pokemon and he'd definetly fit in with the MK cast.


Thumbnails are planned. Like I said in my post revealing the characters, I had an unforeseen issue with the thumbnails. I know what the cause is, I'm just not sure how to go about solving it since it involves doing something I don't particularly want to do.

As far as the setting of character bios goes... I tried to be lenient and open. Preferably, you base your character around the new game itself. However, so long as you use the timeline in some manner I generally don't mind it. Obviously some people may not like fan speculation on a MK10, but I'll leave that at to them when they make their own votes. Quality always determines where my vote lies; if you have done a better job than your opponent, you will receive my vote.
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jpetrunak
06/14/2011 02:12 AM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
My character is already in trouble, apparently as their story takes place shortly after Shao Kahn's defeat at the hands of Raiden and the Elder Gods.(which I thought was techniqually in the MK9 timeline, but they also have a backstory that extends back farther than that)..

Oh well, it's just for fun anyway.


I can't wait to vote on these, some truly unique and innovative designs.



That doesnt make your character in trouble. If anything its a plus in my book because it ties into MK9 and the events taking place rather than a side story that has no bearing on the story or its consequences. A name drop to say X person was a pirate that liked to kill unicorns from the nether realm, and now they are in the tournament is the stuff that IMO that doesnt fit.
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06/14/2011 02:15 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
Just a suggestion, but is it in any way possible to have even a thumbnail of the character's image show up in their link? I missed a few visual aids there when checking those links as I had no idea that tiny little blue square was even a link. Just makes voting that little bit easier for me if I can envision the character in my mind. Especially since I submitted concept art for Kuwinda's ending and for both of her costumes and I'd like it if the images were easier to see as it helps define the characters better.

So far I'm liking Onyx, though the name and his species remind me a lot about Pokemon (Onyx and Golem). Aside from that the bio length and descriptions were perfect, easy to read and well articulated. I liked that. Some of the other entries I couldn't even finish reading because it went on too long. But Onyx has my vote. A different, more intimidating name that doesn't remind me of Brock from Pokemon and he'd definetly fit in with the MK cast.


Thumbnails are planned. Like I said in my post revealing the characters, I had an unforeseen issue with the thumbnails. I know what the cause is, I'm just not sure how to go about solving it since it involves doing something I don't particularly want to do.

As far as the setting of character bios goes... I tried to be lenient and open. Preferably, you base your character around the new game itself. However, so long as you use the timeline in some manner I generally don't mind it. Obviously some people may not like fan speculation on a MK10, but I'll leave that at to them when they make their own votes. Quality always determines where my vote lies; if you have done a better job than your opponent, you will receive my vote.


There you have it. Straight from the Crow's mouth as it were.
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06/14/2011 02:18 AM (UTC)
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jpetrunak Wrote:
ultimatesavage Wrote:
Even though my story starts way back to Kahn was just settling into being 'ruler' of Outworld, It does push forward to Earth's so-call final tournament. But at the same time, you have to think about the repercussions of OUR character(s) being in this tournament. We are retelling game history. Be it arcade of not, that is what we are all doing.

I could have my character's story start in the year 4000+, Have them come back in time to compete in Earth's so-called final tournament, Just by this alone, changes the game history. So please take that into consideration too.


Like I said man, everyone submitted GREAT characters, and they are great fan fic stories.

My thing is , when I read these characters. I don't just think of the story, I literally close my eyes and try to picture these characters on a character select screen with the announcer saying their name. I think of how they would have looked as a digitalized actor in the original games, and how well they would have fit in with the rest of the cast.

I think about them in story mode, and how they interact with ALL of the characters, who would be their rivals, who would be their friends, what would their banter be like.

And most importantly, I think of how these characters would actually PLAY in the game. What kind of combo sets ups would they have, how balanced are they and what moves sound like they would be good punishes to other characters moves.

I think of the total package. When I picture your character, I want to picture them fighting Kung Lao in MK9, and how would they do compared to his special moves, what would they use to punish his teleport or hat spin, how would they react when Johnny Cage makes a smart ass remark to them in story mode.

For the most part, I have seen a lot of great stories with great fictional characters that COULD fit into the mk universe, but only a few actually made me think .... THIS COULD REALLY BE A CHARACTER IN THE GAME.


Sorry, but why would you think about how they would look played by a digitized actor?
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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 02:19 AM (UTC)
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Sindra Wrote:
zerosebaz Wrote:
X-CUTER Wrote:
But crow did say it could be immediately after mk9 so actually as that would be next that would make sense, as they are currently plotting.


" Please base your character around the most recently released game's timeline"

A posible MK10 is not the most recent timeline. Its a future timeline. And again, even if crow likes it or not, that is a negative vote for me.



"Around" isn't the same as "In the timeline", so it denotes that there is flexibility. If you try to place it IN the MK9 timeline, then you're stepping on the toes of the currently established characters and the currently established story mode already. If you allow for some things to happen AFTER the MK9 timeline, then there's more wiggle-room for some characters.

I'll be frank, my character delves into a possible MK10 timeframe immediately after MK9, because it was more conducive for her to be better-written that way. If you want things to be strictly MK9, then that's your deal, but if Crow allows the wiggle room and it works for the character without being TOO outrageous in concept, then why should that automatically get a negative vote from you?


Because crow and I might have a diferent view on things. He doesnt care if the bio is a short story told in the perspective of another charachter but i do. I want the charachters to fit in the game, if you managed to make a charachter that is on a posible mk10 timeline but still fits, then great you might have my vote, but i really can't think of an example for it.

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06/14/2011 02:21 AM (UTC)
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jpetrunak Wrote:
ultimatesavage Wrote:
Even though my story starts way back to Kahn was just settling into being 'ruler' of Outworld, It does push forward to Earth's so-call final tournament. But at the same time, you have to think about the repercussions of OUR character(s) being in this tournament. We are retelling game history. Be it arcade of not, that is what we are all doing.

I could have my character's story start in the year 4000+, Have them come back in time to compete in Earth's so-called final tournament, Just by this alone, changes the game history. So please take that into consideration too.


Like I said man, everyone submitted GREAT characters, and they are great fan fic stories.

My thing is , when I read these characters. I don't just think of the story, I literally close my eyes and try to picture these characters on a character select screen with the announcer saying their name. I think of how they would have looked as a digitalized actor in the original games, and how well they would have fit in with the rest of the cast.

I think about them in story mode, and how they interact with ALL of the characters, who would be their rivals, who would be their friends, what would their banter be like.

And most importantly, I think of how these characters would actually PLAY in the game. What kind of combo sets ups would they have, how balanced are they and what moves sound like they would be good punishes to other characters moves.

I think of the total package. When I picture your character, I want to picture them fighting Kung Lao in MK9, and how would they do compared to his special moves, what would they use to punish his teleport or hat spin, how would they react when Johnny Cage makes a smart ass remark to them in story mode.

For the most part, I have seen a lot of great stories with great fictional characters that COULD fit into the mk universe, but only a few actually made me think .... THIS COULD REALLY BE A CHARACTER IN THE GAME.
jpetrunak Wrote:
ultimatesavage Wrote:
Even though my story starts way back to Kahn was just settling into being 'ruler' of Outworld, It does push forward to Earth's so-call final tournament. But at the same time, you have to think about the repercussions of OUR character(s) being in this tournament. We are retelling game history. Be it arcade of not, that is what we are all doing.

I could have my character's story start in the year 4000+, Have them come back in time to compete in Earth's so-called final tournament, Just by this alone, changes the game history. So please take that into consideration too.


Like I said man, everyone submitted GREAT characters, and they are great fan fic stories.

My thing is , when I read these characters. I don't just think of the story, I literally close my eyes and try to picture these characters on a character select screen with the announcer saying their name. I think of how they would have looked as a digitalized actor in the original games, and how well they would have fit in with the rest of the cast.

I think about them in story mode, and how they interact with ALL of the characters, who would be their rivals, who would be their friends, what would their banter be like.

And most importantly, I think of how these characters would actually PLAY in the game. What kind of combo sets ups would they have, how balanced are they and what moves sound like they would be good punishes to other characters moves.

I think of the total package. When I picture your character, I want to picture them fighting Kung Lao in MK9, and how would they do compared to his special moves, what would they use to punish his teleport or hat spin, how would they react when Johnny Cage makes a smart ass remark to them in story mode.

For the most part, I have seen a lot of great stories with great fictional characters that COULD fit into the mk universe, but only a few actually made me think .... THIS COULD REALLY BE A CHARACTER IN THE GAME.


I like the way you think, I look forward to hearing a critique from you on Merrick.
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06/14/2011 02:28 AM (UTC)
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For those wondering, the voting topic will appear early Tuesday afternoon some time. It will last through the remainder of that day and Wednesday until midnight EST.
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06/14/2011 02:36 AM (UTC)
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Just pointing out what crow said earlier page 4 or 5 i think:

''The general idea is to keep it within this timeline is all. Whether you want it to be at the beginning in MK1, in the middle with MK2's story or at the end during or immediately following MK3 is up to you.''

So we can, im just saying use charcters to fit here. Im just pointing it out i dont think your opinion should be restricted so it fits into MK9 games, allow room for just after is just what im saying
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Espio872
06/14/2011 02:41 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
jpetrunak Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
My character is already in trouble, apparently as their story takes place shortly after Shao Kahn's defeat at the hands of Raiden and the Elder Gods.(which I thought was techniqually in the MK9 timeline, but they also have a backstory that extends back farther than that)..

Oh well, it's just for fun anyway.


I can't wait to vote on these, some truly unique and innovative designs.



That doesnt make your character in trouble. If anything its a plus in my book because it ties into MK9 and the events taking place rather than a side story that has no bearing on the story or its consequences. A name drop to say X person was a pirate that liked to kill unicorns from the nether realm, and now they are in the tournament is the stuff that IMO that doesnt fit.


Aweomse, pleased to hear that, really nervous/excited to hear everyone's critique.

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eliblue
06/14/2011 02:59 AM (UTC)
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X-CUTER Wrote:
Just pointing out what crow said earlier page 4 or 5 i think:

''The general idea is to keep it within this timeline is all. Whether you want it to be at the beginning in MK1, in the middle with MK2's story or at the end during or immediately following MK3 is up to you.''

So we can, im just saying use charcters to fit here. Im just pointing it out i dont think your opinion should be restricted so it fits into MK9 games, allow room for just after is just what im saying


Yeah, I agree with you! Some people are too picky with the smallest things. This is a creative an independent project. We all worked very hard and I understand that some people have opinions but in order to sustain maturity, people should keep their negative comments to themselves because when it comes to showing your work to strangers, its nice to have a little grace and respect for one another. To any of the people in the preliminarys as of right now, i understand how it feels to have our characters first entered...but we all did a great job and we should be proud of ourselves. Good luck my friends!grin
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mkmileena Wrote:
I also think bio length should be more on line with those in the game. Just a small paragraph that captures who that character is, what their role is in the story at that time, and what their intentions are.

It's definately challenging, but it comes off a lot more powerful than a long, drawn out one.


I was thinking along similar lines until I recalled Crow's point that the characters in this contest don't have the benefit of story mode to allow for proper exposition and characterization. As a result, I think going beyond the in game bio length is a good idea.

In regards to reviewing the preliminary characters, I'm basically breaking it down to 3 categories: Backstory, Appearance, Gameplay with a simple "like" or "don't like" plus/minus. There's several contestants that meet 1 of the 3 criteria but none that go beyond that for me personally. I'll refrain from further explanation out of consideration for the applicants. Good luck to all.


Why not go into further explanation? We're rating these 13 characters anyway. I also agree that our characters don't have the benefit of story mode or multiple games to flesh them out so it's up to us.

Will you or the other judges be giving your 1-13 ratings for the preliminaries Crow?

I'm still slowly going through the characters. I'm going to give feedback for each one, both negative and positive when I'm done.
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zerosebaz
06/14/2011 03:10 AM (UTC)
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Ab_Horrence Wrote:
Mojo6 Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
I also think bio length should be more on line with those in the game. Just a small paragraph that captures who that character is, what their role is in the story at that time, and what their intentions are.

It's definately challenging, but it comes off a lot more powerful than a long, drawn out one.


I was thinking along similar lines until I recalled Crow's point that the characters in this contest don't have the benefit of story mode to allow for proper exposition and characterization. As a result, I think going beyond the in game bio length is a good idea.

In regards to reviewing the preliminary characters, I'm basically breaking it down to 3 categories: Backstory, Appearance, Gameplay with a simple "like" or "don't like" plus/minus. There's several contestants that meet 1 of the 3 criteria but none that go beyond that for me personally. I'll refrain from further explanation out of consideration for the applicants. Good luck to all.


Why not go into further explanation? We're rating these 13 characters anyway. I also agree that our characters don't have the benefit of story mode or multiple games to flesh them out so it's up to us.


Skarllet doesn't have that benefit either, and her bio is made in the same way of the other charachter's bios. I'm not saying its wrong doing a long one, but i rather them being more similar to the ones in the game.
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eliblue
06/14/2011 03:16 AM (UTC)
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Ab_Horrence Wrote:
Mojo6 Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
I also think bio length should be more on line with those in the game. Just a small paragraph that captures who that character is, what their role is in the story at that time, and what their intentions are.

It's definately challenging, but it comes off a lot more powerful than a long, drawn out one.


I was thinking along similar lines until I recalled Crow's point that the characters in this contest don't have the benefit of story mode to allow for proper exposition and characterization. As a result, I think going beyond the in game bio length is a good idea.

In regards to reviewing the preliminary characters, I'm basically breaking it down to 3 categories: Backstory, Appearance, Gameplay with a simple "like" or "don't like" plus/minus. There's several contestants that meet 1 of the 3 criteria but none that go beyond that for me personally. I'll refrain from further explanation out of consideration for the applicants. Good luck to all.


Why not go into further explanation? We're rating these 13 characters anyway. I also agree that our characters don't have the benefit of story mode or multiple games to flesh them out so it's up to us.

Will you or the other judges be giving your 1-13 ratings for the preliminaries Crow?

I'm still slowly going through the characters. I'm going to give feedback for each one, both negative and positive when I'm done.


You see now dude, you are a GOOD critic. instead of going straight to "opinions" you stated that you're going to take the time to go through each character and state the good and bad comments...instead of just saying the bad.....smile Thank you
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