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03/21/2011 01:20 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
But that's not really what happened here. The man simply used that term to state what how he is, and he isn't wrong in using that term. That you guys take offense of it, well... that's your own deal. But he hasn't wronged any of you by calling himself that. Therefore, I think you are being quite over-sensitive about it right now.


I don't think anyone is being overly-sensitive. Just stating opinions.

There's already so much hate towards the gay community, we shouldn't be adding to it ourselves. And that's what saying one is "straight-acting" does. It makes it seem like it's only okay to be gay if we try to act like straight people. No one is crying about it. Just saying that there are better ways of saying you aren't overly-effeminate acting.
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03/21/2011 01:23 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
But that's not really what happened here. The man simply used that term to state what how he is, and he isn't wrong in using that term. That you guys take offense of it, well... that's your own deal. But he hasn't wronged any of you by calling himself that. Therefore, I think you are being quite over-sensitive about it right now.


I think you're taking it the wrong way. I explicitly said that I'm not taking offense at what anyone in this thread has said, and was merely discussing the term in general.

Evil Grammy and Sindel, you both expressed yourselves better than I could ^_^ my thoughts exactly
wow this thread has somewhat got off topic
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03/21/2011 01:25 AM (UTC)
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I really hate the way the commands work in this site >.>
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03/21/2011 01:32 AM (UTC)
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longlivequeensindel Wrote:
wow this thread has somewhat got off topic


Meh, it's normal for a 39 page thread about something as broad as "gaymers" to go off-topic. TBH this site is the only one i've frequented where they were relatively dogmatic about staying "on topic". Seems like anything gaymer related should be topic-y enough.

Love the sig btw
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03/21/2011 01:38 AM (UTC)
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I am straight, but sometimes I act gay.

Anyway:

Male- Kung Lao & Stryker
Female- Sonya & Mileena
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Jaded-Raven
03/21/2011 01:42 AM (UTC)
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It's odd, some gay men actually find the thought or fantasy of having sex with a straight man attractive and therefore go for the "straight-acting" type of guys. I guess it's a preference more than anything.

Personally, I'm not one of them. I've had sex with a few straight guys who were curious to see how it would be with another man, and frankly, they didn't know what they were doing half the time. XD
samuhai Wrote:
longlivequeensindel Wrote:
wow this thread has somewhat got off topic


Meh, it's normal for a 39 page thread about something as broad as "gaymers" to go off-topic. TBH this site is the only one i've frequented where they were relatively dogmatic about staying "on topic". Seems like anything gaymer related should be topic-y enough.

Love the sig btw

yeah I suppose your right, its still a cracking thread
and thank you shes one of my own creations, possibly my favourite
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03/21/2011 02:01 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
It's odd, some gay men actually find the thought or fantasy of having sex with a straight man attractive and therefore go for the "straight-acting" type of guys. I guess it's a preference more than anything.

Personally, I'm not one of them. I've had sex with a few straight guys who were curious to see how it would be with another man, and frankly, they didn't know what they were doing half the time. XD


Yes, 3 years of boys boarding school -_- i know all about the curious straight boys lack of... skills
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*SINNER*
03/21/2011 02:13 AM (UTC)
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Yay, a debate of some sort. Perhaps the only thing that gets me to post on this site.

My 2 cents:

I think the only people who should get offended by the term "straight acting" are masculine gays. How confusing to grow up acting "normal" just to have to label your demeanor as something other than what you are (gay).

There's no right or wrong way for a gay man to act like. Same goes for heteros. In fact, people fail to realize, what never gets any attention, are effeminate straight men. You've all heard of those married straight men that like to prance around in their wives' clothing. Or the straight man that gets a sex change cuz he feels like a woman inside.

But we have to face facts. In general, whether male or female, masculine people are attracted to women, feminine people are attracted to men. So I think "straight acting" is a perfectly valid term as a synonym for masculine since most butch men are straight.

And I too hate it when people say things like "no fems" on manhunt, but I have to confess that I am guilty of being one of them. Femininity is a big term off for me, even if it's subtle. When I'm with a man, I have to feel that he's a man on the outside and the inside. Otherwise, the energy is all wrong.

A lot of gay guys feel that way, and as a femmy myself, it hurts when I read those comments, but I understand where they're coming from. All these problems and imperfections that come with homosexuality in general are just things we have to live with, so no use in getting upset.
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03/21/2011 02:44 AM (UTC)
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If I may comment, I find the devision within the LGBT community to be very sad. There's gays who mistreat and mock transgendered people, gays who bash feminine gay guys etc etc. I don't use the term "straight acting", mainly because of the fact that all straight people don't act a certain way. When I came out, everyone would be like, "you're cool with me because you don't flaunt it and parade around like so and so, as long as you're not making out with whoever or trying to come onto me we're cool." In other words, they're still homophobic, but they'll tolerate me because I behave within the confines of their rigid gender roles and other nonsense. I also hated when people would add the "as long as you don't try anything on me" comment, 99%, nobody wants the dude saying it anyway, which pissed me off even more. Oh and if you guys can hold hands and make out with your significant other and flaunt your relationship, why would you think that we don't have a right to because you're not used to seeing it? Ridiculous.

We're all in the same boat, and yet the LGBT community divides itself, instead of focusing on what really matters, gaining a more equittable role and fair treatment in society, we focus on dissing other members for being a certain way.
Oh and small note: the person who was describing themselves as straight acting wasn't dissing anyone, just describing himself in the best way he could.
As long as you're a respecful person, I don't care how you act, rigid gender roles are way too overrated anyway.

We're all beautiful in a way, there are no mistakes. Hate is the only thing that can make us ugly.

I'm going to break my mold and roll with what Lady Gaga says, rejoice and love yourself today, cause baby you were

-born this way



longlivequeensindel Wrote:
samuhai Wrote:
longlivequeensindel Wrote:
wow this thread has somewhat got off topic


Meh, it's normal for a 39 page thread about something as broad as "gaymers" to go off-topic. TBH this site is the only one i've frequented where they were relatively dogmatic about staying "on topic". Seems like anything gaymer related should be topic-y enough.

Love the sig btw

yeah I suppose your right, its still a cracking thread
and thank you shes one of my own creations, possibly my favourite


Whoa, you are a killer artist, looks very professional. I keep getting a geisha fused with a sorceress type of vibe from it, which is probably wrong lol, but anyway beautiful work.




Espio872 Wrote:
If I may comment, I find the devision within the LGBT community to be very sad. There's gays who mistreat and mock transgendered people, gays who bash feminine gay guys etc etc. I don't use the term "straight acting", mainly because of the fact that all straight people don't act a certain way. When I came out, everyone would be like, "you're cool with me because you don't flaunt it and parade around like so and so, as long as you're not making out with whoever or trying to come onto me we're cool." In other words, they're still homophobic, but they'll tolerate me because I behave within the confines of their rigid gender roles and other nonsense. I also hated when people would add the "as long as you don't try anything on me" comment, 99%, nobody wants the dude saying it anyway, which pissed me off even more. Oh and if you guys can hold hands and make out with your significant other and flaunt your relationship, why would you think that we don't have a right to because you're not used to seeing it? Ridiculous.
We're all in the same boat, and yet the LGBT community divides itself, instead of focusing on what really matters, gaining a more equittable role and fair treatment in society, we focus on dissing other members for being a certain way.
Oh and small note: the person who was describing themselves as straight acting wasn't dissing anyone, just describing himself in the best way he could.
As long as you're a respecful person, I don't care how you act, rigid gender roles are way too overrated anyway.
We're all beautiful in a way, there are no mistakes. Hate is the only thing that can make us ugly.
I'm going to break my mold and roll with what Lady Gaga says, rejoice and love yourself today, cause baby you were

-born this way

longlivequeensindel Wrote:
samuhai Wrote:
longlivequeensindel Wrote:
wow this thread has somewhat got off topic

Meh, it's normal for a 39 page thread about something as broad as "gaymers" to go off-topic. TBH this site is the only one i've frequented where they were relatively dogmatic about staying "on topic". Seems like anything gaymer related should be topic-y enough.
Love the sig btw

yeah I suppose your right, its still a cracking thread
and thank you shes one of my own creations, possibly my favourite

Whoa, you are a killer artist, looks very professional. I keep getting a geisha fused with a sorceress type of vibe from it, which is probably wrong lol, but anyway beautiful work.

actually your not far off at all, shes from a story of mine she carrying a book which she can summon any of the characters from, so your geisha/scorceress fusion is pretty on the mark :)
heres the rest of them if your interested?
Intrestingly the last girl was originally intended to be a concept for an mk character




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03/21/2011 03:11 AM (UTC)
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...the hell? lol This thread was busy.

Thanks Jaded, glad you like it! I took the blur off of Kitana for you!
@EvilGranny, that's hilarious! I'm usually a bottom, and my first time topping was something similar lol *hell, my first time bottoming was even more awkward*
@rainbowrabbit, see subxscorp, done it lol
@Sindel18 I'm glad you like it! I'd love to see some man on man action in that lol
@longlivequeensindel maybe not all the males, just Rain
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03/21/2011 03:28 AM (UTC)
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We're all in the same boat, and yet the LGBT community divides itself


No, we are not in the same boat. I HATE when people say that.

So all blacks are the same, all whites are the same, all gays are the same?

Are gay men given the same respect as lesbians? How many times have we seen lesbians portrayed as something cool and acceptable? Yet when they show 2 men kissing on TV... It has to be something wierd or disgusting... never something sexy unless it is specifically a "gay show" like Will & Grace or Queer as Folks.

If we were all in the same boat, wouldn't we get treated the same way?

Do we even all click together? For example, I personally find it hard to connect with lesbians because A) on the outside they have nothing I want, and B) on the inside they're usually butch so they have little social appeal to me as I am more socially drawn to fem guys or girls.

Butch and fem gays have different mindsets, and even with the femmies there are differences. Some like what they are, others become trannys or want to go even further than that.

I don't mean to say that we shouldn't unite, but clearly we are not all the same. "GLBT" is a very very broad term, encompassing millions and millions of different people.

Some are more priviledged than others (like masc gays or fem lesbians), so I hate this whole "we're all equal" notion. It is not true no matter how often people throw the word "community" around. And all the prejudice and discrimination within our own "community" proves how right I am.

I am not proud of that btw. I really do wish we could all unite and get equal treatment. Only when World Peace is officially declared will that ever happen.
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03/21/2011 03:42 AM (UTC)
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*SINNER* Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
We're all in the same boat, and yet the LGBT community divides itself


No, we are not in the same boat. I HATE when people say that.

So all blacks are the same, all whites are the same, all gays are the same?

Are gay men given the same respect as lesbians? How many times have we seen lesbians portrayed as something cool and acceptable? Yet when they show 2 men kissing on TV... It has to be something wierd or disgusting... never something sexy unless it is specifically a "gay show" like Will & Grace or Queer as Folks.

If we were all in the same boat, wouldn't we get treated the same way?

Do we even all click together? For example, I personally find it hard to connect with lesbians because A) on the outside they have nothing I want, and B) on the inside they're usually butch so they have little social appeal to me as I am more socially drawn to fem guys or girls.

Butch and fem gays have different mindsets, and even with the femmies there are differences. Some like what they are, others become trannys or want to go even further than that.

I don't mean to say that we shouldn't unite, but clearly we are not all the same. "GLBT" is a very very broad term, encompassing millions and millions of different people.

Some are more priviledged than others (like masc gays or fem lesbians), so I hate this whole "we're all equal" notion. It is not true no matter how often people throw the word "community" around. And all the prejudice and discrimination within our own "community" proves how right I am.

I am not proud of that btw. I really do wish we could all unite and get equal treatment. Only when World Peace is officially declared will that ever happen.


I mean no offense when saying this, but this post of yours actually surprises me. From past encounters, I did not take you for being one who could make such good arguements for yourself. I'm glad I was proven wrong. ^^

I do indeed agree with you on this matter as well. I am quite the individualist and believe that every person is his or her own. No two persons are exactly alike and thus should be treated differently. That said, I believe we are all equal in the fact that we are all humans. We are all people. But people are different from one another and can therefore not all be treated alike. It would also be impossible to do, as not everyone will be able to get along.

It is a typical human mindset and also easier for people to put others in groups so they know how to relate to them, but it is quite the wrong state of mind to do so. Just because I am gay I don't like being treated as one, because being gay is not all I am, but just a part of who I am, and therefore I don't want to be put in a box as "the gay guy". I am also alot of other things than just that.

All in all, it's about having an open mind and approach people as individuals, letting go of stereotypes and accept the fact that we aren't all alike.
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03/21/2011 03:49 AM (UTC)
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@Sinner You have entirely missed the point of my post.

I'll repeat myself, my post was about being less harsh toward each other as it ends up only hurting ourselves and as I made quite clear, all LGBT people are not the same. I have never and will never claim that we should all be treated as a group or be judged as solely one group, we're more than our sexual orientation. That was never what my post was about, that was a misinterpretation of what I meant.

Edit: Or maybe I'm having trouble stating my opinion I dunnoconfused I think I've got it now: for example, soldiers who are fighting in a war together, they're all in the same boat, regardless of race, religion, gender etc because they're all going through a similar experience, you can be different and be in the same boat. Being in the same boat =/= being the same. It just means you have something in common with someone. Another example, when I was on my school's Tennis team, everyone was different ethnically and religiously, (we had East indians, Whites, Blacks, etc on the team and we had Muslims, Christians and Agnostics/Atheists on the team). We're all in the same boat because we all have to go to the practices and play on the same team. I hope this edit explains everything much better. I'm not frustrated, but I hate being misunderstood, perhaps I'm at fault for not being as clear, either way sorry if I seem annoyed, cheers guys.
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03/21/2011 03:57 AM (UTC)
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longlivequeensindel Wrote:
great pic, altough not quite my taste
can you imagine the uproar if all the male characters were dressed like that lol


I've been saying for ages how I want Scorpion to wear a yellow fundoshi as his alternate costume. I deleted my Twitter a year ago. So can someone here ask Boon if he'll do it? I'd love to see his response. grin
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Espio872 Wrote:

Are gay men given the same respect as lesbians? How many times have we seen lesbians portrayed as something cool and acceptable? Yet when they show 2 men kissing on TV... It has to be something wierd or disgusting... never something sexy unless it is specifically a "gay show" like Will & Grace or Queer as Folks.


Cause... Thats just the way it is...... somethings will never change.... thats just the way it is.... thats just the way it is it is its it is


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03/21/2011 04:15 AM (UTC)
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longlivequeensindel Wrote:
actually your not far off at all, shes from a story of mine she carrying a book which she can summon any of the characters from, so your geisha/scorceress fusion is pretty on the mark :)
heres the rest of them if your interested?
Intrestingly the last girl was originally intended to be a concept for an mk character






Oh wow, I'm surprised I was close haha. She sounds really cool. You're a writer too? As I said before, there's so much talent on MKO it's amazing. i would love to read some it, depending on if you care to share, if not I understand, I used to not feel comfortable sharing some of my short stories, I just didn't feel confident in them.

I really like the last one the best, the mask on her Kimono(is that the word I'm looking for?) reminds of the mask in Sailor Moon, love the direction you took with her. Her costume looks serene, yet deadly. She would make a sweet MK character, would be superb.

The 2nd in 3rd ones I really adore too, they remind me of this Japanese manga/anime, the name is escaping me at the moment, but those ones are extremely stunning, I love the beads, and ornate gold bands.

I really am impressed, these literally look like professional drawings. They're beautiful and I love the Asian influence on the designs. Thanks so much for sharing thesesmile
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03/21/2011 04:23 AM (UTC)
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Everything about her is amazing.
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03/21/2011 02:11 PM (UTC)
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The one thing all gay men have in common is that they want to have sex with other men. Because THAT'S what being gay is really all about! So no matter how "butch" I may act, I'm really 100% gay acting because at the end of the day, I love hot man on man sex glasses

And yeah, it's a shame that the LGBT community isn't more united. I'm not the type to go to bars, but one time, a friend dragged me to a bear bar because he knows I'm a chaser, and it was horrible. The feeling of rejection was so intense. No one would even bother talking to me. I've also wanted to make lesbian friends, but it hasn't worked out. It bums me out that some people don't want to be friends just because we can't fuck together as well. Oh well... their loss. My shoulder is great for crying on tongue
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03/21/2011 03:49 PM (UTC)
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Alright to all homo's and non homo's in here, i've scrolled down this awesome website long enough, and everytime, my eyes got stabbed when i seen this topic!!! so im boycotting teh gayzorz in this topic, and makin it STR8 ( and im not talking about gay straight lmao.... anyway all your base belong to me

btw im straight lol so dont try to hit on me... *SPRINTS AWAY*
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Jaded-Raven
03/21/2011 03:59 PM (UTC)
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cyrax66 Wrote:
Alright to all homo's and non homo's in here, i've scrolled down this awesome website long enough, and everytime, my eyes got stabbed when i seen this topic!!! so im boycotting teh gayzorz in this topic, and makin it STR8 ( and im not talking about gay straight lmao.... anyway all your base belong to me

btw im straight lol so dont try to hit on me... *SPRINTS AWAY*



... Well, this is a moronic post if I've ever seen one.
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03/21/2011 04:02 PM (UTC)
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cyrax66 Wrote:
Alright to all homo's and non homo's in here, i've scrolled down this awesome website long enough, and everytime, my eyes got stabbed when i seen this topic!!! so im boycotting teh gayzorz in this topic, and makin it STR8 ( and im not talking about gay straight lmao.... anyway all your base belong to me

btw im straight lol so dont try to hit on me... *SPRINTS AWAY*


LOL I can't even take this seriously.
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03/21/2011 04:27 PM (UTC)
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cyrax66 Wrote:
Alright to all homo's and non homo's in here, i've scrolled down this awesome website long enough, and everytime, my eyes got stabbed when i seen this topic!!! so im boycotting teh gayzorz in this topic, and makin it STR8 ( and im not talking about gay straight lmao.... anyway all your base belong to me

btw im straight lol so dont try to hit on me... *SPRINTS AWAY*

You are a fucking retard.
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