vinces face at the end of the match was pricless. he looked like he was ready to cry, lmao.

Well I certainly hopes so......

Wow, thats pretty boring.

I remember back during the attitude era, there were more matches on raw then there were on ppv in 2003-2007. Also, ppv's during the attitude era averaged about 8-10 matches.

Those days are over now I guess. All you get now is backstage interviews and shit like that. You rarely see any action in the ring on raw now lol. The whole show, the crowd has to watch the titantron.

It's all because of the current WWE roster.........

Well, it's not so much roster as it is management/booking. WWE has crazy talent, actually. They just don't utilize it for putting on a wrestling show.

That WM card looks about right, id say.

Edit: Oh, heh, I guess Konnan is accepting Kidney donations, as stated on his myspace. And O positive blood for his transplant. Actually, I think I'm O positive.....

WWE has a great roster. Even their ''shitty'' guys who are home made, namely Rene Dupree, Sylvan Grenier and Rob Conway, I think those guys are defenetely being underpushed and they're very underrated. But just look at the WWE roster. Benoit, Jamie Noble, CM Punk, Super Crazy, Micheals, Triple H, Ric Flair, Kenny, Chavo Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Rob Van Dam, Finlay, Matt Hardy, Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito, Val Venis, Edge, Orton, Greg Helms, London, Kendrick, Kennedy, Regal, Taylor, Jimmy Yang... and even in terms of just putting on entertaining matches that aren't technically sound, you have guys like Booker T, Batista, Kane, Undertaker, MVP, Jeff Hardy... WWE has an absolutely capable roster! They just write their shows like regular tv shows instead of wrestling competitons.

Finally something we both can agree on!

David Bautista was born on January 18 in 1966

Triple H Born July 27, 1969

HAHA im right ur wrong That means Trips is 37. Batista is 41 in 8 days. I have gotten those dates from various sites to make sure there right. So again you say shit before judging or maybe for once thinking b4 posting.

Batista is older than The king of kings.......i did not know this at all.

K, found this on the other page, and I think, given the right matches here, WM could indeed be awesome, but it has to have the following:


My speculation

Wrestlemania 23 - 2007

- Somebody Sings America the Beautiful

- Cruiserweight Championship: Greg Helms vs. Spanky vs. Scotty 2 Hotty

- Backstage segment (Money in the Bank)

- Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Jeff Hardy, Johnny Nitro, Booker T, Paul London, Ken Doane, and Tatanka

- Don't Try This At Home PSA

- Backstage segment (Champions)

- Tag Team Championship Match: Rated-RKO vs. Cryme Tyme

- WWE Women's Championship Match: Mickie James vs. Beth Phoenix

- Interpromotional Match: The Highlanders (w/ Roddy Piper) vs. K.C. James and Idol Stevens (w/ Michelle McCool)

- ECW Championship: Lashley(face) vs. C.M. Punk(heel)

- band performance

- Interpromotional Match: The World's Greatest Tag Team and Chris Masters vs. MVP, Ken Kennedy, and Matt Hardy (face team)

- WWE Championship Match: John Cena vs. The Great Khali

- WWE Hall of Fame Class of 2007

- WrestleMania 24 Announcement

- World Heavyweight Championship Match: Batista vs. The Undertaker

- WrestleMania 23 Highlight Video

I could not with a good conscious put Umaga on the WM card..I don't wanna put Khali on there, but that's where it's heading. Here are the results of said WM:


Crusierweight Championship: Scotty 2 Hotty def. Greg Helms and Spanky

Money In the Bank Match: Jeff Hardy

Tag Team Championship: Cryme Tyme def. Rated-RKO

Women's Championship: Beth Phoenix def. Mickie James

Interpromotional Match: The Highlanders def. K.C. James and Idol Stevens

ECW Championship: C.M. Punk def. Bobby Lashley

Interpromotional Match 2: World's Greatest Tag Team and Chris Masters def. Mr, Kennedy, MVP, and Matt Hardy

WWE Championship: John Cena def. Great Khali

World Heavyweight Championship: Undertaker def. Batista

Note: Card is subject to change. lol

lol


Hey there are rumors that Khali is going to face Hogan at WM23
that's why he has been moved to RAW suddenly......

That card is actually more insane than most things TheMkGeek says. Obviously MVP will not turn face by Wrestlemania, and there's no way Edge and Orton are going to lower themselves to the level of Cryme Tyme, where they lose a tag match at Mania. I doubt they'll be the team champions come Wrestlemania, too.

How do you guys know so much about the future in wrestling? If I would have known all this before I even seen it on TV, it would have ruined wrestling for me. Everything I saw was a surprise for me because I never knew what was coming.

I don't know ,I guess I am a little obsessed with WWE Wrestling..........

Heres an idea. If so many people hate John Cena and Batista, why not turn them into heels? The Rock did it and look at him now, hes a legend.

Wrestling is a very predictable industry because the truth is, it wont work unless you use the pre existing formulas. At the same time, when surprises come around, they're usually a pretty big deal and enjoyable, but you'll find that most surprises that happen in the business are ''accidental'', as to say, not written by writers, but actual real life, like the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita thing, Luger appearing on Nitro, Angle leaving WWE and showing up on TNA, Christian doing the same.... But the truth is there's always a very basic formula, and especially in WWE, you can nearly always tell when the title will change hands, because their shows and pushes and feuds and angles all work too much like normal tv shows or movies.
For instance, everyone knew Cena and Batista would win their world titles at Wrestlemania, because that's the only thing that made sense. It's not like a real sport where titles can change all of a sudden (unless for very rare exceptions, like Benoit vs Orton) . WWE feels the need to put in alot of angles, promos, run ins and stuff, that make the ending of the feud predictable because lets face it, if after the huge feud with Triple H, leading into the Rumble, and then into Mania, Batista had failed to get the title, what sense would it make? That's why wrestling is so predictable.Not in ROH though. The title usually changes hands quite unpredictably, as was the case when Gibson won the title, when Dragon won the title from Gibson, and now Homicide from Dragon.
The matches themselves (except the Japanese and ROH and Chikara matches) also are predictable because they wont build proper heat unless they're done with the ''hero versus bad guy'' formula. Look at Rey Mysterio versus Shawn Micheals in the Eddie Guerrero tribute RAW. Micheals practically worked heel. You have the babyface shining, to prove that he is better than the heel, and to get the crowd behind him. The heel cheats to get the upper hand, or uses all of his leverage unfairly, to get the crowd agaisnt him because the only reason he is dominating is because he cheated, and the other guy is a better wrestler. The crowd gets worked with hope spots, as it seems that the babyface is finally gonna make his comeback, but the heel cheats once again or does a none-wrestling move (like a knee to the gut or a clenched fist to the face) , building himself more heat and getting the crowd angrier at him. Eventually, the babyface finally manages to make his comeback, and then he either loses or wins but no matter what, the crowd has to know the babyface is the better man.

An example of a match that tanked because it didnt follow the formula is Scott Steiner vs Triple H, world championship at the 2003 Royal Rumble. Scott Steiner absolutely CRUSHED Triple H. He smashed him completely, Triple H never stood a chance. At the end of the match, Triple H was bleeding buckets and beaten down, unable to stand up, yet Steiner was in front of him doing push ups.
Why is this wrong? Because Steiner was the face and Triple H the heel. Even though Triple H cheated a bunch of times, Steiner was still dominating him, and so the crowd turned on Steiner, and the people that didnt turn on Steiner just went quiet because they didnt care. A babyface cant be dominant, or he will get heel heat. Only the heels can be dominant.
Look at Hogan. You can say he was dominant, winning every match, but the truth is, he sold like hell before he made his comeback and won the match. He would go down, look like he was knocked out, look miserable, get juice, but then make his triumphant return and send the crowd home happy.

That's why wrestling is predictable, and the only wrestling I really enjoy nowadays is ROH.

They're not going to turn Cena into a heel because little kids and ladies love him and buy his shit.

They'll turn Cena heel before they turn Batista, though.

Zents post was good. Also, various websites give insight, too. Anyone subscribe to the PW newsletter. I've been thinking about it. Meh.

Also, in terms of "ruining" the experience, for myself, it really doesn't. It's like, I read the impact spoilers, but you really don't see the nuances, the subtleness and work of the wrestlers unless you actually watch it. Yeah,you may get the general overview of how the story lines are going, but you don't get the intrinsic work from the wrestlers. Watching them work, do promos, work the ring is where the enjoyment lies, more so than simply "knowing" what happens.

Am I the only person that likes some heels more then babyfaces? When The Rock went Corperate, Thats when I really started liking him. He was funny as shit with all the shit he did. I remember when he knocked Stone Cold off that bridge and I laughed so hard at this girl who liked Stone Cold. My sister like the Rock. At Wrestlemania, we saw Stone Cold beat the Rock and my little sister started crying. Good times.

Also, what Zentile says makes sense 100%. I guess thats pretty much how I began to stop watching wrestling. I knew who would win all the matches because it would not have made sense for certain people to lose.

Take the Undertaker for example, when he made his comeback and was scheduled to fight Kane at wrestlemania, I knew at that very moment that Undertaker would win. Reason being, that why would he comeback, the crowd gets extatic and nuts and do all that jazz and dark skits just to lose at wrestlemania and embarrass himself.

If I were in charge of that story heres how I would have done it. I would have had Kane cheat to win somehow at wrestlemania and they continue they're feud onto Backlash. I would set the main event at Backlash as a tag team match featuring the WWF champion and Undertaker on team TAKER vs. Kane and the #1 continder for the WWF championship belt on team KANE.

Just from this one match right here at Backlash, you could take their story in so many directions. Here is one direction that I might take. I would have Undertaker turn on his partner(wwf champ) at a crucial point in the match which would in turn make Undertaker a heel. Heres how it would go down. The WWF Champ and someone from Team KANE end up in a double clothsline. The WWF Champ(Undertaker's partner) is dazed/knocked down along with the fighter on Team KANE, while the other fighter from Team KANE is laid out on the outside of the ring from a hard attack by Undertaker. Undertaker climbs back up to the Apron and the WWF CHAMP attemps to crawl over to Undertaker and make the tag but Undertaker refuses to tag in. JR and King are shocked.

The WWF champ struggles to his feet while his opponent struggles to his feet also. Undertaker comes in and Chokeslam's the WWF Champ and the crowd intensely boo's while JR and King are confused and shocked. Undertaker then walks up the ramp looking back at the ring with an evil look while someone from Team KANE, goes for the cover. The refery counts, 1...2......."HE KICKED OUT, HE KICKED OUT, HE KICKED OUT" - JR. The champ continues to fight strong by himself but is soon overwelmed by the team of Kane and his partner. Team KANE barely wins the match and you hear mass booing along with litter being thrown to the ring.

*Now who in there right mind would have expected this to happen!*

Imagine what would happen the next night on Raw is War.

btw, hope you enjoyed the story, if so, maybe I'll make a thread where we can come up with new scripts for the wwf that no one would expect, but everyone would enjoy.

No. Personally, I think Cena would be more fun as a heel. But as of now, WWE is afraid of turning off the younger and female audience who love him as a "good guy."

Wrestlers I like as heel
Jeff Jarett - Godly
Carlito
Kennedy
Trish - holy shit, when she turned at wm a few years ago, i was like damn!! Really, really good work.
Styles - actually give a shit about his character now that he's heel.

I'm not a big fan of angle when he's heel. I mean, I guess he does a decent job bu I love his quirky, good-goody face persona. What's interesting is that I'm not a big fan of "tweeners," either. I guess they are needed more than I'll admit, whatever, though. :shrugs:
Edit: "Prays that my human/computer interaction class is called off due to snow....."

I cant stand tweeners. There's no such thing to me. I know I'll never work tweener, it's fucking confusing, there's no way to really work the crowd or lead it in a direction, etc...

To me it doesn't really make any difference as long as it's a good wrestler (and not a tweener, of course). I haven't worked heel yet, but I think it would probably be easier because I'd have more control although more responsability aswell. Working babyface has been alot of fun though and I get to learn alot.

I know when I'm wrong, and I humbly bow down to you! But don't get too cockey, it' doesn't take a genious to research online! I could've looked teh info up myself.

Funny, a nice cheap shot at my expense, well done!

As for MVP, I hate the guy, and hope the WWE gets rid of him, and I agree with what you said about Orton/Edge and Cryme Tyme