I agree, Cena's time is done. Who should get the belt? I say HBK (I'm bias I know) or Angle. If this 'Elimination Chamber' rumor is true (NYRevolution, HBK, HHH, Cena, Carlito, Kane, Big Slow) then that leads me to believe HHH is taking his belt home in January.


I'd like to see HBK or Angle as champ though. And I think it's Orton's time to shine again. I still like that kid, a lot.

I don't know if you saw the PPV or not, but when the crowd was at each other with "Lets go Cena!!!, LETS GO ANGLE!!!!" the crowd that said lets go Cena was like every frickin kid in the arena. Oh yeah and what was up with that "WHATS UP MY NIGGA!" comment from McMahon? I found that odd yet hilarious

Ha ha...I was just kiddin with you I'm not a hardcore Cena fan...I'm acctually pretty sick of him as champ. I'd have rather see Angle win the belt... but whatever.

Oh and Crow Batista can't wrestle worth shit... he's got less moves then Cena. Spinebuster, Closeline, Power Bomb... thats about it.

I was thinking about just before. Batista seems to use less actual moves than Cena, but somehow, his matches are so much more interesting to me. I think it's because either a) His ring psychology is great, and Cena just doesn't have that knowledge Batista was gifted from Flair, Triple H, Orton Sr, etc, or b) Batista is more dominant and gets more actual offense in thoughtout the match, whereas Cena takes a beating for 15 minutes with his only offense being a flying shoulderblock and a glorified vertical suplex, then goes back to being beat on for the rest of the match until the finish. It makes Cena look kind of weak. Batista's matches on the other hand are very back forth and feel more competitive to me.

Basically, Batista doesn't wrestle the same match every single week like Cena does. Batista isn't a great wrestler, he's no Alex Shelley, but he doesn't need to be. Like Flair, who can put on a match of the year with just punches, chops, and a groin claw, he doesn't need to be a great technical wrestler or anything because of the pacing and psychology behind his matches.

Bulls#% that was so messed up vince is rubbing it in our faces cause he knows we hate cena what the hell this is crazy i feel so bad for kurt ill give vince credit i havent cared about a match so much in a long time.Did you hear the cena boos again its getting stronger and stronger something seems so real about all this.Damn you cena!!!.F shane i dont know why people likes shane so much all he is a spot monkey hes boring as hell on the mic Eric is a million times better screw shane.The hatred for cena is becoming huge i never hated a wrestler this much ever its nothing personal im sure hes a nice person in real life but in wrestling its a different story.Superman needs to be smashed by frieght train rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh angle is the man and always has been i feel so bad for him putting up with this crap its hard to watch i wouldnt be suprised if he quits.

Shane had very little pop when he came out... I think most people probably didn't even know who he was, considering his rare appearances on TV. I seriously doubt Shane will take over in the long run, considering he is generally in charge of WWE's online media. Bischoff is at least a heel GM, which is needed given Teddy Long being the face GM... two face GMs would suck quite badly.

Anyway, Cena won with a STF? That's an insult, really. These two guys have finishers that are submissions and Cena wins with a generic hold. Also, what's with Shelton getting crapped on every week now? Losing to Murdoch is a shame... I wouldn't be surprised to see him released sometime soon now.

Waste of talent.

Did you just call Cena superman? Thats what Ive been calling him all night.

I was sort of expecting Cena to retain. I was hoping that Angle would of made Masters tap,so that Angle would be WWE Champ but Shane still would of been new GM because Cena didnt tap out.

For some reason them censoring the You Suck chants (even if they are non existant) is bugging me almost as much as Cena.
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I'd also like to note the very loud "Cena sucks" chant the crowd had going. I knew Cena would retain... so that was the only thing that made it worthwhile. Truly priceless.

Yah that's true... for some reason Batista is a lot more entertaining... he's also a lot funnier then Cena without trying. Which helps a lot when he's on the mic.

Yeah, funny as hell what's happening to Cena. I still like him, they just need to do something else with him. Shane = blah.

Man I get so tired of this "Eric Killed WCW" shit. If I'm not mistaken, Vince Russo killed WCW, but I guess I should check my facts just to make sure. Fucking ghey.

Whatever, I'm just looking forward to seeing The Boogieman!!!

I could so see Flair getting involved in a road rage happening.

He throws his jacket on the ground and starts yelling and screaming nonsense until he goes red in the face and elbow drops his car, which by this point is completely covered in Flairs blood.

They should do a skit on Raw.

I was thinking the same thing... Shelton is jobbin to everyone lately which is moronic considering he's one of the most talented wrestlers on the RAW roster.

The way I see/understand it, Russo "killed" it with his crappy storylines, but Bischoff "killed" it with the huge contracts (and the terms of those) he signed talent to when WCW was on top.

Yeah I completely agree that Batista is alot better then Cena. Cena got stale a while ago where Batista is still going strong,hes not the greatest wrestler but he still makes you love him.

Did anyone else find Carlito really impressive last night? Its like they finally let him loose and he showed how good he could be. Best ive ever seen from him. (havent seen his PPV matches)
One last thing,at Survivor series didnt they say that they were debuting the Cutting Edge on raw last night? Where was Edge at all?

ahh edge, thats who RVD's gonna feud, forgot about him, thought he was smackdown for some reason

where the hell is RVD????

boogeyman was hilarious on RAW last week, hilarious, the laugh alone makes him better than everyone else, he should of fucked up cena, even though cena is the man, whether any of u like to admit it, cena = batista and is a great match to look out for down the road.

when the hell is boogey gonna wrestle????

that is all.

I dunno... Batista and Cena became champions at relatively the same time and I find myself real damn sick of Cena. Batista on the other hand I'm not. The reason I think is because the WWE is trying to push Cena to hard and I feel like I'm being force fed everytime he's on tv.

i kinda wish bischoff would go to tna. im so sick of vince throwing the "i killed wcw" in bischoff, and the wrestling fans faces. vince never had an yplans for wcw and prrobably never will. i think when he and bichoff do these wcw slams on air, its his way to sticking it to bichoff in front of the public.

i actually would like to see bischoff get fired..then come back with the nWo and kick the shit outta everyone on raw.

easy e shall return

Yeah, ok! Bischoff did kill WCW, it's a proven fact, however, he didn't do it alone. He had help from Vinnie Russo. With Russo's crappy story lines and always trying to make himself the centre of attention, and Bischoff always bringing in more established guys instead of pushing WCW's homegrown talent, killed the company. So get used to hearing that Bischoff killed WCW, cause the truth sometimes hurts.

Out of the two Champs, I agree that Batista is the more enjoyable one to watch, but I still like Cena. Don't ask me why.

Batista > Funaki > Cena

lol

Cena > Alpha

Alright well in that case


Gobbledy Gooker > Niko

Thanks for reminding. I had nearly forgotten completely about it.

Okay, seriously... I'm not sure what to think now. I think the WWE shouldn't be using Eddie's name to gain heel heat or face popularity. Rey "praying" to Eddie in his match was a little overboard, but I could have lived with it. The Big Show powerbombing Mysterio onto the car though... that's sort awkward. Randy Orton BLOWING the thing up though, come on.

Really, I'd like them never to forget Eddie... but using his name and props like this is just wrong.

I hear you on that one. With Chavo reverting back to his original gimmick & using Eddie's theme entrance & finishers along with Ray, it almost seems as though it's becoming forced on the WWE's behalf.

We all love & miss Eddie, but constantly badgering his name for promos isn't a sufficient way to honor his memory. It's amazing how the WWE has mostly the hispanic superstars paying homage to Eddie. They aren't the only ones who miss Eddie. JBL & Batista were very close to Eddie as well, you don't see the WWE overusing them for Eddie tribute promos. It almost seems stereotypical on the WWE's behalf.