I want Cena to win, but keep in mind, Angle is home here in Pittsburgh, so they might let him get the win..


This ppv looks pretty gross, I'm kinda glad I didn't waste money on the tickets, I'm going to watch it on PPV with some friends tho for shits and giggles.

Agree with you on all but 2

** Taker/Reigns.... Have to go with Taker. Doesn't have a thing for putting over new guys, and the whole deadman thing also! Reigns will put up a good effort though!
** 6 Man Cruiserweight Elimination Match.... Paul London is supossed to get a push so I think he'll win
** Tag title match.... Eddie is apparentlly going to turn on Rey during the match from what I've read so yeah I guess those faggots the Bashams will win
** Booker T/Heidenreich.... Booker T of course, Heidenreich is a loser, case in point, has lost the last several of his matches!


Why must we WWE fans be cursed with the following:
1)crappy, useless tag title matches on Raw and SD? Scrap both belts
2)JBL and Triple H as World Champions?
3)Stupid rookie Diva contests, and stupid rookie Divas?
4)Divas in general? Let's get rid of some of them and the Women's title
5)Losers like Maven, Heidenreich, Shitninzky, Jindrak, Chris Masters (I know he's not on tv yet, but COME ON!), etc.?
6)No push for RVD?
7)Triple H and JBL? (thought they deserved to be mentioned twice!!)
8)Stupid gimmik matches that involve food, pillows, objects-on-a-pole, Divas?
9)Repeated attempts to reserect dead gimmiks like Lex Luger's Narcisist charater (case in point, Chris Masters on Raw, Jindrak on SD)?
10)Wrestlers we want to just go away but won't like, Mae Young and Moolah, who just won't die already, and Flair, who just won't retire already, and Sean Waltman, and Billy Gunn both of whom re-debuted on TNA?

I think I make my point, it's just too bad Vinnie Mac won't ever see this list, not like it matters, it would likely give him more stupid ideas!

1 - Totally agree. The tag titles have been used as a joke lately; the only teams that win it are either the usual La Resistance, or teams that seem to be assembled from thin air (Tajiri/Regal, RVD/Mysterio...). I think two tag-team belts are too much for the WWE at this point but who the hell am I to say anything anyway...

2 - Well, I like both JBL and Triple H but I think they definitely need to stay away from the titles for a while. I think that will happen at WrestleMania and we may be in for a few months of Cena and Batista title reigns (although Batista, as spectacular he is, hasn't really convinced me that he can put on great matches yet).

3 - So true... Who cares about the 1 bazillion dollars Diva contests...

4 - I don't like women's wrestling so I have to agree... Divas as managers I don't mind but the wrestling always seems to be put together for acne ridden teenagers who are secretly wishing that some of them will strip for no apparent reason.

5 - Losers will always be a part of wrestling.. I mean, they can't all work wonders. The thing is, why pushing people who are OBVIOUSLY never going anywhere like Heidenreich (who has the coolest entrance song but that's not enough) or Snitksy, although Snitsky can actually put on a decent match while Heidenreich can't.

6 - I never liked RVD but then again, I never saw him being pushed as well.

7, 8 - lol

9 - I'm getting sick of the narcisit already. One was enough, two was pushing it over the limits of human patience, three is an insult.

10 - I like Ric Flair as a character, as long as he stays off the ring I'm OK with him... He's not "Heidenreich crappy" but he's nothing out of the ordinary as well...

Why must we WWE fans be cursed with the following:

1)crappy, useless tag title matches on Raw and SD? Scrap both belts

(There are 2 belts!!!???I didn't know it's a bad move then,when will we see a real memorable tag team again?)

2)JBL and Triple H as World Champions?

(I liked JBL being champ at first but just like HHH it's getting old)

3)Stupid rookie Diva contests, and stupid rookie Divas?

(The Divas are nothing but Tits and ass.Thats it.Get rid of them.It has NOTHING to do with wrestling!)

4)Divas in general? Let's get rid of some of them and the Women's title

(See Answer for question 3)

5)Losers like Maven, Heidenreich, Shitninzky, Jindrak, Chris Masters (I know he's not on tv yet, but COME ON!), etc.?

(Maven got screwed over just like anyone who wins a big reality show)


6)No push for RVD?

(The WWE Ruined RVD,The WWE dosen't even do Hardcore matches anymore.Ever since the Hardys and Dudleys came it's been all about TLC matches.I hate those matches!)

7)Triple H and JBL? (thought they deserved to be mentioned twice!!)

(GIVE SOMEONE NEW AND DESERVING A BELT,Personally I would love to see Hardcore Holly with the belt.Hardcore Holly says what he means)

8)Stupid gimmik matches that involve food, pillows, objects-on-a-pole, Divas?

(Sex Sells period,Some people are dumb enough to buy into this)

9)Repeated attempts to reserect dead gimmiks like Lex Luger's Narcisist charater (case in point, Chris Masters on Raw, Jindrak on SD)?

(This goes to show the WWE writers are LAZY!)

10)Wrestlers we want to just go away but won't like, Mae Young and Moolah, who just won't die already, and Flair, who just won't retire already, and Sean Waltman, and Billy Gunn both of whom re-debuted on TNA?

(I like Billy Gunn but he's passed his prime.He's NOTHING without Road Dogg.Xpac has hit rock bottom(Porno,Marrying Chyna,Drugs,begging Chyna to come back on his website,he even said he'll put Chyna over his kids on his website.Thats just wrong)

Vince will NEVER listen to us.Vince is all about $$$$$$$$$$.He dosen't give a care about the fans.

LOL! Wow, I didn't think my list would o over this well. I made the list cause I wanted to prove a point, we get so much shit shoved at us and nobody pays attention to us, Vince always says "well what do they know, the fans don't know wrestling like I do and only I know what they like and what they don't like" and that's allot of bull, cause yeah we might not be in the business, but we do know what we like and what we dislike and if Vince is smart and if the WWE truelly is a public company like is always said, then he should listen to the public, I don't think that's too much to ask is it??


** Now on to my review of NWO: **
Tag Title Match: The right team won as far as I'm concerned, great match with lots of action very solid. (5 Star match)

Cruiserweight Title Match: Waste of time in my opinion, though it was nice to see them tease London, though it would've been better to actually let him win. (3.5 Stars)

Heidenreich/Booker T: Stupid crappy borefest! I like Booker T, but come on, it was a miracle the match went as long as it did, considering Booker carried the match! (2 Stars)

Rookie Diva contest: Stupid waste of time, crappy borefest number two. The audience was dead the whole time during each segment, this really hurt my head! -12 Stars!

Cena/Angle: Noone was happier than I that Cena won. Great back and forth action with lots of near finishes. Solid action. (5 Star match #2)

Taker/Luther Reigns: Glad Taker won as I knew that he would. Luther should not be put over someone the caliber of the Undertaker, when it's painfully obvious he's still green. Case in point, never sold the Taker's offence very well, all but the Tombstone that finished him. (4 Stars)

JBL/Big Show: Good match, but not great. JBL can't wrestle out of a wet sack and Show carried the match just like everyone else who fights JBL has to, and of course his faggot henchmen get involved and the finished ruined an other wise ok match. I blame Show for being stupid enough to not pin Bradshaw when he had the chance. Great to see Batista and Cena get involved the way they did, and I love to see JBL get beated senseless! Not very solid match. (3 Stars)

What a shitty pay per view. I can't believe I paid money for this.


Eddie/Rey vs Goons - Good match, thanks to Eddie and Rey, the Bashams can't wrestle their way out of a paper bag. Yay another 'thrown together tag-team' wins the belts!! Speaking of 'thrown together'...

wtf, Booker T vs Heidenriech.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz why did this match even take place? I really like Booker T but this match had no hype, no reason, and nobody cared....speaking of nobody caring...

The Diva contest...I love T & A and I love Diva's, but this, much like the rest of the show, had no energy. Stupid, boring, pointless. Only good part was seeing Torrie Wilson over and over in that little dress...

Cruiserweight Match....here was the one I was waiting for...too bad it wasn't as good as it should have been...this went 10, 15 mins max which is a shame. Because it could have stole the show...


Undertaker vs Luther Reigns..........yay Smackdown! This match had me sleeping...another match nobody in the crowd gave a shit about, tho the Undertaker always (deservingly) gets a good pop...


Cena vs Angle - This match was imo the best...I was surprised Cena won, and I look forward to him vs JBL/HHH at WM...

Big Show vs JBL - Not a bad match, not a great match...I think the fact that blood was everywhere made me like this more...and Bradshaw going through the ring to the outside for the win was very clever, this one surprised me...

Then the typical goons vs faces and Batista and Cena save the day, then argue about who will fight JBL...


I'm glad I didn't buy tickets to this, and I'm mad I chipped in on it, this ppv had absolutely no heat, no fan reactions, no energy.

I personally give this ppv 2/5 stars..

The cruiser match didn't last even ten minutes, if I remember correctly.

Gha, so much talent is being wasted. WWE is so conservative now it's horrid. I don't want to beat an old horse, but in WCW I would see a new move or combonation of moves EVERY show, including Thunder, lol. It realy sucks, because there are some wrestlers in WWE that I really enjoy watching, but they aren't doing jack shit. Their TV time is very limited and even if they get a push, then their style becomes watered down.

I find if funny, though. We all bitch about certain things which are commonly identical, doing so adimately, yet still watch the WWE product. I do, and it makes me sick. We know when a match is going to blow; we know when a PPV is going to be trash and not worth the chips and salsa bought for its veiwing. Yet the entire internet wrestling fanbase acts so fucking suprised when it actually pans out that way. "sigh" We are all marks If only Heyman had some creative control.

Maybe I'm just going through a phase. Maybe wrestling is going through a phase. Perhaps it's just taking that dive it does every so often. Then in three or four years it will be worth watching again. I'm converting more to MMA, as well. I have family members who train in that shit and it's everywhere I go now. I find much more joy waiting a few months for the next Pride than waiting a week for RAW or SD. Not because it's real, but because it simply doesn't suck. If I could see mysterio, eddie, akio and london in a TLC every now and then I'd think differently, though. Meh...

Whoooohaaaaa!! to the thought of Batista cheering me up tomarrow, lol.

Well well well.

After watching another "blockbuster" PPV put on by the WWE i have reached the same conclusion, WTF. Here we have a young but experienced Booker T fighting another muscle bound crap wrestler who couldn't entertain a single person in the crowd. Then we have John Cena, an inexperienced wrestler who cant possibly be called a champion. Then JBL faces Big Show for the title, what a joke. The Big Show has proven that he shouldn't even be considered for a title. The Big Slow is finished, he should retire with what is left of his dignity. JBL is the worst champion ever, he was barely entertaining as (APA) Bradshaw, but trying to convince the crowd he is a intelligent buisnessman, talk about reaching into the bottom of the barrel for a champ, Show carried the match. Taker, legend of wrestling fighting Luthur Reigns, who the hell is he to even think about stepping into the ring with Taker. The Cruiserweight division, after making a name for himself in WCW Rey thinks he is a heavyweight in the WWE. This really is a division that needs to be better managed, they have the talent in London, Chavo, Akio but seriously things need to change.

Rather than focus on what a crap PPV this was how would you change the card.

Tomko VS Heidenreich

Cruiserweight Champion match: (6 men but change Spike with Rey), 3 on 3 tornado style

Diva segment, shortened though

Winning team from CruiserWeight Championship match have a 3 way dance.

Eddie Vs Cena Vs Big Show for Wrestlemania 21 (change weeks before)

Taker VS JBL Vs Booker T (No interference or crappy ending)


There you have it a decent PPV with the same talent (or lack thereof in some cases)

WWE doesn't listen to most fans because most fans are smark assholes, who claim they are fans, when all they do is complain.

Earlier in the thread, people wanted an Orton Push, they got it. Now look, you're crying like babies.
Most fans wouldn't be able to book matches good, even smarks who think they're all that.
When John Cena was heel, you couldn't get enough of him, and said all this good stuff about him, now that he's face, you guys crap on him.
And yes, the CW Division is crapped on.

And yet somehow, they still have an audience. They don't have to listen to every single person out there. If you don't like it, stop fucking watching it and shut the fuck up already.



Anyways, NWO was at least better than NYR. Royal Rumble however was a great success. But sadly, when Batisa is being pushed more, people in this thread and on the internet will suddenly complain about Batista. And to whoever said John Cena can't entertain, look at the crowd sometime, look at all the fans, then shut the fuck up.

exactly the reason why i watch tna now, that is doing so much better than wwe, or at least its trying a hell of a lot harder.

also on one note, the only guy really doing anything right now is batista, he is the only reason i really even glimpse at raw nowadays. jbl and hhh are complete fucking jokes as champions, and the tag team ranks are horrid (they always break up the tag teams).

oh and the diva shit is getting way stupid, and the wrestlers worth anything (rvd, rhyno, undertaker, kane, booker t, eddie, benoit, jericho, benjamin, and big show are all watered down and wasted).

cant wait till tna gets a major tv deal and people remember what its like when wrestling use to be "FUN"

I've been thinking the same thing. I hate all this shit, and I still tune in to watch it. It's lose lose for the fans. Lose if we watch it, and obviously, lose if we don't.
Everybody is always saying they're boycotting WWE, but nobody ever does.

What we need right now is another Bischoff. A ruthless motherfucker out to steal Vinces ratings, so that he'll sit up and take note... We should all support TNA more.

TNA is crap right now.

1. They aren't entertaining me.
2. They try too hard,
3. Lame selling and ring psychology,
4. They need to travel more than 3 miles each show,
5. Full of washed up WCW has beens,


I have a whole lot more reasons, but I'm tired. Go watch NJPW, AJPW, NOAH, ROH or CZW if you want good wrestling.

Oh, to the card the guy posted, that was worse than what the WWE had dude.


Anyways: I had 1 gripe about NWO: The Booker T vs. Heidenreich had almost no buildup, and seemed way random. And I do agree about the 'Diva' bullshit, Kick them the fuck off if they can't wrestle. If people wanted seductive women, people just watch porno.

Reading the results to NWO, the ending to the the Barbed Wire Cage Match was pretty clever, I guess it was the only logical way for JBL to beat the Big Show in any Cage Match.

The only thing I thought looked bad at the PPV was the Diva Search Bullshit. but other than that. I think No Way Out 2005 will be a worthy perchuse when it comes out on DVD.

Cena vs JBL for the Title at WrestleMania. that should be a good one.

1)crappy, useless tag title matches on Raw and SD? Scrap both belts
Instead of just going the easy route and just simply getting rid of them, why not try to improve them? yeah, there are a shortage of tag teams right now, but there are alot of wrestlers currently not being used that would make some good teams and make the Tag team division have more meaning. besides, I read that the WWE is planning on brining in some new tag teams soon. we'll see how that goes. Rey and Eddie just one the WWE Tag Titles, I think that right there is an awesome team

2)JBL and Triple H as World Champions?
As everyone knows by now, I'am loving JBL as WWE Champion, Iam sick of Triple H as World Champion though


3)Stupid rookie Diva contests, and stupid rookie Divas?
proabally the #1 thing I hate what the WWE is doing right now

4)Divas in general? Let's get rid of some of them and the Women's title
You know woman wants to be wrestlers to right? There are alot of good Woman Wrestlers like Molly,Victoria,Trish, and Lita. They need something to fight for which is why the Woman's title is needed. and believe it or not, there are alot of fans out there that enjoy woman wrestling hell, the trish/Lita Main-Event a couple of month ago was a great match IMO, and really tells you that Woman's Division can have plenty of good matches to.

5)Losers like Maven, Heidenreich, Shitninzky, Jindrak, Chris Masters (I know he's not on tv yet, but COME ON!), etc.?
Name me ONE Promotion in ANY year or decade where a wrestling fed didn't have their fair share of undercard useless wrestlers. sometimes, these undercard wrestlers could be pretty usefull sometimes.

6)No push for RVD?
yeah, he should definlly be pushed in the Main-event when he comes back

7)Triple H and JBL? (thought they deserved to be mentioned twice!!)Read #2

8)Stupid gimmik matches that involve food, pillows, objects-on-a-pole, Divas?
I agree, these segments are usless. just change the channel and turn back when its over. thats what I do.

9)Repeated attempts to reserect dead gimmiks like Lex Luger's Narcisist charater (case in point, Chris Masters on Raw, Jindrak on SD)?
Eh, I was't watching when Lex Luger was wrestling so this doesn't really both me.

10)Wrestlers we want to just go away but won't like, Mae Young and Moolah, who just won't die already, and Flair, who just won't retire already, and Sean Waltman, and Billy Gunn both of whom re-debuted on TNA?
Flair needs to stay, hes damn entertaining and still puts on some pretty good matches here and there. Young and Moolah only appears like once or twice a year so, eh. and I don't watch TNA

Because I live in the UK I have to tape the PPV's because they show at 1.00 am. However I asked my mum to tape it and I missed the Tag match and the Booker T match.

The JBL Vs Big Show match was good...excellent in fact. Like everyone else I believe that JBL will go onto fight Cena at W21 so when the Big Show left the cage I was surprised. The angle about JBL crawling out under the ring was very clever.

I hate the (useless) WWE divas more than anything else (more so than HHH) so this wasn't anything but a crappy time filler.

I loved the W21 goes hollywood advert with Mae and the fabulous Moolah...very funny.

I didn't really see the point in the end though when Cena attacked JBL.

If you pay money for this dvd I will come thru this computer and bitch slap you.



Like I said on the last page, last night. This PPV was God awful, and a horrible 'pre-WM' PPV. 2 good matches, a ton of bullshit, and no energy. Sounds like another Thursday night..

Man dude, you need to lay off of something here! Settle down. If you want to make comments about what you've read on this thread over the last few posts that's fine, just make sure you have an idea of what you're talking about before you comment!

TNA is actually doing quite well for themselves considering the lack of proper talent and financial backing, and yes I agree that they're not as good as the WWE, but give them time and I bet they just might surprise us all some day:

1. They aren't entertaining me. : That's fine
2. They try too hard, : Explain this one to me please??
3. Lame selling and ring psychology, : Not any worse than any other promotion past and present.
4. They need to travel more than 3 miles each show, : Not really true, allot of the guys actually re-located to the new location where they do the taping, I believe it's Orlando.
5. Full of washed up WCW has beens, : I agree with you here, can't forget the WWE has beens also!

As for "Go watch NJPW, AJPW, NOAH, ROH or CZW if you want good wrestling" you tell us how to find them on tv and maybe some of us will watch them. As far as I know North America has no access or very limited access to all of those promotions.

"WWE doesn't listen to most fans because most fans are smark assholes, who claim they are fans, when all they do is complain," I see where you're coming from, but it's because we're fans that we do complain, sure we know that we can't do a damn thing to fix the problems in wrestling, but damn it, it sure feels good to vent the frustrations out in a way such as this thread with other fans and for you to call us "smark assholes" is showing how little you know about wrestling in general, and a total lack of respect for those who want to post in this thread. I suggest you rethink some of
your comments, cause if you're going to continue to be disrespectfull then I ask you no longer post here!

Hold on guy. I'm pissed because of all the other forums screaming TNA ROCKS TNA ROCKS TNA ROCKS, when I give reasons they are bad. I don't think TNA is the worst fed ever, because that spot goes to WCW in it's last years. Can TNA get my interest back? Of course, they just need to focus on more wrestling from the people who aren't washups, get the belt THE HELL off of Jeff Jarret (HHH of TNA), and less on the WCW-Quality (not good) storylines they have.

And my comment about the assholes is completely fair, because I state that not all are assholes (people who actually give legitamate reasons for their critiques), and the assholes are the ones who say, "OMG (Insert latest PPV here) is the worst PPV ever, booking sucks", when they couldn't book anything if they had the job. Oh, and smark means someone who thinks they know everything about wrestling and complains way way way too much.

Oh, go download some ROH and CZW matches, because even if they don't have TV slots, some of their DVDs are worth it. But download some matches to evaluate if you want to get into those feds.

Last nights' PPV was disgusting.

Not worse than Taboo Tuesday.

And last night's PPV was better than most Brand exclusive PPVs from last year.

I liked no way out....it was good for a SD PPV.....7/10

Damn you people are really starting to bitch just WAY too much. Including people I like and respect. So please, people, take a look at your posts and realize the truth: SuperMarioBro is abso fucking lutely right. I was especially annoyed at the comments regarding Chris Masters. You haven't seen him on TV yet! How can you call him a loser? He was suppose to be good in OVW, can't he ''not suck'' just because he doesn't have a new gimmick? Gimmicks get re-acted all the time, and it's been a long time since the Narcisist. Mark Jindrak, the Reflection of Perfection, hardly counted. It's like his contract didn't allow him to leave Velocity or take part in any angles.
Is it really a freaking INSULT to have Chris Masters use the RoP gimmick again? Are you INSULTED at it? That's just pretty sad. And I know it's not true. Knowing you guys, I just don't believe that you actually feel OFFENDED by the fact that Chris Masters is coming. This could be the best version of the gimmick, he could be damn entertaining on the mic and the ring. But you wouldn't know- you're not even going to SEE his match. You're going to sit in front of the TV while it happens, and at the end of the show, say it sucked.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Chris Masters. It's no lie- I sure as hell go ''damn that's a pretty awesome body'' everytime his vignette comes on. I'm impressed by his physique, and as long as he can entertain me, I'll be glad.
The Tag Team and Women's division are a joke right now...SO, LET'S JUST BURN THE BELTS, SHALL WE? Hope? Faith? Sorry brother- I only know one word, and that's DESTROY THE DIVISIONS, BABY. Hey, JBL and Triple H are bad champions? Let's just end the Heavyweight division aswell, who gives a shit anyhow? (Just for the record, both JBL and HHH are great champs, in my view).
Damn, it's just impossible to please you people. No wonder the WWE doesn't listen, and Triple H always comes out with those brilliant shoot insults to the fans with internet access. We're all 12 year old kids who can't stop bitching and we don't apreciate the good things in the WWE. You know what? Iit's the damn truth. That's what most of us are, and for that reason, we'll never be listened to.

Pretty solid Raw tonight. HBK/Orton vs CC/Edge was friggin awesome, and my boy HBK got the pin

We all knew HHH was the one trying to get Batista out of Raw, so that was no surprise. But Dave givin him the 'thumbs up, thumbs down' was fucking beautifal. And that powerbomb thru the table was pretty sweet as well.

Wassup with Sheldon going crazy and bashing Shitskys head with the chair? That was crazy.

Chris Masterson was pretty good, strong, and I like the camel clutch type finisher, looked pretty good.

Simon Dean can't buy a win. And Godaddy.com Michelle can't buy acting lessons, but that's cool. Trish is really impressive anymore on the mic and in the ring, and I dig Christy so this angle doesn't irk me really (tho Molly/Victoria would rather be the ones in Trishs way I'm sure).

All in all, not a bad Raw (rhymessssss).

oh yea, HBK tellin Teddy Long to tell Angle he wants a match at Wrestlemania was great, can't wait for HBK to beat Angle down!

I saw the video of the ending to Raw and man that was awesome!, Batista out of no where knocking down Flair and and Triple H and powerbombing Triple H throught the Table. Batista got a huge pop that Orton wish he had during his push. I'am a fan of batista definlly.

and HBK Vs Kurt Angle is pretty much set sence Shawn challenged Angle tonight.

WrestleMania is gonna be awesome this year.

I saw the video of the ending to Raw and man that was awesome!, Batista out of no where knocking down Flair and and Triple H and powerbombing Triple H throught the Table. Batista got a huge pop that Orton wish he had during his push. I'am a fan of batista definlly.

and HBK Vs Kurt Angle is pretty much set sence Shawn challenged Angle tonight.

WrestleMania is gonna be awesome this year.