Wrong? Really, please enlighten me? Thats an early list from a few high level players. I suppose you laughed when Reptile was placed top tier in DA also/ (rolls eyes)

Someone pleeeease post more hotaru stuff :)

Heh, well, I just really feel bad because when this game came out I was so excited and was just ready to bust out Li Mei strats like no other but slowly I've basicaly lost any will or motivation I once had to work them out. I'm just done with this game at the moment lol but I still may post some Li Mei strats or something at some point but... Meh. They'll come when they come lol.

It's now Low-Low. I got cheesed by this move as well until I learned that it's now a double low and not low-mid.

Jester...where is Scorpion on your list? He is definitely top tier again in this game. I'd say it's more like this:

Liu Kang
Scorpion
Dairou
Hotaru
Noob-Smoke

etc.

Liu Kang is just too broken...

I love Liu Kang. Holy crap, he and Johnny Cage have always been my guys since the first MK and I am so glad he's broke. So don't go calling me a frontrunner or anything got it!

Are there any vids of HL players like MKL, FloE, konqrr, saty, mr.,....

I can't seem to find any, can you please upload a few konqrr?

It was fun watching JOP's Darrius on vid, but now I want to see how the best are doing...

Read your Ermac guide good read... I was aware of the low 30ish % ones but I didn't know about those two 39-41% combos so thx for those.

I'm seeing a lot of wrong tier lists.

No, your not.

As for Scorpion, I just don't see the dominance anymore, probably because a lot of characters have a way to esacpe the Spear/Fire trap now, not sure but I'm just struggling to hard for wins as opposed to DA.

How can we say what the tiers are 100% already? I mean, I'm not expecting this to be VF, where the tiers are debated to this day. But this games been out less than 2 weeks, I really doubt any characters full potential has been developed enough to adaquately rank them with certainty yet.

Also, A question about Tanya. Fighting against the CPU Tanya, i was cannon drilled 3x in a row. I wasn't trying to TR or anything like that, so I could have hit the ground, but I don't remember ever hitting ground. I tried to do this alot in practice, but could never get successive cannon drills to combo. Is it possible? Is my timing really off or is this just not gonna happen?

I'm trying to find a 35% damage Hotaru combo.

I'm in Konquest in the order realm and I'm fighting Bo rai cho. I need a 35% combo to complete the mission.

I've been trying all kinds of combinations but either the juggles stop by them selves or I just can't get past 33% damage.

This is the biggest combo I have so far. 8 hits, 33% damage.
Start in Ba Shan Fan

2, 1, cs, b+1, d+1, 2, 2, 4

somebody hook me up!

I know what you mean, I'm not gonna clutter this thread up with anything, but I just gotta say... I haven't ranked in more than 15 hours on the game and I'm already tired of the simplistic 50/50 mixups. It's a done deal, I have problems picking it up like Deadly Alliance again except my little 10 year old brother has a lot of fun with it online (and he can beat 90% of the people online with his 50/50's that I taught him after only 2 days... so you know how I think about the game right now.) Was kinda funny that all it took was to go onto this thread and read how Scorpion was played from Versatile and then learning his one chain and suddenly people were swearing at me every other XBox Live game... as for helping show how random this game is, I don't need to do that anymore. It seems like every other game I join, there's already someone else showing it, so the community is already at the point where out of every 3 people you play, you'll play against someone who really only uses optimal moves.



Great strats guys, I have fun reading em.

Want to go over some Ashrah stuff since I haven't seen anything. Ashrah is anything, but safe, so taking risks with her is a must. Risk vs. Reward wise, Ashrah isn't a smart character to play, but she can be a bitch when it comes to 50/50 assuming you constantly guess right... which is the same for most, but anyways, the reason its fun to play with her revolves around her trap.

d,b+1 Lightning Blast, she shoots it into the air, you want to release this DURING your juggles (so that it lands on them right when they get up) and after knockdowns (be smart). This is a mid hitting projectile, forcing players to stand. Its very frustrating against many unaware players and since they are forced to stand to block, you can proceed with a low or throw (into a juggle, hopefully you only poke a few to do Lightning Blast again).

Besides the trap, there are some tools that I use to frustrate people with.

Kryss -
Mids: b+1 (mid launcher) / f,f+4 (torpedo)
Lows: u+4 (sidetepping knockdown low), d+1
Throw
Lightning Blast Trap
Chain: 3,4,2,2.. pretty good mixup for when your opponent starts blocking those lows too much.

Chou Jaio -
Lows: b+3 (knockdown)
Throw, torpedo, Lightning blast, etc.

Hmm.. not too enthusastic about continuing Ashrah stuff, just know the Lightning Blast trap and have fun with that.

2,1,cs, 2,2,cs, d+4 = 37....has to be corner trap, but it's easy.

Awesome, thanks!

(edit) I tried your combo, but I couldn't get it to connect all the way.

But I mannaged to figure out a 35% combo that worked and it's easy to do.

It's a corner trap. So get the opponent all the way against the wall and start off in Ba Shan Fan.

2,1,cs,d+1,2,2,4

The juggle will end automatically after the second to last hit. to make (4) connect easy, just tap 4444.... fast and it will come out in time to catch the opponent before they hit the floor.

alright dude i know a 36% combo with hotaru (I had to do the same mission)
all that you do is 2,1 sc 2, 2, up 1 and you hit a 36%. its insanely short but it works! i do it all the time. hope this helps

also I like to find higher combos but I dont use all my time in fighting on it...I mess around alot and just have fun. so the_truth dont sweat it just have fun with the game...faqs will come and go but you dont wana ruin your whole gaming experience on doing something you dont want to do you? so im just sayin keep it cool and dont look at the game as a way to examine a gameplay engine or highest combo, use the game how it was meant to be and have fun! lol not sure if you needed to hear this but its just my 2 cents.

Yeah HD, that's the first thing me and my friend figured out when playing her, totally unsafe, but dude, her damage is simply infuckingsane.

Chu Chao(first stance): d,u+3,2,2,1,cs,2,1,cs = 48%..say word? YES! 48%. You can substitute d,u+3 with u+4 with the SAME results! Yeah baby. Mix that ish up with the throw and you have yourself a 50/50 where they either take 48% or 31% off the throw juggle..YEAHHHH!

So me and my friend just got into Sindel, and she's very,very solid as of right now.

Simple shit....

As of right now it appears that Kwan Do is the way to go. u+2/u+1 = very effective 50/50. AMAZING range, nasty damage. Don't bother with throws for Sindel unless perhaps you are near a DT. Scream when neccessary, for I haven't come up with any true set ups for it yet, ill let the true Sindel players take care of that. Off u+1 cs~cs~1,1,1,3,cs,4,1 for I believe 43% damage. Make them scared as hell of eating u+1. That's when you rape them with u+2. Simple,scrubby and very effective.

Sub-Zero vs Scorpion = pure hell for the Sub-Zero player, but WITHOUT A DOUBT A WINNABLE MATCH UP! You must be smart, and you must fuck with the Scorp player's head. This is all a match up of mind games. The only problem is Scorp has much safer mind games(not neccessarily better or more rewarding, but safer) so it's a huge chance that the Scorp player will control the momentum, but just be smart. First off, don't ever use d+3 vs him. That's just asking for a f+1 in ya grill. Place your d+1's properly as well, for if it whiffs you're in for a world of hurt as well. Train Scorp to duck. Throw a whole fucking lot. Even when you catch him with a freeze, fuck juggling, throw. Throw with Sub = 18% damage. Two of those = 1 Sub-Zero juggles. Sub's throw also leaves you in GREAT position for the most part. You can walk up and throw them again, cold shoulder for a mid, or even better, Kori: b+2. One mind game I love is to throw them in shotokan, walk up and while walking up, switch to Kori Blade, making them automatically think you are going to b+2 them. WRONG! Throw their ass. Use your only mental twists on this and you will find a great strategy. The Scorpion player, if smart and quick enough can d+1 you out of pretty much anything you attempt off a throw, make him regreat that. If you feel he's going to d+1 you out of your mix up, walk up a bit right out of d+1 range, and instead of mixing up just let him whiff his d+1, and cold shoulder his ass. d+1 may seem safe but if you are quick enough it can be punished. Whiffed hellfires = punish..duh. Also, use to your advantage that most scorpion players INSTANTLY go to blocking if f+1 is blocked. Walk up and throw them. If they get used to this and duck, cold shoulder or Kori: b+2.

After playing Li Mei hardcore as of late, her weakness is definately her range. When this is overcomed she is damn right nasty however. Right now I have 2 feasible ways of playing her. First of all, rush down = must, but you rush down smartly. Don't feel rushed to get in, for remember if you don't get in your opponent will, which really helps you out since you want to be close with her. I've already preached the greatness of Mi Zong(b+3,u+4,b+4,throw), now i wanna talk a bit about her weapon, kunlo do or whatever the fuck it is. d+1 is a pretty ok option for pressure. Works a little bit like Scorpion's d+1 in Mogai Ryu with less range. d+3 works a lot like it, but it hits mid and comes out slower. 2 is great. Amazing priority, comes out pretty quick, and stuffs almost anything if you space and time it properly. Just a lil li mei flava in ya mouth. More with her later..


This just in with Scorpion...credit DIRECTLY to MKL for this(i just refuse to call that man Neo..too fruity to me)

spear(must be a spear by itself),side walk,spear again,2,3,u+4,2,2,cs,1,3,3,cs,hellfire for 48%. That's crazy, too bad you have to set up a spear for this to be of any use.

Bleed, sorry man. That d+4 was supposed to be a d+2, lol, sorry. And you have to delay the pi 2,2,cs after the launcher... meh

i agree w/ ur list but i think sindel belongs on it and not dairou.. he good but i tend to jump alot and move down and up, jump some more to avoid all of his ground slamming and switch position moves. i have no problem beating him online vs people, by using sindel also sindel is a good counter for noob~smoke, but vs a good liu kang player i have to switch 2 her 1st 2 styles for speed, but those styles take crap damage.. but the fu style combos r extreamly safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanx for the raiden help!

hope to play u online soon konqrr!
i think these 5 r tops. but thats just me and im dumb!!

Scorpion
Liu Kang
sindel
kabal
night wolf

ok...Li Mei has some broken combos.

I just figured out several variations of 50%+ combos and even a 65% one

o_O

I'll explain later...with vids.

plz do lol sounds good...one really easy combo with her (even if it is nooby) is to use f,d+3 , d,b+4 , f,f+2. its 3 of her specials but it does like 38% that easy. also yes she does have insane combos which im still working on with her. li mei is without a doubt my fav girl chara and im still gettin used to her.
and dairou has a killer sword! if you do b+2, b+2, 1,1,f+3 you hit 40% just like that.
im not much of a combo maker but just tell me one and i can usually do it

Yo Kelly have you gone combo crazy or somethin? I haven't seen one Sub or Li Mei strat from you. Surprising to say the least..

Man, I never thought i'd be into Li Mei too. Remember when I made fun of you saying you're going to play her..lol.

I dont have time to be DLing vids, so run that combo by me here in text please..the li mei one that is.

This is not a strat, but Jade takes too much damage. =/ By the way, Vers and Konqrr, check your damn PMs. I PM'd you both like, a week and a half ago, and still no replies.

SWB, still holdin down Sub? I should be getting high speed real soon, so I hope we can have our self some matches..

Havik strats coming soon..lol....

Raiden's boring as hell, but damn good. I don't feel I need to post any strats on him. I really want to get a good feel of Jade, but is it me, or does she just not have any true tools besides crazy damage? I wish the big time Jade players ive been hearing about like Colt would post here..ah well. We'll see...

If anybody has any questions about Sub,Scorp,Li Mei or Liu Kang just hit let me know and I can probably help you...lates.

I got a tier list but not in a real order.

Knightwolf is definetly up there
liu kang
scorpion
ashrah
noob smoke
hotaru
diarou is ok not top though.

Yeah, I'm still on Sub-Zero, trying to see if he has any other moves that could help his game out a lot, aside from what we already know. It's a bit frustrating; especially Dragon, and that's the style I keep switching to, only because it has u+4, which I can use against bastards that like to SS/SW. Shotokan is all linear, and all of Kori Blade's horizontals can be severely punished on block. Dragon u+4 can also be punished, but it KD's if it connects, unlike the horizontals in Kori (There is 1,b+1, but anyone who uses that consistently should not be allowed to touch Sub-Zero).