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10/29/2004 03:34 AM (UTC)
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It was actually my friend that found out about it not me :) So dont give me the credit.
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Scoot-Magee
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10/29/2004 01:10 PM (UTC)
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Yo versatile... I got another good mix with smoke. It starts off like the one you said. Smoke screen, ff4, 3 but then instead of that overhead or U+4 Do change stance to noob and go for a F+4,B+4 or throw. If you land the throw and do FF,3 with noob right after it hits no matter what.then right away change to smoke again and start another mixup with what you said. It works great. Also ninja stars do great damage after FF+4.
For smoke I lke throw, ff4, u+4, qcb 2, ff4 it's hard to get the last smokeycut off but it's possible.

Am i wrong, or does side step canceling make kira as broken as BRC?

Also, what are some good damaging Ermac combos I may not know of? Currently I like (in stance 2, the fut one) b+2, teleslam, b+2, teleslam, telethrow but i want some other ones to mix that up with. Unless you know of something truly brutal from his 1st or 3rd stance, as far as I know, his 2nd stance is by far his best.

Surely Tanya's invisibility plus her many low moves make her a contender. I use her in stance 2 mainly as well, but I'd love to hear some other opinions on that..

And howabout Liu Kang? I usually keep him in stance 1 and go for 11 f+2 then combo into another launch move into a bicycle kick.

I've got questions to ask and stuff to offer for pretty much every character, but I'll try to pace myself.. thanks for all the help thus far! Can't wait till I'm on xbl again! (hardware issues)
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Versatile
10/29/2004 11:01 PM (UTC)
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"its funny you still wanna talk about sub all the time...he sucks..and theirs nothing you can do about it"

Nah hes ok...

Nice stuff Scoot. I like keeping shit as basic and unbreakable as possible however.

You guys got any advice on how to get playing online with a laptop wireless but with a DSL connection? Please help.
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Versatile
10/30/2004 06:03 PM (UTC)
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my bad on that double post..anyway...more advanced shit with Sub/Noob -Smoke

~Sub~

Sub's wall game is somewhat good. When you have them near a wall after b+2,d+2, walk up. You now have a pretty much GUARANTEED 50/50 that they cannot back tech out of like they normally could. Also, you can back up and get into clone position and do it, then walk back up and see how they react. If they step around the clone step with them. If they block, 50/50,etc. If you throw them against the wall it leaves you in a funny position camera wise and their positioning gets fucked up so I either walk up and throw if they tend to block right after eating a throw or take one step forward and clone if they tend to attack, then turtle behind clone or walk up in front of it, just fuck with their head. Also, my friend LOVES to interupt my mix up off of a throw by throwing out a d+1(he's a scorpion/noob-smoke and darrius player. he does d+1 when he's scorpion). If sometimes that happens remember that low pokes have kind of bad recovery time. Take step forward, but don't clone, see if they do that low poke anticipating you to attack. If they do, it will whiff and you can punish if you are quick enough. d+3 is the shit for people that are very offensive, it zones them out and keeps you on the defensive. Use it a lot when they are getting in close. That's pretty much all for now.

~Noob Smoke~

Noob's smoke's wall game is SUPER NASTY. When near a wall, smoke their ass. If they block, walk up and throw their ass. If they duck, 3. Do whatever you can to keep them in the corner. If it means sidestepping after a throw,side walking, whatever it takes to make them feel as hopeless and helpless as possible. I can't explain this in text really, so you guys will when you play my NS. i'd also like to say that the teleport punch when noob is out and it goes to smoke is very safe and comes out quick. Good way to start your match off since you are noob in the beginning. My friend mainly uses this, and it works on my sometimes.

some shit on other characters.....

~Li Mei~

Li Mei is EASILY the most boring character in MKD! The real challenge in playing her isn't even handling higher tier characters, it's not falling asleep! Anyway, the basis of her game is Kunlun Dao: 2. This is one of the better moves in deception. Hits mid, does 10%, has great range, is relatively safe, has awesome priority and guarantees you a throw. 2,throw = 26%, so if you connects Kunlun Dao: 2 4 times the match is over if you do your math. Now the best way to play Li Me is in an EXTREMELY defensive, but unorthodox manner. Turtle, but keep your distance at mid range, which is where 2 is most effective. If you predict an attack, 2. It will most likely beat the move out. If it's blocked, quickly backdash or duck, whichever you feel is the better option considering your opponent. If an attack whiffs you can either do 2 or throw. Throw leaves you at shitty positioning, so u have to zone out and play your best defense AGAIN to set up the 2 and ur free throw. I find playing li mei most effectively is by trying NOT to block as much as possible. Make kunlao: 2 and good movement your defensve. Obviously for certain situations you'd be an idiot not to block, but you get my point.

Now Li Mei is one of those characters where you really don't have to change your gameplan no matter who you face except iwht a few minor things, however, vs Sub-Zero and Noob-Smoke when you anticipate them doing a cloud or clone, projectile their ass since it's guaranteed if you nail it at the right time since Sub and NS both recover slow after it.

later on...a few anti strategies for Sub and Noob-Smoke.

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terminator02
10/30/2004 06:15 PM (UTC)
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Can you guys clarify the baraka strats? He is my main character and I cannot play against great players with kobra and nightwolf very well. My xbox ranking is anywhere from 500-3000. How can you throw then follow up with b1?? it doesnt make sense? Also what combos are you guys referring to using after a throw. i forget what neo said the full combo was...but 4,1,1, in blade stance is not a combo at all?? Im really trying to get some good strats on baraka and would appreciate some help to elevate my playing. Thanks all
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mktruelegend
10/30/2004 07:42 PM (UTC)
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My baraka is very half assed..pretty much all I do is mix up the sweep in blade stance with 3,3,2,1,1,1, or atleast i think thats the combo. Anyway the sweep is untechable, so it leaves them in a helpless 50/50 guessing situation. If they guess right they can punish the 3,3,2,1,1,1, but the sweep is 100% unpunishable. Obviously you have to be in close to do this, so find ways of getting in. f,f+3 is good to throw out here and there. That's about all I have..I don't play Baraka. I find him boring.
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10/30/2004 08:38 PM (UTC)
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LOL im at my friends about to play some MK and i decided to post. I thought I was signed in as my name, but I was him, so that was me posting that baraka shit..my bad.

Anyway....mileena shit...............


Her second stance is where to be. Mileena requires you to be in close to win, so progress forward and block when needed. When in close, b+2 is the shit. It comes out quick, is safe on block , but hits high. However, it hitting high is sort of a good thing. When they duck, change up from the b+2 to 4,3,cs. Also, when they are standing and blocking stop using b+2 and throw here and there. This will really make them want to duck. Use the roll here and t here when you want an easy way of getting in, but if it's block you're gonna get raped so be careful. That's the basis of mileena.
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jetjaguar
10/31/2004 04:22 AM (UTC)
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well dont know if these have been mentioned yet .. but here it goes
a nice 4 hit bo rai cho one .. about 39%

in first stance

1,2,CS,2 =38-39%

also a less godly shujinko combo ..
it will work with any launcher really ..
in mantis

b+2, lei mei flip kick, into lui kang bicycle kick = 48%

alot shorter then the others ones and alot easier and quicker and pretty good damage ..


also just a quick question .. how do u guys get out of corner traps .. when someone just spams 50/50 .. with brc .. he seems so slow to duck or get of it .. ??
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Versatile
10/31/2004 12:51 PM (UTC)
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Dude, just guess right. Now I know im making that sound easy, and it's not easy at all actually. Read your opponent's patterns. How they mix up, do they do the same thing twice then switch? Then maybe next time they'll do it once then switch. Just gotta think smoothly. When you duck a throw punish as hard as possible with a quick slashing low or throw them back. If it's a mid attack it's probably unsafe depending on the character...so just punish that.
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jetjaguar
11/01/2004 05:46 AM (UTC)
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anyone know a good mid - low with brc .. in whichever stance .. i know 3 with the weapon hits mid and guarentees the throw .. just wondering .. thanks
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Versatile
11/01/2004 09:44 PM (UTC)
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stick to that.
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edtricycle
11/02/2004 02:55 AM (UTC)
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here some good DARIUS shit

switch to weapon stance then mix up with
down -forward three x and three

if three hits follow up with down-forward three again
then start the mix up again

*downforward three unbreakable
if there are no breakers left then follow up with 1,2,4,4,4 (30-37)%

if you cant do that your a straight up d/a

thats all i got for now

peace
This game comes down to fast mids.

Admittedly a lot of my strats are just things I've read on here and other places, so i won't just re-type shit.

But I think the key to figuring out character strategy is figuring out all the mids and then finding good moves to mix up with them, lows and throws in particular.

Make them fear the mid. Sometimes they'll be so scared of it, you'll be able to hit with everything else.

Jade, for instance, has a nice b2 in bo stance. it doesnt have the best range, but if u train them to fear low shots and 23 and throws, etc.. The b2s can really start messing with them.

My point is:

WHAT ARE EVERYBODY'S (best) MIDS?? I know a lot of em, but if we compile a good list, I think everyone will benefit.

I'd list all the ones I know but: a. i have to run to class b. most of em are ones everyone knows(darrius weapon 3, raiden f2, smoke u4 etc etc)
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jetjaguar
11/02/2004 07:58 PM (UTC)
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noob has f1 .. hits mid and is fast
smoke has 3 .. looks high but hits mid ..

thats it for now
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11/03/2004 03:07 AM (UTC)
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Does anyone have ANY Tanya strats? I've been trying to improve my Tanya game, but I'm not really the type for figuring out strategies.
Since she starts in Zi Ram Men I usually try to get in a style branch combo off the bat to get into Yue Chuan and get in a little damage. Yue Cheun doesn't seem half bad to me, but Kobu Jutsu is definately her bread n butter. b+2 (I think) in both Kobu Jutsu and Yue Chuan are good, quick lows (esp in Kobu). I've been playing with Cannon Drill for along time now. Can't really seem to get anything good out of it. It definately floats, but unless you use it from far away its really hard (impossible?) to pull off a follow up combo. Maybe i'm just to slow? If you distance it right getting up to 35% of it is easy, but using the Cannon Drill at a distance is not so good. I whore her Invisibilty, b+2 and Cannon Drill in Kobu Jutsu, but there's got to be better than that. Also, what is the deal with her invisibilty and Kobu Jutsu? I thought if you went invisible while in Kobu Jutsu, they were invisible too, but this doesn't seem to always be the case. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt. As far as I can tell, they remain visible if you're in her alt costume (?). Just another reason to hate that outfit. Any help with Jade's new rival??
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11/03/2004 06:01 AM (UTC)
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I've not played with Tanya much, but mix up her Weapon B+2 with the sweep (forgot the command) Change up B+2 with B+2, B+1 into combo. She's pretty slow to recover from things, so she can be hard to play with. But she's definitely got the damage.
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11/05/2004 04:25 AM (UTC)
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deeply sorry if this has been posted, but 10 pages is too much

im not sure of the percentage, but my favorite Scorpion combo that was basically carried over from MKDA is his Hapkido 2,3,u+4,u+4...2,2,cs,1,1,1 Versatile, I know it would take a hell of a lot of work, but it would be nice if at some point you could organize this. Actually, maybe if everyone just tried to concentrate all strats of one character in one area, that would be awesome.
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edtricycle
11/05/2004 04:34 AM (UTC)
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someone asked for the bests mid for the chars..here's a couple..

Darrius - Gauntlets: 3
Sub-Zero - Kori Blade: b+2
Noob-Smoke - Mi Tzu:u+4/3
Li Mei - Kunlun Dao: 2
Scorpion - Mogai Ryu: f+1
Ermac - Huay Chan: 1
Liu Kang - Jun Fan: 1,1,3
Bo Rai Cho - Jujotso: f+3

basketball and i wanna play 3rd strike..more tomorrow.
OK, I'm finally online! Fixed the xbl.. my handle is ThisGuileKillYa.

Cool to finally face some higher skilled players.

I want to think up my own personal tiers for the characters, but it seems like there is a lot of "counter character" stuff going on so it's hard. Every character has some really good shit. All I can say for sure is 1. Shujinko 2. Liu Kang.

Thanks for those mids. Very helpful.
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scorpion1000
11/05/2004 07:18 PM (UTC)
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Yo neo i faced you on mk online when you where using the name the babe. I was using my name fgm. I remember i beat you and you quit. It was a scorpion vs dairou match. ITs funny that sorpion owned you then you quit.
Yeah, what is up w/ the jade low fireball? I saw someone post that it's a lag related glitch but i find that very hard to believe.

Anyone know? Someone did it to me, I should have blocked it high just to see...

Another question.. who has combos that hit both low AND mid?? Strategically, these are HUGE! I've seen it from Nightwolf, Havik, and Raiden. Maybe some of them are high and low, as opposed to mid(pretty sure 'wolf's hits mid, tho), but even still they seem strategially important.
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11/06/2004 03:12 AM (UTC)
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can anyone give some strats on using ermac and kenshi?
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Sub-ZeroMasta
11/06/2004 03:26 PM (UTC)
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HAHA

scorpion1000 Wrote:
Yo neo i faced you on mk online when you where using the name the babe. I was using my name fgm. I remember i beat you and you quit. It was a scorpion vs dairou match. ITs funny that sorpion owned you then you quit.
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queve
11/06/2004 03:40 PM (UTC)
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So, when will we see a definite Top Tier list? I’m curious to know were the characters stand in the rank.

I know for sure that Bo Rai Cho, Dairou (spelling?), Scorpion and probably Nightwolf are top players.

Can anyone tell me whats so good about Jade? I get kind a bored when playing her character.

Yo Vers, so, is Li Mei good or bad? She is actually one of my top players. So easy to control and command. And she does good damage.
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