Wow thx for the warm welcoming I thought that being a n00b, I might have a hard time 'breaking the ice' w/ the MK: DA hardcore community, but I feel welcome here.

Anyways, yea like I stated I have just gotten into fighting games and have just bought MK: DA...and I really like it so far. I definately have a lot of reading to do to try to bring me up to date on the knowledge of the fighting engine...everyone's weak points and general fighting styles etc...but I'll remember not to be a 'fighting forum fanboy' and still try to find my style.

Note: I definately want to try Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution eventually...but right now most of my attention will be on this game and Soul Calibur 2. And thx for the welcoming again.

just out of curiosity to the guys who did the tier list,
what factors did you take into account before basing a decision per character, or in better words, what pointers did you look for in each characters?

1. How safe the character is
2. How many bad match ups he has
3. How easy it is in general to win with the char
4. Priority

Those are the four things I think me,mkl and konqrr went by back then. Lots of shit has changed,however, and I feel I goofed up a bit by putting some characters too high(sub-zero) and some too low(reptile), so Im working on Tier List Version 2.

Priority...what do you mean exactly? do you focus on pointers like...
sweep/low attacks
pop-ups/pop-backs
usefulness of special style moves?

If I add those to your pointers, im going to come out with my own tier list.

About bad matches...do u mean playing against the computer on MAX or something?

This is as interesting as watching A chicken being cooked in front of me when im starving.

puck puck

LOL dont make that big of deal of this tier list. Its basically just a revamped list and explanations as to why each character is where they are.

When I said prioriy I meant how much..well...priority that character has. Like, Jax's Muay Thai: 2 is fast,has good distance and does solid damage. It also tracks and is very diffuclt to duck. Thats good's priority. Jax's machine gun is slow,goes vertical, isn't safe and doesn't do that much damage unless in close, so it has bad priority.

well ok but there are some concerns i have about your tier list.

Has it taken into account guys like quan chi, hsu hao, raiden, who once pull a reversal out, can into a full 3 style brancher?

Just curious?

yes

When re-working this tier list, can you keep in mind that Mavado DOES have an infinite combo?

Long Fist style, B+2. TIme it right so they come DOWN on his knee, and you can get an insane amount of them in (my current record is eight, but that's because I screwed up timing. Technically speaking, it may be possible to carry out this combo indefinately.)

One thing I might add, however, while performing this infinite combo was that Shang Tsung (the target) was up against the wall of the arena. Maybe this also is a factor?

LK9T2 signing off.

Um, was that in practice mode? If you're playing against a human they can block that after the third hit! That is the maximum # of juggles for ALL characters.

Sorry dude, we all thought about things like that when DA first came out.

Okay, my bad.

Maybe i'm just trying to put Mavado, my fave character, over too much.

mavado is a top 7 character. hes too good. hookswords for life! best wepon in DA by far.

He got screwed over, special-move wise IMO. Only two, and one is pretty much an escape?! Insane!

Plus, Hookswords are very overpowered.

(Using gamecube buttons)

Y,X,X,
Imagine if he only had a Neijin...

dude shang tsung, is the best damn character and kung lao is the second best and he aont on your list wats wrong with u.

shang has the easiest 30 hit combo by just smashin box, box, box, and other stiff, and his sowrd combo is badass, he is fastest character in the damn game , but with scorpion,i know how to do an 83 hit combo with scorp in training mode.

jdogg5543 Wrote: dude shang tsung, is the best damn character and kung lao is the second best and he aont on your list wats wrong with u. shang has the easiest 30 hit combo by just smashin box, box, box, and other stiff, and his sowrd combo is badass, he is fastest character in the damn game , but with scorpion,i know how to do an 83 hit combo with scorp in training mode.

stop with the foolishness

You are making yourself look bad

please stop

or keep doing it, either way it's funny.

rayrokka Wrote: jdogg5543 Wrote: dude shang tsung, is the best damn character and kung lao is the second best and he aont on your list wats wrong with u. shang has the easiest 30 hit combo by just smashin box, box, box, and other stiff, and his sowrd combo is badass, he is fastest character in the damn game , but with scorpion,i know how to do an 83 hit combo with scorp in training mode. stop with the foolishness You are making yourself look bad please stop or keep doing it, either way it's funny.

hahahhahaha

These tier things are really quite foolish. I mean if you look at the Difficulty ratings assigned by the designers when you are on the char. select screen you could use that as the "Creator's Choice Tier"...
But realistically the only TIER is the one you create for yourself. Some of you may be really badass with one char. that someone else has no ability to use at all. I myself can wreck with Scorpion (not exactly difficult given he's easily the best and I know combos that are nearly infinite and can do between 25% upto 60% easy. Little repetitive they may be but from what I've read of your styles of play being extremely cheap and noobie like in using the same sequence over and over and over like the juggles you value so highly, I suppose a redundent combo isn't of much concern as long as you get the win around here. I know in my circle such things are condemned as simply being a cowards trick, so I am used to limiting myself to 50% damage combos or less sometimes). I am also really good with Raiden but I only really use his Nan Chuan style with its short but exceptionally powerful combos. I can't recall the exact presses but I believe it was a brief string that ended in a a pop up uppercut(b+2) then you juggle with a second b+2 and catch his in either his throw or his Grab and Shock special. Does quite abit and its easy. I'm okay with Kitana as long as it is her Eagle Claw or Steel Fan style. Sonya is one my favs. I like Reptile but I usually get my ass handed to me by human players with him. I'm good with pretty much everyone except for:
Li Mei (waste of a char in my opinion)
Bo Rai Cho (ditto)
Mavado (ditto again, he's definitely the lamest in my book.. his hookswords are the only thing that saves him and those will always be Kabal's. I don't think one style is enough to place a char. in top or even mid tier. Tiers if used should be overall and be pan-styles)
Drahmin (ditto but not as much as Mavado)
Nitara (she's okay but I just suck with her)
Quan Chi (I don't like Quan Chi in this game.. he has the worst fatality and his styles are only so so. his weapon is his best style and it is too repetitive for my tastes).
Cyrax (always liked him but in this game he is just too limited. I don't know to many people that find him all that effective).

But these are just MY opinions and abilities. My tier is going to be alot different from anyone elses because my tastes and strategic style is different from someone elses. We are all unique and many forget these things when they begin arguing over "who rules the tournament and who sucks the fat monkey". Everyone is differnent so just play the game and figure out for yourselves whose styles suit you the best.

Versatile Wrote: rayrokka Wrote: jdogg5543 Wrote: dude shang tsung, is the best damn character and kung lao is the second best and he aont on your list wats wrong with u. shang has the easiest 30 hit combo by just smashin box, box, box, and other stiff, and his sowrd combo is badass, he is fastest character in the damn game , but with scorpion,i know how to do an 83 hit combo with scorp in training mode. stop with the foolishness You are making yourself look bad please stop or keep doing it, either way it's funny. hahahhahaha

"These tier things are really quite foolish. I mean if you look at the Difficulty ratings assigned by the designers when you are on the char. select screen you could use that as the "Creator's Choice Tier"..."

Wrong. Reptile has a difficulty of 5 and hes top tier, while Nitara has a difficulty of 5 and is mediocre at best.

"I myself can wreck with Scorpion (not exactly difficult given he's easily the best and I know combos that are nearly infinite and can do between 25% upto 60% easy."

up to 60% easily? I know these combos for Scorpion are non existant, but for comedy's sake I would like to hear them.

"Little repetitive they may be but from what I've read of your styles of play being extremely cheap and noobie like in using the same sequence over and over and over like the juggles you value so highly.."


Cheap and Noobie? No one cares about "cheap" and noobie. A cheap winner is still a winner, and an honorable loser is still..guess what? A LOSER. My juggle variations are unlimited, but when I am playing vs someone worthy I limit my juggle to the ones that actually do damage. It only makes sense.

"I know in my circle such things are condemned as simply being a cowards trick, so I am used to limiting myself to 50% damage combos or less sometimes)."

Why? Why make up rules to limit yourself? If your friends cant handle your juggle then tell them to use some just as cheap. THAT is redundant.

"I am also really good with Raiden but I only really use his Nan Chuan style with its short but exceptionally powerful combos. I can't recall the exact presses but I believe it was a brief string that ended in a a pop up uppercut(b+2) then you juggle with a second b+2 and catch his in either his throw or his Grab and Shock special."


Who the hell juggles with Raiden? It's so uneffective.

"Mavado (ditto again, he's definitely the lamest in my book.. his hookswords are the only thing that saves him and those will always be Kabal's. I don't think one style is enough to place a char. in top or even mid tier. Tiers if used should be overall and be pan-styles)"

Blech! Who cares how many stances it takes to get the job done? If one stance is superior to 3 seperate mediocre stances then why not? It makes no sense. Sonya is awesome because of TKD. Kenpo and Kali Sticks suck ass.

"But these are just MY opinions and abilities. My tier is going to be alot different from anyone elses because my tastes and strategic style is different from someone elses."

Bleh. Why do I feel like I have heard this all before?

"We are all unique and many forget these things when they begin arguing over "who rules the tournament and who sucks the fat monkey". Everyone is differnent so just play the game and figure out for yourselves whose styles suit you the best."

No just no. If we did that everyone would be best suited with Scorpion or Bo Rai Cho. Lets get serious. If you play ANYONE else but those 2 then you are doing it because the character is fun to play or the character is just your favorite(like me with Sub-Zero). Sub-Zero is by far my best character, but he sucks and I will never beat someone using Bo Rai Cho who is of equal skill with me.

Why not just let this thing die? MKDA is over. MKD is on it's way and I hope now that it's online people will see.
Versatile Wrote:

rayrokka Wrote:

jdogg5543 Wrote:
dude shang tsung, is the best damn character and kung lao is the second best and he aont on your list wats wrong with u.

shang has the easiest 30 hit combo by just smashin box, box, box, and other stiff, and his sowrd combo is badass, he is fastest character in the damn game , but with scorpion,i know how to do an 83 hit combo with scorp in training mode.

stop with the foolishness

You are making yourself look bad

please stop

or keep doing it, either way it's funny.

hahahhahaha

Vers, I dont know how you do it man. Its a never ending battle with these guys.

I dont know man. I'm just fighting the power. I sure hope this guy doesn't reply and makes a fool of himself.

Versatile out of curiousity how often do you play MKDA in 2 player mode?

Rarely anymore. When I am gaming it's normally Bloody Roar or SSX3. But about once or twice a week. My brother is decent now because of me so it's all good.

Although DA has not been in the picture anymore since the rumors about MKD began floating about, I'd still like to present a possible PAL tier list. As most experienced PAL players know, there are some substantial differences between PAL (Bo' and Frost have no infinite, for instance) and NTSC, but it should be noted that if you play 60Hz on PAL, some things (like Bo's infinite) become possible again.

Anyhow, here it is. You'll find only minimal changes, really, but it might help, you never know. Remember that this is for the PAL zone.

Top Tier:
1.Scorpion
2.Reptile
3.Drahmin
4.Bo' Rai Cho*
5.Sonya

Mid Tier:
6.Mavado
7.Hsu Hao
8.Shang Tsung
9.Jax
10.Quan Chi
11.Kenshi
12.Kung Lao
13.Raiden
14.Mokap
15.Sub-Zero
17.Johnny Cage
18.Kano
19.Frost

Low Tier:
20.Blaze
21.Nitara
22.Kitana
23.Li Mei
24.Cyrax

* moves to 2nd again on 60Hz

This may sound odd, but I consider Cyrax the best in the game. He was the first character I was able to beat the game with.

ice_breaker Wrote: This may sound odd, but I consider Cyrax the best in the game. He was the first character I was able to beat the game with.

I find Sonya much more of a challenge to handle than Cyrax. Can't wait to see what Version 2.0 looks like.

yeah you can beat cyrax with scorpion/kenshi if you switch to weapon and keep hitting Z for the dodge slash thingy