Worried that the story will suck
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posted03/19/2015 04:27 PM (UTC)by
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InfestedArtanis
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Given that the story mode covers 25 years, I'm really worried that the story might be rushed like MK9 given that it has the same length as the last game.

Dragon Age II covered 10 years and that game blew so hard that the fans blacklashed what the developers intended to do with the character.

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03/18/2015 10:44 AM (UTC)
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I have some doubts too.First of all everyting seems so comlicated and tangled if we have a look at the story trailer and the timeline of the events don't show us an obvious chance to pressume something clear ! for instance , will we see the revenants early in the game and the heroes will save them yet in this occasion How Cassie and Kung jin can fight with Kitana and Sindel after years again ?furious
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03/18/2015 11:25 AM (UTC)
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The story sucked the moment they brought the dead back, shitting on the story and making this story sucking by default, as now death means nothing....Nothing will have any meaning....any impact...nothing....

I was expecting a very grim, drab setting for this game, all the heroes dead....The survivors stacked with impossible odds....But no....Bring back the same tired rehashed old shit to cater to the fuckwads stuck in the 90s.....GG nrs....GG
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03/18/2015 11:35 AM (UTC)
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CISIS Wrote:
The story sucked the moment they brought the dead back, shitting on the story and making this story sucking by default, as now death means nothing....Nothing will have any meaning....any impact...nothing....



I'm still hoping this isn't the case but it was definitely a big blow to the quality of the story, when nothing is really at stake, there are few things worth of any interest or emotional investment.
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Onaga
03/18/2015 11:48 AM (UTC)
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Why worry? Just know that it will and shrug. Don't forget they don't have writers writing it. They are leaving it up to the graphics guy.
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03/18/2015 11:49 AM (UTC)
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How is it not the case, that cheap piece of shit kung lao is on the main roster, so is kitana....Along with the token black guy and his pointless drab daughter, who also has the same robotic arm gimmick, is USA still suffering such liberal white guilt you feel you MUST add worthless black characters in games that have nothing going for them just to show #blacklivesmatter solidarity to avoid another Ferguson or what? :/

I mean...Why not make forrest fox the new black guy...his short appearance was far more interesting than jax has ever been...The roster and story is nothing short of disappointing.
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03/18/2015 12:18 PM (UTC)
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So should the story be like Game of Thrones where the characters that we love just DIE off one by one, never to return EVER? :'(

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03/18/2015 12:20 PM (UTC)
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CISIS Wrote:
The story sucked the moment they brought the dead back, shitting on the story and making this story sucking by default, as now death means nothing....Nothing will have any meaning....any impact...nothing....

I was expecting a very grim, drab setting for this game, all the heroes dead....The survivors stacked with impossible odds....But no....Bring back the same tired rehashed old shit to cater to the fuckwads stuck in the 90s.....GG nrs....GG


This is why I did not like them bringing back the dead. People say but it's mk well mk is trying to make story big and they need to fix some things
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03/18/2015 12:30 PM (UTC)
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What about waiting for the actual game to be released before making clueless assumptions?

MK 9 story mode was great, even with its flaws. I don't see why MKX couln't be the same.
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03/18/2015 12:50 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
What about waiting for the actual game to be released before making clueless assumptions?

MK 9 story mode was great, even with its flaws. I don't see why MKX couln't be the same.



How will they make us feel sad if no one can die. I imagine it will just be a action movie
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03/18/2015 12:53 PM (UTC)
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If death is the only thing you rely on for tension, then you have no idea how to build a narrative. If the people who died in MK9 didn't come back, then we wouldn't fight them during the Netherrealm War. If they weren't around for the Nertherealm War, then there wouldn't be a point to the church massacre or Quan Chi getting their souls. Honestly, just saying they're dead is a massive plot hole and a huge waste.

As far as the story sucking, there's a chance, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it. MK9 did suffer from condensing a lot of information, however it was a reboot of 3 games. It was still far from The Last Airbender level of fast forwarding, though. In MKX, NRS are writing from scratch and can set the pace themselves instead of forcing their way to plot points. It seeming to be more complicated isn't a bad thing given how straightforward the main plot of the other games went.

As a whole, MK is a fighting game, and fighting games rely on their characters. The story is built around them. I haven't seen any characters in MKX that could cause it to suck. Jacqui would be the least interesting, but the only things we know about her so far is she's Jax's daughter and a kickboxer.
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03/18/2015 01:00 PM (UTC)
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Killamore Wrote:
If death is the only thing you rely on for tension, then you have no idea how to build a narrative. If the people who died in MK9 didn't come back, then we wouldn't fight them during the Netherrealm War. If they weren't around for the Nertherealm War, then there wouldn't be a point to the church massacre or Quan Chi getting their souls. Honestly, just saying they're dead is a massive plot hole and a huge waste.

As far as the story sucking, there's a chance, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it. MK9 did suffer from condensing a lot of information, however it was a reboot of 3 games. It was still far from The Last Airbender level of fast forwarding, though. In MKX, NRS are writing from scratch and can set the pace themselves instead of forcing their way to plot points. It seeming to be more complicated isn't a bad thing given how straightforward the main plot of the other games went.

As a whole, MK is a fighting game, and fighting games rely on their characters. The story is built around them. I haven't seen any characters in MKX that could cause it to suck. Jacqui would be the least interesting, but the only things we know about her so far is she's Jax's daughter and a kickboxer.


I'm saying from a personal perspective. Death would be the only thing to get to me other wise it will be moving from point a to point b. What's there to fear? Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk. Knowing this on top of people not being able to die I don't see any reason why I should have feeling towards this game. The only way I would be like oh that's messed up is if sonya gets punched and loses her unborn baby but that's not going to happen.
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03/18/2015 01:12 PM (UTC)
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The story doesnt go over 25 years

It starts after mk9 for the netherrealm war.

Then skips to 25 years after mk9, where the srest of the story is.

The comic is what the 25 span story is for.
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03/18/2015 01:17 PM (UTC)
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Some of you clearly have never played a Mortal Kombat game before. They're fighting a war in the Netherrealm for fucks sake.
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03/18/2015 01:21 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon
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03/18/2015 01:27 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.


No they don't. Most of the heroes died in Deadly Alliance and Shao Kahn won Armageddon. The heroes win most of the time, but not everytime.

Honestly, I'm not that mad the dead came back. Now they have to live with whatever atrocities they commited for Quan Chi. Adds some drama to their story.
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03/18/2015 01:29 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon


And what happened exactly after. The person who died came back. Those people died. Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won. Mythologies is not a fighting game. The deadly alliance lost to onaga. And for 3 I remember them taking over but I'm pretty sure they still lose. Also to the comment above death means nothing.
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03/18/2015 01:42 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
The person who died came back.

As a horrible undead abomination that serves as a grim reminder of just how mad Raiden went?

Yes, I suppose he did.

Windice Wrote:
The deadly alliance lost to onaga.

That's right. And because of it, things got a hell of a lot worse before they got any better.

Windice Wrote:
Mythologies is not a fighting game.

You didn't specify.

Besides, I'd argue it's more important to the overall story than some of the actual fighting games.

Windice Wrote:
Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won.

Well, yeah, they ultimately prevail, but certainly not at first and at a great cost to themselves. Back in his days, Vogel seemed to really like dragging the heroes through the shit before finally letting them succeed.

Point is, saying "good guys in MK win errytime lol!1!" is disingenuous at best.
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03/18/2015 01:47 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
Killamore Wrote:
If death is the only thing you rely on for tension, then you have no idea how to build a narrative. If the people who died in MK9 didn't come back, then we wouldn't fight them during the Netherrealm War. If they weren't around for the Nertherealm War, then there wouldn't be a point to the church massacre or Quan Chi getting their souls. Honestly, just saying they're dead is a massive plot hole and a huge waste.

As far as the story sucking, there's a chance, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it. MK9 did suffer from condensing a lot of information, however it was a reboot of 3 games. It was still far from The Last Airbender level of fast forwarding, though. In MKX, NRS are writing from scratch and can set the pace themselves instead of forcing their way to plot points. It seeming to be more complicated isn't a bad thing given how straightforward the main plot of the other games went.

As a whole, MK is a fighting game, and fighting games rely on their characters. The story is built around them. I haven't seen any characters in MKX that could cause it to suck. Jacqui would be the least interesting, but the only things we know about her so far is she's Jax's daughter and a kickboxer.


I'm saying from a personal perspective. Death would be the only thing to get to me other wise it will be moving from point a to point b. What's there to fear? Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk. Knowing this on top of people not being able to die I don't see any reason why I should have feeling towards this game. The only way I would be like oh that's messed up is if sonya gets punched and loses her unborn baby but that's not going to happen.


But since the afterlife is literally a setting in the MK world, death will almost always be the moving to point a to point b. It's all a never ending journey until the last MK ever made, in theory anyway. There are always exceptions.

The reason to feel towards the game is what the entire game is about; the characters. Each character is fighting in a death tournament, so all of them have something more valuable to them besides their life. Freedom, love, glory, etc. The journey these characters go on and their motivations are what you are meant to get connected to.

Compare Jax's permanent death to Jax getting dishonorably discharged and going on knowing what he has worked for his entire life has been striped away from him.

Johnny Cage dying fighting for his realm, or Johnny getting horribly maimed causing him to become depressed and lose his signature smile and wit.

Sub-Zero getting killed by Quan Chi vs Sub-Zero finding his entire clan slaughtered by his own brother who has been turned into a demonic puppet reminiscent of what caused his brother's death in the first place.
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03/18/2015 01:48 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
The person who died came back.

As a horrible undead abomination that serves as a grim reminder of just how mad Raiden went?

Yes, I suppose he did.

Windice Wrote:
The deadly alliance lost to onaga.

That's right. And because of it, things got a hell of a lot worse before they got any better.

Windice Wrote:
Mythologies is not a fighting game.

You didn't specify.

Besides, I'd argue it's more important to the overall story than some of the actual fighting games.

Windice Wrote:
Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won.

Well, yeah, they ultimately prevail, but certainly not at first and at a great cost to themselves. Back in his days, Vogel seemed to really like dragging the heroes through the shit before finally letting them succeed.

Point is, saying "good guys in MK win errytime lol!1!" is disingenuous at best.
They still won in the end.......... To the comment above Johnny is being sinful so why should I care? Jax is good friends with sonya if he wanted to I'm sure he could go back to work. The last one includes death. Another thing is they are trying to save the world. This is not persona. The characters do not have good enough personalities for it to be.
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03/18/2015 01:52 PM (UTC)
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CISIS Wrote:
The story sucked the moment they brought the dead back, shitting on the story and making this story sucking by default, as now death means nothing....Nothing will have any meaning....any impact...nothing....

I was expecting a very grim, drab setting for this game, all the heroes dead....The survivors stacked with impossible odds....But no....Bring back the same tired rehashed old shit to cater to the fuckwads stuck in the 90s.....GG nrs....GG



This. So true!

God, like I've written this myself!
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03/18/2015 01:52 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon


And what happened exactly after. The person who died came back. Those people died. Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won. Mythologies is not a fighting game. The deadly alliance lost to onaga. And for 3 I remember them taking over but I'm pretty sure they still lose. Also to the comment above death means nothing.

Death was never the end of a characters arc in MK. Never has been, never will be. The concept of the Netherrealm itself renders death moot in this universe.
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03/18/2015 01:54 PM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon


And what happened exactly after. The person who died came back. Those people died. Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won. Mythologies is not a fighting game. The deadly alliance lost to onaga. And for 3 I remember them taking over but I'm pretty sure they still lose. Also to the comment above death means nothing.

Death was never the end of a characters arc in MK. Never has been, never will be. The concept of the Netherrealm itself renders death moot in this universe.
That's what I'm saying. The mk story has never been great. Another plot hole is raiden power to heal people. He just healed takeda.
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03/18/2015 02:04 PM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon


And what happened exactly after. The person who died came back. Those people died. Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won. Mythologies is not a fighting game. The deadly alliance lost to onaga. And for 3 I remember them taking over but I'm pretty sure they still lose. Also to the comment above death means nothing.

Death was never the end of a characters arc in MK. Never has been, never will be. The concept of the Netherrealm itself renders death moot in this universe.
That's what I'm saying. The mk story has never been great. Another plot hole is raiden power to heal people. He just healed takeda.


Not quite, youre claiming death has no bearing on the story which is not true. Its not a plothole if these elements are explained. Which they have been.


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03/18/2015 02:08 PM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
Please tell me because if I remember correctly the good guys always win in mk.

Mythologies
>Quan Chi gets his hands on the single most powerful artifact in the MK universe, and gets his own personal undead killing machine in the process
>Bi-Han's quest to steal the Amulet back ultimately results in nothing

MK3
>The bad guys don't just attempt to take over the world, they actually succeed this time

MKDA
>Earthrealm's Champion is ambushed and killed
>The Deadly Alliance wins. Every Earthrealm warrior, except for Raiden, Sub-Zero and Frost, dies in battle

Armageddon
>It's called fucking Armageddon


And what happened exactly after. The person who died came back. Those people died. Also raiden changed everything and the good guys won. Mythologies is not a fighting game. The deadly alliance lost to onaga. And for 3 I remember them taking over but I'm pretty sure they still lose. Also to the comment above death means nothing.

Death was never the end of a characters arc in MK. Never has been, never will be. The concept of the Netherrealm itself renders death moot in this universe.
That's what I'm saying. The mk story has never been great. Another plot hole is raiden power to heal people. He just healed takeda.


Not quite, youre claiming death has no bearing on the story which is not true. Its not a plothole if these elements are explained. Which they have been.




It's been explained why raiden can not heal everyone????? Also what does death do because from the way i am looking at it its giving people a second chance to save someone. It may change the story but we all know better.
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