See here's the thing and I think MK 2011 helped with this misconception that Bi-Han was evil in life and is still himself as Noob Saibot.

Noob Saibot isn't meant to be Bi-Han. It's the corruption within his soul from a life of killing personified and given control. They even pretty much told us that Bi-Han was captive inside his own body in Armageddon.

And in them just saying "Yeah Bi Han can just come back as normal Bi-Han now free of being Noob Saibot" Then well that sucks too because then they are potentially eviscerating Noob Saibot who has grown into a pretty awesome character.

And at the same time it cheapens him and the situation too due to us being led to believe that by him being turned into Noob Saibot, it also changed his very nature which couldn't just easily be cured via duesex-MK-resurrection.

Unless they intend to go all Siegfried and Nightmare on us.

My thinking is if they revive Bi-Han, they have to have a new person fill the noob saibot role. which i believe is possible since the saibot portion of him was the demonish part, and could go to some other dead soul to revive the "character"(correct me if wrong)

Would it not be weird to see Noob-saibot as someone "else" and why would bi han being the "sub-zero" over Kuai Liang make more sense? I honestly dont get some peoples reasoning

People are just lazy. The reason Kuai fans want him back is because his story wasn't finished as Sub-Zero. Bi-Han's was. Armageddon pretty much fucked everybodies stories up. Honestly Noob Saibot's story wasn't finished either. They have hinted him becoming ruler of the netherrealm so many times and that is a story which needs to be told as well.

It's not that we are wanting a "repeat". We are wanting the rest of the story because their stories weren't complete. Although I do agree with Viser as well.. MK9 was a chance to fix characters which needed more development. Kuai Liang does not fall under that category.

Also, with all the "Sub-Zero is a title" stuff, people are starting to believe that any codename is a title that could be filled by anyone.

I highly doubt there is such a thing as a "different" Noob Saibot, Noob Saibot was the dead Bi-Han embracing his darkness, it's not like anyone could become "a" Noob Saibot by doing the same. This isn't like a Cryomancer changing his codename from Tundra to Sub-Zero to honor his deceased brother.

I don't see anyone trying to discuss that someone that becomes a wraith has potential to take over the Scorpion mantle, basically because it doesn't work that way. With Noob I think it's the same.

But what about the fact that Saibot is supposedly a separate force attached to Noob?

Gah, you do know that was Ed just thinking he was being clever and making a joke right? They were just nick naming his shadow buddy. That's not an actual thing until the game says so.

It may not be established as fact in the cannon, but there is enough evidence to at least support a theory. It has not been stated one way or another.

First, MKA ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_I9j0_rKw

Second, MKD ending:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNw0ssPPHA

"...His soul had been tainted when he died at the hands of Scorpion"


That can easily be interpreted as it got tainted at that moment, but wasn't before.


Third: MKA Konquest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfkQrAjdK2E

"He was corrupted long ago, but now I have a chance to save him" (5:50)

It also implies the corruption came from outside, and that it can be removed.


Fourth: MKD Konquest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEw2s5RYdwM

Around minute 8

You fight Noob Saibot probably before Bi-Han was born.

I know MKD Konquest is to be taken with a grain of salt, but this is not a side mission, it's a story requirement, so that improves my regards for it a little. Also is to be noted that unlike the 1000 Seidan guards you fight that look like Hotaru but have no name, in this encounter it can be seen his name is Noob.


By themselves, none of this things is enough to hold a theory on it's own, but together they are. It's just a theory, not a fact, but as it hasn't been stated one way or another, it's not a theory that can be immediately dismissed. Specially when we don't know why Scorpion came back as a spectre and Bi-Han as a wraith, how did Quan Chi revive them, and what is the difference.

Again, not claiming this as fact, but there is enough to think Noob Saibot might be a different entity.


Edit: Oh, I forgot to say, I don't think that what Ed said means anything as well. He was just being funny.

LOL.

Noob Saibot is NOT the same as Scorpion. They are only revanants and that is it.

Hanzo can some extent control the vengeance inside of him. This is alluded by Kenshi in the comic. Also in MK9 when the vengeane inside Hanzo takes over, his voice has a big distortion. In the comic when the vengeance and anger take over, Scorpion's eyes have no colour except white and he speaks in a black speech bubble.

Noob Saibot is the evil in Bi-Han's soul fully taken control of Bi-Han. The evil that Raiden warned him about. He is no longer Bi-Han anymore. Bi-Han is trapped inside. This is alluded to many times even obviously:

I) Noob Saibot tries to kill Kuai Liang twice. This is beyond insane. Why would Bi-Han want to kill his own brother willingly? LOL. Answer: Bi-Han would not.

II) Noob Saibot in MK9 tells Kuai Liang that he has been "perfected". This is obviously the evil in his soul taken full control with no humanity left at all. In fact Noob Saibot does not recognise Kuai Liang as a brother.

III) In the Armageddon ending Bi-Han is freed as Sub-Zero. Noob Saibot and Sub-Zero(the real one, Bi-Han) have a fight.

IV) Bi-Han spared Sareena. Who thinks a sociopath like Noob Saibot that would kill his own brother, would spare Sareena?

Noob Saibot is Bi-Han only in name and that is it. Noob Saibot is not Bi-Han at all. He is the evil that Bi-Han built up that has finally taken control.

A massive bonner? It still counts as being selfish (see Community, the season one episode with the debate about good/evil) :P

Nah, that wasn't serious.

What I meant comparing it to Scorpion is that, as you said, this is something that was inside Bi-Han, because he built up that dark side before it took control over him. The same way Scorpion's "vengeance" takes control over him (even if Hanzo, thanks to Kenshi, now can control that part and is more like a wraith version of Bruce Banner/Hulk now) means that someone can't die with vengeance desires and become "another" Scorpion, Bi-Han built "his own" darkness that ended up taking control over him, so I don't think anyone could do the same to become "another" Noob Saibot, they could end up being wraiths but not "Noob Saibot" as that the name of what Bi-Han had inside of him because of his own actions.

That's why I used Scorpion as a reference.

UPDATE(2/10): This was released while ago but figured i'd ad it to this. seems we have a Kuai Liang sighting

Now this confirms at least the Kuai costume is in game(im stoked), question is if MKX's sub-Zero is both like in mk9, or just kuai. My guess is both based on the above. But being both was cool in mk9, not so much in MKX.

they are 2 seperate people, let them have their own characters if they are both now alive again, unless you think one variation is one and another is the other.

Holy shit! I called it! I knew that costume would pop up in game! Fuckin' sick!