I'm scared Kuai Lang will end up being the boss. I mean in the comic he is powerful enough to freeze entire cities. He is possessed. By what we dont exactly know. It's the Kamidogu but what's the driving force behind it?

What if the Sub-Zero we are looking at right now is actually an alternate costume and not the default outfit? And let's say that his alternate outfit is in fact Bi-Han, who's to say that the other costume can't be Kuai Liang.

It would make perfect sense, since there are different variations to each character now, what if we have the option to choose which identity of Sub-Zero we wish to play as based upon the outfit we select. In the MK9 story mode we played as both brothers who had the same move set, I don't see the big difference in the two.

I feel this approach would keep the fans of Sub-Zero happy.

Of course they won't pull the same stuff again. There were other twists in the MK9 story-mode other than the Sub-Zero/Smoke thing.

Just saying that this Subby will be Bi-Han and Kuai Liang might be Noob, come in under a different name (Tundra, Blizzard or Hydro), or might not even be in.

Reptile has no alignment with the Lin Kuei, so there is no reason why he should be turned into a cyborg. Shao Kahn is a grapefruit in a whole, no need to make a clone.

Well that freed line could be for both noob, and subby. Noob from being a wraith and, subby from automation

What I would REALLY want, is to Bi-Han to have been separated from Noob Saibot (there are enough things around the whole MK story hinting at the fact they might be different entities), and come back, but not take the Sub-Zero mantle, let him just be Bi-Han. This way we can have a human Bi-Han again, we can have Kuai Liang as Sub-Zero again, and we also get to have Noob Saibot. It's not going to happen, but I would love it if it did.


One thing I don't get is why people think of Bi-Han as such a bad guy. Yeah, he wasn't good, but he wasn't that evil either. He did kill scorpion, but it's not like Kuai Liang has never killed anyone (A pity you could not have cooperated). He did aid Raiden, he did spare Sareena, he was planing to leave the Lin Kuei. Unlike what someone said, I do think he had a good relationship with his brother, as implied in Sub-Zero's MK4 bio and Sareena's MKDA bio. What Raiden said did have an impact on him, he just didn't have enought time.


Which one is this? At the begining I thought there was a chance for this SZ to be Bi-Han, but everytime it keeps looking more and more as Kuai Liang. I just hope Bi Han is in the game, somehow.

Oh, and Sareena as well :P

we will have both brothers in the game just like mk9 there was a bi han outfit itll be the same this time around, but storyline wise im telling itll be Kuai.

and yes kahn isa grapefruit for sure

I really don't see him being the boss, we really need more of the comic to come out to see more info about sub-Zero's.

i feel when they show sub-Zero taking over the lin kuei, is when we will have a lot more info and will know which brother it is.

Yes.



Seems like they have intentionally kept things ambiguous as far as just exactly who this Sub-Zero is. I like having a bit of mystery surrounding the character again.


I shall continue to hold out hope that Bi-Han is resurrected as Sub-Zero, frees his brother from Quan Chi's grasp and then takes the clan back from Sektor becoming the Grandmaster. Kuai Liang will hopefully be resurrected as a human again, use his unmasked costume or the one we saw in the comics with the mask but no hood/cowl and go back to using the codename Tundra. After losing the clan, Sektor should start up the Tekunin in this timeline, and Tundra(Kuai Liang) should be the one charged with hunting him.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see an entirely new character become the new Noob Saibot. I am thinking Forrest Fox.

That is what I'd like to see happen ideally.

Which means none of this shit will ever happen. It will probably be Kuai Liang back as Sub, and at some point the Bi-Han Noob will pop back up again, still as evil as ever.

I would be cool with what they did in MK9, have Bi-Han be the primary costume and Liang can be the alt or vise-versa. That way everybody gets the Sub-Zero they like.

You know what, the last time there was a dumb theory going around about Sub-Zero that most of us hated and tried our best to shoot down every time it came up, it ended up being true.

So you know what, I give up. As far as I'm concerned for now. Yeah it's Bi-Han. NRS once again hasn't flinched to fuck up Sub-Zero and have now taken Noob Saibot down with him.

Yeah become something fresh is fucking up the character, let's have the same old same old. Bi-Han is perpetually evil, Kuai Liang is the 'good brother' and Grandmaster, blah blah blah.

I'd like to see them move away from that good brother/evil brother cliche personally.

Read what I typed a couple posts up. THAT is what should happen.

Again that may be what you WANT to happen, not everyone, people that like Kuai liang as sub-zero have every right too, he has been sub-zero most of mk's life. It's like a kick in the stomach to lose noob saibot being bi han and Kuai liang being Sub-zero.

And you must be dreaming if you actually think they'll just make Him Tundra, but with all of the look and move of Sub-Zero it's not going to happen. I wont argue anymore, because it's pointless. there is no feaseable reason to have Bihan as Sub. Wait till the game is out thats all i will say.

Yup, it is just as I suspected. You simply want Kuai Liang to stay as Sub-Zero and Bi-Han to stay as Noob because that is how it has been, and you will probably feel like the characters are being disrespected or downgraded if those roles are changed in the new timeline.

So what do you want? Kuai to come back as Sub-Zero, Bi-Han to come back as Noob and for us to repeat the same shit from the old timeline? Kuai Liang becoming Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei and all? Look, I get that this was a beloved storyline in 4/DA/Deception and I enjoyed it, too. But we've seen it already.

Let's do something new with the Sub-Zeros in this new timeline.

With the scenario I was talking about, you still get both brothers as ice ninjas and a Noob Saibot. Having both Bi-Han as Sub-Zero and Kuai Liang as Tundra wouldn't necessarily be redundant or stupid like you are implying it would be. We can have more than one person using ice-based powers in these games, and still make both characters play different from one another. And you can visually distinguish them from each other as well, fairly easily, by having one with the full mask/hood look(Bi-Han) and having Kuai Liang go back to a MK3/MKDA primary type look.

And by having a totally new person become Noob Saibot, that is a chance to give that character an awesome new design. We already have the foundation laid for that to happen, too, because we know that Saibot is actually it's own entity. It can attach to someone else aside from Bi-Han.

It's like you have zero imagination.

Kuai Liang fans are starting to annoy me. It's like they all want the old timeline's Sub-Zero storyline back with NO changes just because they liked it. You can respect ALL three characters, Bi-Han, Kuai Liang AND Noob Saibot but do something completely fresh with them. Kuai fans act like anything but the same old same old is destroying their beloved character or ruining Sub-Zero in general.

Kuai Liang is actually my second favorite character (after johnny of course) and i still think and kinda want MKX's Sub-Zero to be Bi-Han, even though I liked noob.

If MKX's Sub is Kuai Liang though ( which it prolbably is like i stated in the first post) i just hope he has an unhooded(and possible unmasked) outfit he is wearing in the comic.

bBi-Han minus Saibot isn't pure evil though so i can still see him saying the heart thing to Ermac, as in Mythologies he was sad to hear his soul was tainted.

I like/liked Kuai Liang and Bi-Han as Subbie and Noob because in my personal opinion they were perfect as is and received very good character development

Which of course is more than could be said for Boony's personal fave Scorpion, which thankfully MKX already appears to be in the process of rectifying, which I am all for as he is a fave of mine, too.

Yes that is what i personally would want, but that's me. I want kuai to become grandmaster again, and i want to see what adventures await from there. It doesn't matter what i want though, they will do whatever they want. To me the character means more then the casual fan. If you go to the thread titled "memories" which if i recall correctly you made, you might see as to why i feel the way i do. I am just waiting for april 15 now hoping to see my character do it again.

Well, you are entitled to feel that way I guess. It's a lot less interesting to me. I'd rather see the brothers both leading the clan, and a totally new Noob.

Completely agree

I could be down with them both leading the clan, but id kinda want noob to remain as bi han, just redeemed. It would be a shame to lose such a good character, and slap it onto some new comer, let the new comer be his own person. And as long as Kuai can remain Sub-Zero id be ok with it all. I just hope the story will be good in mkx, i wasn't a fan at all of mk9 mess of a story.

Honestly? Considering that Kuai Liang had the most developed story on the original timeline, yes, I want him to keep that same story and let them focus on evolving the rest of the cast.

MK9 freezerbot was a "let's do this just for shock value rather than making a good story" because it was just that, shock value for the sake of shock value.

Btw, I just remembered that MKX move list for Sub-Zero includes references to Tundra on the combo names.

And this isn't about "evil brother/good brother", it's about both having their own characters and Bi-Han following Kuai Liang's story from the original timeline would be doing the exact same thing but with someone whose character should be retconned a huge lot, which means ripping the stablished fluff just to get the exact same story but with a different character (basically the freezer 2.0).

It's not the same story because this time the brothers would be leading the clan together.

I don't see them leading it together, if they both are alive.

But remember this thread isn't about what we want to happen, its about speculation on what we've seen and heard so far.

I hope we have both of the old Sub-Zeros and maybe a third that would be amazing. One of them may become the next Noob-Saibot.