If both brothers are resurrected I think it would be kinda cool for Bi-Han to be Sub-Zero again, and for Kuai Liang to go back to using his old handle, Tundra. I know I'll probably catch some hate for suggesting such a thing but I think it would be fresh. Could the brothers ever unite together under the clan?

I actually think your idea is pretty cool and safe. Let's assume for a minute that the sub-zero in MKX is Bi-Han which I personally think he is, either that or he is a whole new sub-zero I honestly don't think it's Kuai Liang. But if it is Kuai Liang THEN GIVE ME HUMAN SEKTOR!!

Anyway... If Bi-Han is the sub-zero in MKX then people will get a chance to see the personally of Bi-Han more. Bi-Han is already liked by a lot of MK Fans and I think if he gets a chance at being sub-zero again he would gain even more fans.

But if he doesn't and people don't like him then they could go back to Kuai Liang. That's why I said your Idea of both of them being resurrected is a very good and safe one.

It's generally been implied that Bi-Han just was not a good guy, even in life, which is why he became so evil as a wraith. I think it would be interesting if him being thrown into the Soulnado instead of Scorpion somehow purifies him, and gives him a chance at redemption. I know there was a thread on here not too far back suggesting that he become the champion of the Elder Gods instead of Scorpion, and I think that could be a great storyline myself.

I just wonder where that leaves Kuai Liang. Perhaps the direction to take him would be to have him be the one to lead the clan in pursuing Sektor and the Tekunin? It would make sense after how he was forced to undergo automation in MK9 considering Sektor was all in favor of it.

The problem that I have with this Sub-Zero being Bi Han is what in the world will happen to Noob? I think it would be really dumb of them to have him be something else rather than Bi Han as this twisted shadow fighter. Or if "Saibot" possesses Noob since it's been stated that the shadow of Noob is called "Saibot."

The last we saw of him, he was hurled into the Soulnado by Nightwolf, and that was it. We didn't see any aftermath. And I doubt the Heavens will have anything to do with him.

I really just don't see this Sub-Zero be Bi Han. I'd be okay with it be Kuai Liang if they have some interesting reason to make him human again.... and that it doesn't happen off screen because that would dumb as well.

I gotta disagree. I love the idea of the Elder Gods redeeming someone so seemingly unlikely for redemption.

As for Noob Saibot, I'm not too sure about that part I admit. Could you explain this thing about Saibot being somehow separate from Noob? And does Noob in this scenario refer to Bi-Han as the wraith? If so, what the heck is Saibot?

I've heard passing reference to this before but I have no clue what it is about. An oversight in my knowledge of the lore?

I've heard it once and I'm taking it with a grain of salt with it a little bit. I got it off of a "Did You Know Gaming" video where the narrator states that Boon has stated that with Noob Saibot, one is named Noob the other is Saibot. Where Noob/Bi Han is the wrath, Saibot is just the shadow.

I don't think I've ever seen or heard Boon stating this before, however, a lot of the stuff from these videos aren't fibs so like I said, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

You, nor anyone else could take this seriously since I don't know how much of it is actually true.

I was in complete agreement with that thread and that theory.

Bi-Han's storyline was always pretty good and I think it was always explained in a good way especially why he has that stain of evil in his soul.

Mortal Kombat Sub-zero Mythologies did an awesome job and gave us time to know Bi-Han.

He was always a ruthless and powerful ninja and I think he is a better enemy to Scorpion than Kuai Liang ever was.

I also agree with you when you say that his story this time around should be about redemption, After he is purified it would make sense that he will make up for his mistakes and it would also make sense that he will go after the one who created that rivalry between him and Scorpion.

As for Kuai Liang, It would make even more sense for him to be an enemy with Sektor rather than Scorpion. Which is why I agree with you even more when you say that he should be the one pursing Sektor and possibly the Tekunin(If Sektor even forms them again).

I think if it is Bi-Han he won't be a good guy and will make the Lin Kuei bad guys. and I believe Noob Saibot will live on but as another unfortunate soul.

DO NOT WANT BI-HAN.

Sorry, that's the only option for Sub-Zero I don't want happening. I would take a new one or Kuai Liang, but I feel an entirely different person taking on the persona of Sub-Zero (kuai liang) and then most of the characters getting to know him as that persona then having the other guy come back and be Sub-Zero is just confusing as hell. (Practically all of the heroes know Kuai Liang as Sub-Zero now, not as Tundra)

Then on top of that Noob Saibot was nothing without Bi-han and will be nothing again if they take Bi-han away. The instant they made that reveal Noob Saibot's stock went up like a 1000%. Then on top of that the foreshadowing in the original timeline (Raiden telling him he will suffer a fate worse than death in mythologies), and the fact that Bi-han was actually pretty much evil makes me not want to see him again.

On top of that, the whole Sub-Zero taking down the cyborgs story IS DEFINITELY going to be explored again, and we know that now. So, let me ask you guys what sounds better. A man who was turned into a cyborg returns from death to take back over the very clan who turned him into an abomination, or Man's brother comes back to take over a clan who really didn't do anything personal to him at all. I mean you can say it's revenge for his brother, but the only knowledge we have of Bi-han and Kuai Liang's relationship is that Bi-han really wasn't that fond of Kuai Liang. NRS have left hints here and there that Bi-han really is a dick, but nobody seems to grasp that.

Also, @Icebaby that info you had was from a tweet. Boon replied to a fan saying "There's Noob and there's Saibot" and fans twisted that into Boon saying Noob is Bi-han and Saibot is the wraith. That's just false info though.

On top of that, Kuai Liang would sink into obscurity if he wasn't Sub-Zero. He is only known as Sub-Zero. Bi-han has solidified himself as another REALLY popular character all together. He can live without the Sub-Zero monacre. Kuai Liang can't.

Let's also discuss the scar. NRS are not going to leave a gigantic ass red mark on Sub-Zero's face anymore. Scar's sometimes are not obvious. I have a friend who has a scar on his eyebrow and in real life that shit is barely noticeable now. If anything I feel like the scene with Kano was more or less NRS saying here's a hint to who this is guys, if the unmasked MK3 outfit wasn't enough.

Still unsure who our Sub-Zero is in this game. I would love to see Bi-Han as SZ again, but I also don't want Noob to no longer exist.

That is why I like the idea of Noob being the evil within Bi-Han but being in control/dominate after he was resurrected in the Netherrealm. Then the Soulnado could strip that evil from Bi-Han and it could manifest into its own being, that way we get Bi-Han as SZ, but we could still get Noob as well lol

Exactly what i think will happen,

and for Kuia liang going as Tundra I would like that too, but I feel he just wont be in the game at all. Once MK11 hits they'll need Sub-Zero again and unless they always make Bi-Han it from now on, i dont see Kuia going as Tundra.

This isn't about what you want to happen, its about the evidence.

and Bi-Han would take down the Lin kuei to take it for himself as a power hungry lethal force, not as vengeance. like i just said above I think they both will be called Sub-Zero, and Kuai won't be in the game. and yes scars fade, but they don't disappear. Kuia in MK: DA still had his faded scar.

I think Noob became popular because he finally had a real backstory once he was revealed he was Bi-Han, now i think we'll get a new Noob from a new Soul, could be some interesting things.

I'd rather noob be noob and not sub zero. If he's a dick anyway he needs that laugh. Noob was my favorite character design from mk9.

My shekels say that Forest Fox is going to be noob. Deal with it Kuai Liang Softspots.

I'd rather play Hide & seek with a bloodhound while having an open wound than to have Kuai as Sub again. He's better off a freezer. Do not need Shithead Sareena in the equation whatsoever!!

Why do you hate Sareena so much? lol

Forest Fox as the new Noob? Hmmm...maybe.

@Cage's Shades

Umm, scars may not disappear, but in a game they can definitely not be very evident. Especially when most of his face is covered. Hair can even grow back over an eyebrow making it not very visible.

Also, you're right it is about evidence.

Only thing is there is DEFINITELY no evidence which points to Bi-han at all. Like none. Nada. Sure, some fans have tried to say that there is, but there really isn't.

However, Grandmaster variation, MK3 costume in comic, Receiving a scar in comic, serving Raiden, yeah those all sound like traits of Kuai Liang. Also the fact that this Sub-Zero has spoken the line of "I am not my brother" which has usually been associated with Kuai as he was always the one who had to differentiate himself from his brother.

The only "evidence" in support of Bi-han is a supposed rivalry with Scorpion based off of intros. Here's some good info to keep note of though. Scorpion has created an ENTIRELY new clan at this point. A kamidogu has now caused the death of that clan and surprise surprise this Sub-Zero has been cut with a Kamidogu. How do we know that Scorpion isn't going to somehow try and place those two together to blame Sub-Zero for the death of his new clan?

Except Sareena only knows Bi-Han at this point, so no matter what Sareena could be in.

If that was the case and Kuai was being blamed by Scorpion for killing his new clan members from the comics, why would Kuai need to assert he is not his brother? It would be he himself being blamed for the deaths, not Bi-Han.

This is confusing.

He asserts he is not his brother to Quan Chi. Quan Chi says something which sounds like "your brother was nothing to me" to Sub-Zero and Sub-Zero's reply is "I am not my brother".

He never asserts to Scorpion that he isn't his brother.

What is especially confusing about MKX's default SubZero is his sinister demeanor. Phrases like "I will freeze your soul" and "Shirai Ryu dog" are not indicative of Kuai Liang in the slightest.

I dont know who this default skin of Sub Zero is, but smart money is on someone other than Kuai.

Oh okay, that's right. I just checked and the intro from Scorpion vs. Sub has them basically just talking generic shit about their respective clans.

No wonder I was confused.


So I guess if the Soulnado simply wiped Bi-Han out of existence, it would make sense to talk about him in the past tense, "your brother was nothing to me". Would a resurrected Kuai Liang be pissed off enough at Quan Chi about Bi-Han for Quan Chi to mock him about it? I guess he could be. It was Quan Chi, after all, who got Bi-Han killed by Scorpion in the first place.


Perhaps SZ in this game IS Kuai after all.

Yeah, it's confusing.


Maybe they BOTH come back as Sub-Zero? And in some parts of the story mode, SZ is Kuai Liang while in others it is Bi-Han? Kind of like how both were featured as Subby in MK2011?

Meh. I dunno.

Nope Bi-Han is is Noob. To me anyway :) I'd rather he emerge from the, soulnado maybe more powerful maybe one day, becoming a end boss.

Sub zero sold stay as Kai Liang or be a decedent in this game

I agree with the folks saying bring Bi-Han back as sub.Giving Kuai Liang a different path doesn't automatically dismiss his character or ignore what he once was as long as it's done right.

I feel that the whole Bi-Han is the bad brother and Kuai Liang is the good brother thing is strongly exaggerated. Yes, Kuai is the good brother, but that's because he got the chance to become good. He has been on Earthrealm's side in the games for so long that people forget that he was raised to kill for a living just like his brother was. True, he didn't go out of his way to kill, he spared Reptile, but it doesn't change his profession. He left Jax dying in a foreign realm with only a single comrade that probably had a hard time finding the portal.

"Die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain."

Switch the quote around and it applies perfectly to the brothers. Kuai lived to become a good guy. And before he died Bi-Han was trying to do the same thing. If we take his ending in mk1 into consideration the mk tornament was his last mission, he was going to kill Shang Tsung and retire with the money to try and live a normal life. He was clearly disturbed at finding out about the whole darkness in his soul thing, and the fact that he complied with Raiden and tried to correct the problem shows that he did have some compassion in his heart like his brother did. He just didn't get a chance to exercise it before Scorpion offed him.