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Actually, no, his story wouldn't exactly have plotholes in it if he were to return unless they do something to fuck things up. Regarding your question of where he has been all this time, the same can be asked for Nightwolf, who we last saw in the MK3 timeline and there was no mention of him whatsoever in MK4/MKG and MKDA yet he returns in MKD and has his own story.

Sure, there are 5 male ninja characters in MKD, but that doesn't mean that if Rain were to return that he'd have to be a ninja. Given his backstory and Edenian background, maybe he can become an Edenian Knight as I doubt he's still a ninja assassin for Shao Kahn. When it comes to elementals, well, there's only really Blaze....As for the last bit you put, well, you're just putting some meaningless hint that has no storyline significance.

Hate to see what happens to you when MK7 comes out because from so many people wanting Rain back it looks like hes a sure contendor, especially with this game having the biggest roster.

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"Actually, no, his story wouldn't exactly have plotholes in it if he were to return unless they do something to fuck things up. Regarding your question of where he has been all this time, the same can be asked for Nightwolf, who we last saw in the MK3 timeline and there was no mention of him whatsoever in MK4/MKG and MKDA yet he returns in MKD and has his own story.

Sure, there are 5 male ninja characters in MKD, but that doesn't mean that if Rain were to return that he'd have to be a ninja. Given his backstory and Edenian background, maybe he can become an Edenian Knight as I doubt he's still a ninja assassin for Shao Kahn. When it comes to elementals, well, there's only really Blaze....As for the last bit you put, well, you're just putting some meaningless hint that has no storyline significance. "

Do we really need any more characters like nightwolf? , and yes they would fuck him up knowing the MK tendancy for screwing things up. We also have too many edenian's in the picture so an edenian knight wouldn't serve much of a purpose, also look at how many evil characters have transformed to good. And I think that sub-zero, raiden, and smoke could all be considered elementals imo.

Too many Edenians? What's next, too many Earthrealm heroes?? I mean honestly, one more Edenian couldn't hurt. And besides, Rain is the only male Edenian character we've seen so far in the MK series. I'm not saying he should be all out good or anything, but he shouldn't be on Shao Kahn's side, that's for sure.

When it comes to the amount of evil characters who have changed to good...well, there have been a few like Kitana, Ermac, and Ashrah, but there is a uniqueness to each of their reasons for their changes and for Rain, well, I wouldn't want him to be good quite yet. I think he needs to be in the gray area but sort of in a good alignment, yet not....It's hard to explain.

Too many Edenians is irrelevant due to the fact that there are for females and zero males. You wanna talk about too many, what about earthers, there's about 22 on my count. There is not "too many of this kind of character" because MK is a game of diversity. Rain has every right to make one return alike Ermac, Nightwolf, Sindel, Tanya, Kenshi, Li Mei, as well as many others.

one more Edenian wouldn't help either, unless he was only getting the Edenians to trust him, and backstabs an important character making it able for Khan to take over Edenia.

and there has been enough "bad to good" storys. Im not understanding when you say not good quite yet. Could you tell me what you mean by this

That doesn't sound like him though. That sounds more like Tanya. When I say not quite good yet, well, I'm saying that he shouldn't exactly be on the good guys' side, but he shouldn't be fighting on the evil side either. Rain joined Shao Kahn only because Rain wanted to live. Now, although that sounds like Kano and Tanya, Rain never struck me as the power hungry, constantly backstabbing type.

If he were to become good though, I wouldn't mind that as long as it's done nicely. I think depending on if they continue off from his ending, I think maybe one focus of his story would be that of Kitana.

I do see many different possibilities for Rain and they could have some pretty decent significance, at least to other characters.

Hmm...Earthrealm heroes:
We have Liu Kang and Kung Lao who represent oriental values and eastern type of characters. we have Jax and Sonya who are the opposite, representing western type of characters, with Johnny Cage.

Kenshi is a loner and a fellow vagrant to Sub-Zero: he doesn't really do much with the Earthrealm heroes, and Sub-Zero is a category for himself.

All Edenians are basically the same in comparison, they all have the same goals in this view point. Exception of Tanya. ... the problem is not that there are many Edenians (no, it is, but in a different way) but that there are few relevant evildoers. So fuckin' few evildoers. And thats where the libra flips over (no pun intended, Julian).

If I count the good guys, we have at least 9 core god guys, whereas there were only like 6-8 characters who'm can be said that they are definite evils. problem is, there are alot of other good guys and neutrals what totally un-balance the whole thing in favor of good.

where is the good ol' feeling where every character fought for it's own sel-fish goal?

He can be involved with Kahn (or the boss) as his assassin, as his slave, commander or whatever, but he could/should develop a different storyline with other characters. Its just that I find the whole –I found the truth, now I will kill you- story so predictable, which equals to boring.

Who knows? They could involve him with Ermac (or anyone else, anything can be done with creativity), create a new direction for his character, there is potential. The problem is the team is not doing anything new with this characters, they are all the same story!:

An assassin whos life/family was destroyed by the person he serves with honor or fear, learns the truth and wants revenge. Almost all edenians are the same, with equal goals: Jade, Kitana, Sindel, now Rain?

That’s whay I mean. Doing to him what most people want is (for me at least) too predictable, very boring. Just my opinion though.

I think it would be cool if Rain were to return in Armageddon.
Its quite clear that if he returns, that he'll be a neutral or evil.

I don't see Rain being an alley of Kitana's. I mean he got his butt handed to him by Jade in Konquest mode.

He's either going to side with Onaga, Shao Khan or be a freelance assassin.

Updated: To Grizzle Sorry to say this! But that story idea sucks!!! I like for Rain should stay evil. He has all the traits of a "Neutral Evil" character. I'm under the impression that Rain would kill his mother to survive. Carrying about one self is a selfeish trait. I doubt that Rain would want to advenge his father, without doing so secretly or without help. Rain an't that stupid! I think he should return as a ninja, just with a revamp look of his own. I like the idea of Rain being a bastard, that only looks out for himself. If he becomes a good guy. I hope that give him a descent story. Ermac becoming a good guy is a good reason for me. He was being manipulated by Shao Khan's mind control. Rain on ther other hand join Shao Khan out of fear and selfeishness. I say again, bring back Rain. But as an evil or neutral character.

To queve: Sindel's and Jade's stories aren't really like that of Kitana's or Rain's....With Kitana, she wanted to escape her life as an assassin for Shao Kahn. I think with the Earthrealm heroes gaining an upper hand against Shao Kahn and his forces in the MK3 timeline, Rain probably realized he finally had a good opportunity to free himself from being Shao Kahn's assassin warrior.

He joined Kahn out of fear for being killed by his extermination squads, but Shao Kahn had been defeated and his forces beaten so Rain wouldn't have to return to serving him. Even though he was allied with Kahn before, I don't think he liked him very much and learning about his father's death would've made Rain like Kahn even less so him joining Kitana and Earth's heroes is imo to get back at Kahn, but also to ensure that he won't have to serve him again.

I think that he should probably be more on the neutral side though he should be against Kahn. Perhaps he'll try to find his purpose and come across another MK character or something.



Jade defeating Rain in Konquest was only a side mission so there's no story significance. I don't see why he'd side with Shao Kahn or Onaga, but the freelance assassin concept isn't a bad one. I think his story can go in various directions. It doesn't have to necessarily be one of siding with the good guys. However, I don't want him to side with characters like Kahn or Onaga. It's just too simplistic and boring, imo.

I hate rain, but thats my opinion. Since I hate rain, I expect rain to be in the next mk. So what if khan threatens rain with his life if he doesnt kill kitana. Rain would be nutrual, and faced with being a coward, or die

MY ENDING: Rain chooses the side of good- shows khan smashing his face with the hammer, khan steps on his chest. Then you see a close up of rains face begging for mercy.Khan breaks though his ribs with his foot... FATALITY

And you were complaining about his story? Well, your ending concept isn't exactly any better....

Rain was never ordered to kill Kitana. Shao Kahn had Jade and Reptile find Kitana and capture her so they can bring her back to Kahn himself, remember?

I mean, if you can't post anything that's at least mildly interesting, don't bother posting in here, especially since you hate Rain. You already made your point clear there.

u misunderstand me, Im saying that a story for rain in MK7 ( if he appears), not somthing that has happened. I was trying to make a story were rain could be nutrual.

Even so, there could've been more ot it. It was just too simplistic...But yeah, he should be neutral.

I'd like to see Rain get a second shot. I think with a good revamp he could do well.

I personally am for the "Rain loves Kitana" idea. I like the idea of Rain being a poor, spineless schmuck fighting to get a girl who's way out of his league in spite of himself. I find that interesting and somewhat unique for Mortal Kombat....but that's just me.
And unless the MK creators have a briliant ace up their sleeve...it looks like we're stuck with Liu Kang exactly as he was, so maybe a love triangle would add something worth while to the otherwise stagnent Liu/Kitana relationship.

That said, there are some valid points made against that idea:
- there have been too many "evil to good" characters
- there aren't enough evil Edenians
- the Edenians revolve around Kitana too much

It is true we've seen a few too many reformation characters. Or maybe, it's not so much there are too many, but there haven't been enough "good to evil" characters to balance.
And I do agree there aren't enough evil Edenians. So far we've only got Tanya, who fans very much divided on. It would be nice to if we saw some more evidence that Edenia is not a realm of purity and it like any other realm has it's share of bastards and bitches.

That said, I'm hesitant whether or not Rain should be the one to do this. I agree with Sub-Zero_7th in based on we little we know about Rain, he doesn't come across as a power hungry backstabber. Just a coward. Which is one reason why I lean towards Rain trying to be "good." His inner conflict would be "can he prove himself to be a hero for Kitana even though he's a been a spineless puss for centuries?"

However, as stated, Rain is very underdeveloped. So he could easily be reintroduced as an evil prick.
Which brings me to my second point: say they bring Rain back and reveal he's really a backstabbing rat bastard who's only out for himself and would kill his own mother to survive and get ahead. Now reread that description and ask: doesn't that sound a little too much like a certain other Edenian that no one likes? A certain Edenian who's a real backstabbing bitch who has already sold out her own father to survive and get ahead?
Do we need or want Rain to become too much like Tanya, who many complain is becoming too much like Kano?

However, that may be used as an advantage by having Rain and Tanya pair up. I recall a while back a user suggesting instead of Rain loving Kitana, he should love Tanya and together they screw over everyone in their path to get what they want. A potentially volatile relationship that could maybe work if done right.
Point is, if Rain comes back evil, I think they should avoid sending him down the backstabber road unless Tanya's right by his side. I'm sure some would argue that would make simply make him redundant, but nevertheless...

Now another point that I agree with is the Edenians are revolving too much around Kitana, which would be an inherent flaw in the "Rain loves Kitana" idea. This is not just a problem with Rain, but Jade and Sindel who so far remain trapped in Kitana's shadow.
Or even if they don't have Rain in love with Kitana, having him be good he could easily fall into a similar trap if they have him simply trying to restore Edenia...like the others.....or trying to avenge his father.....like too many other characters.
They could still have Rain be in love with Kitana and/or trying to be a good guy and not have him fall into that trap....I've given some thought of this for my strories and I could attempt to explain how it can possibly be done, but I'd have to map out storylines for several other charcaters for it to make sense and I'm not in the mood and my ideas aren't that concrete.
Point is it can be done....but having him be evil would probably just be easier.

Now another possibility to consider is not confine Rain to one alignment...or in essence make him purely neutral. Like Sareena, one of the focuses of his story could be "which side will he end up on?" Have him tempted to join both sides. Part of him would like to reform himself and get with Kitana and avenge his father.....but his cowardly nature draws him to easy path with Tanya or Shao Kahn. And who says we have to go down the already used "happy ending" route? Maybe in the end, Rain chooses to side with evil after all.

Or hell, why not combine two ideas? Have him secretly seduce Kitana while also secretly seducing Tanya and simply wait to see which side wins. Make him like an evil, suave pretty boy who seduces women to get what he wants. Something else we haven't really seen in Mortal Kombat.


Anyway, I guess the point to all this is Rain can definitely come back to the story and go in sorts of directions.

One final thing I want to address is the whole "we already have too many ninjas" thing. One, as I pointed out in the ninja thread, the whole concept of the Mortal Kombat ninja has become meaningless now that they aren't pallete swiping anymore. And more importantly, who says Rain has to come back as a ninja....or more accurately, who says he needs to wear a mask?

I think Rain must return
defending Edenia

im not a rain fan, but i must say i like some of XiahouDun84's ideas. I think the ideas that involve him trying to decide good or evil and the tanya ideas and interesting.