It is not really that the 3D era characters were that much superb, but people forgive alot more because MK2-4. And they should not: Reiko did not exist as a character of any kind up until Armageddon, for example. Literally all he did was walk through portals and have the helmet.
Nostalgia is a subjective factor and as such should not be a determining factor in anything. When you like something and have to compare it to something else you automatically have to disregard popular/your opinion.
Something you like does not equal something that is better.
To you, yes. But that is the very definition of subjective. Better character is a moot point, but better written is not. It is demonstrably true that the MKDA+ bios and overall design contains more information than anything before.
Nostalgia is a subjective factor and as such should not be a determining factor in anything. When you like something and have to compare it to something else you automatically have to disregard popular/your opinion.
Something you like does not equal something that is better.
To you, yes. But that is the very definition of subjective. Better character is a moot point, but better written is not. It is demonstrably true that the MKDA+ bios and overall design contains more information than anything before.
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Dasher10 Wrote:
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
True, but he also had the misfortune of starring in the trainwreck that was Armageddon. Put him in an earlier game like DA or Deception in a supporting capacity and he might've come out relatively unscathed.
diirecthit Wrote:
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
Ashrah got scads of development as well, yet she doesn't get talked about even half as much mostly because she's the rare female series character who doesn't look like a slut.
Yes, I said it.
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SwingBatta Wrote:
True, but he also had the misfortune of starring in the trainwreck that was Armageddon. Put him in an earlier game like DA or Deception in a supporting capacity and he might've come out relatively unscathed.
Ashrah got scads of development as well, yet she doesn't get talked about even half as much mostly because she's the rare female series character who doesn't look like a slut.
Yes, I said it.
Dasher10 Wrote:
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
True, but he also had the misfortune of starring in the trainwreck that was Armageddon. Put him in an earlier game like DA or Deception in a supporting capacity and he might've come out relatively unscathed.
diirecthit Wrote:
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
Ashrah got scads of development as well, yet she doesn't get talked about even half as much mostly because she's the rare female series character who doesn't look like a slut.
Yes, I said it.
To be fair Ed Boon and the rest of the team did expect Ashrah to be popular and a fan favorite.
diirecthit Wrote:
To be fair Ed Boon and the rest of the team did expect Ashrah to be popular and a fan favorite.
SwingBatta Wrote:
True, but he also had the misfortune of starring in the trainwreck that was Armageddon. Put him in an earlier game like DA or Deception in a supporting capacity and he might've come out relatively unscathed.
Ashrah got scads of development as well, yet she doesn't get talked about even half as much mostly because she's the rare female series character who doesn't look like a slut.
Yes, I said it.
Dasher10 Wrote:
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
Taven was a flat character. His whole story is only trying to stop the end of the world which occurs the second he awakens. He's redeemable but the whole end of the world plot will need to be scrapped and he'd need to be developed as a character for me to care. For a starring protagonist he had no personality so I simply couldn't care about him.
True, but he also had the misfortune of starring in the trainwreck that was Armageddon. Put him in an earlier game like DA or Deception in a supporting capacity and he might've come out relatively unscathed.
diirecthit Wrote:
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
I feel like NRS really put some effort into Li Mei.
Ashrah got scads of development as well, yet she doesn't get talked about even half as much mostly because she's the rare female series character who doesn't look like a slut.
Yes, I said it.
To be fair Ed Boon and the rest of the team did expect Ashrah to be popular and a fan favorite.
She had a good backstory and a decetn look, I think what hurt her popularity the most was the first impression, with the whole "female Raiden" nonsense.
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I always loved most of the 3D characters. I was shocked to learn that they were so controversial in the fanbase. I feel like most of the 3D characters should get a 2nd shot. These are the ones I think should return (im not including Kenshi, Quan Chi, Shinnok, and Tanya because they have already returned.)
Fujin- All you do is need to watch chapter 1 of the MKX story to know why he should return.
Reiko- I wasnt Reiko's biggest fan but the komics have made him really cool.
Bo Rai Cho- He is extremely important to the lore. He also has a unique moveset with Drunken Fist and his staff. He needs to return.
Li Mei- I really hope she returns. I love her because her moveset was really fun and because she is one of the few normal people in Outworld. I loved how she was Bo Rai Cho's apprentice. Li Mei is kind of Outworld's Liu Kang. She also fits MK's kung fu movie thing when it comes to creating characters. Li Mei is the young female Martial artist. Im glad she is gonan be in MKX as an NPC at least. She is also the only Asian woman in MK. Hopefully she is DLC.
Frost- I always thought Frost was cool (no pun intended). I loved her look and hair. I always thought her story with Sub-Zero was good. Now that she reappeared in the komic, she has a lot of reason to return. Her moveset would be a mix of ice and mma. I dont see why there cant be 2 ice users but there can be like 5 or 6 fire users. I would like to see her join the Black Dragon after Jarek and Tasia attacked.
Havik- The cleric of chaos! Havik had a really fun and gruesome moveset and that definitely fits MK. His Morningstar weapon was also really cool. I think the komic is setting him up to be the main villain.
Hotaru- If Havik returns, Hotaru definitely needs to return. I loved Hotaru. His armor, Naginata, and lava were all really cool to me. His appearance was the best of all the Deception characters. The armor, white hair, and flags were awesome. The Orderrealm was really cool too. Hotaru needs to return but without the Darrius and Dairou nonsense.
Onaga- His appearance should be a little more dynamic, but his story as the original ruler of Outworld is great and I definitely want him to return.
Theses next characters have potential but need to be changed up a bit.
Kira- I thought Kira had a really cool design andafter I read her backstory, I realized she had one of the best backstories in MK. Kira just needs her own moveset. Her moveset could include daggers, assualt rifles, RPGs, bombs, etc. She is a terrorist afterall.
Nitara- I always thought she had a cool design for a vampire. Her story was kinda lackluster. I think she could be saved if they recreated her moveset and brought back her kamas.
Ashrah- Her holy powers and Kriss were really cool. Her design as a fully dressed woman instead of a slutty outfit was a nice change. Her biggest problem though was that she wasnt really involved in anyone's story.
Kai- I almost didnt include him because of his awful appearance in MKA. It was so terrible. But if they make him like his MK4 self and play on his capoeria, he might be cool. MIGHT.
Dairou- I liked how he was kinda based on Jet Li. If they brought him back as a badass mercenary and made him relevant, I could except him.
Daegon- He could actually be really cool and a major villain but idk if they will ever use him.
Ones who should not return.
Jarek- I mean he could be ok if they kept his rope moves and his axe, but he probably cant be saved.
Meat- Cameo at best.
Mavado- He is dead. He had potential. But it is now gone.
Hsu Hao- Boon hates him and he isnt popular.
Drahmin- Same as Hsu Hao
Blaze- Boring fire guy. Like we dont have enough fire users....
Mokap- Duh
Darrius- It seems liie every fighting game has to have a generic black guy in sunglasses.
Taven- Most boring protagonist ever.
Kobra- The meaning of generic.
Fujin- All you do is need to watch chapter 1 of the MKX story to know why he should return.
Reiko- I wasnt Reiko's biggest fan but the komics have made him really cool.
Bo Rai Cho- He is extremely important to the lore. He also has a unique moveset with Drunken Fist and his staff. He needs to return.
Li Mei- I really hope she returns. I love her because her moveset was really fun and because she is one of the few normal people in Outworld. I loved how she was Bo Rai Cho's apprentice. Li Mei is kind of Outworld's Liu Kang. She also fits MK's kung fu movie thing when it comes to creating characters. Li Mei is the young female Martial artist. Im glad she is gonan be in MKX as an NPC at least. She is also the only Asian woman in MK. Hopefully she is DLC.
Frost- I always thought Frost was cool (no pun intended). I loved her look and hair. I always thought her story with Sub-Zero was good. Now that she reappeared in the komic, she has a lot of reason to return. Her moveset would be a mix of ice and mma. I dont see why there cant be 2 ice users but there can be like 5 or 6 fire users. I would like to see her join the Black Dragon after Jarek and Tasia attacked.
Havik- The cleric of chaos! Havik had a really fun and gruesome moveset and that definitely fits MK. His Morningstar weapon was also really cool. I think the komic is setting him up to be the main villain.
Hotaru- If Havik returns, Hotaru definitely needs to return. I loved Hotaru. His armor, Naginata, and lava were all really cool to me. His appearance was the best of all the Deception characters. The armor, white hair, and flags were awesome. The Orderrealm was really cool too. Hotaru needs to return but without the Darrius and Dairou nonsense.
Onaga- His appearance should be a little more dynamic, but his story as the original ruler of Outworld is great and I definitely want him to return.
Theses next characters have potential but need to be changed up a bit.
Kira- I thought Kira had a really cool design andafter I read her backstory, I realized she had one of the best backstories in MK. Kira just needs her own moveset. Her moveset could include daggers, assualt rifles, RPGs, bombs, etc. She is a terrorist afterall.
Nitara- I always thought she had a cool design for a vampire. Her story was kinda lackluster. I think she could be saved if they recreated her moveset and brought back her kamas.
Ashrah- Her holy powers and Kriss were really cool. Her design as a fully dressed woman instead of a slutty outfit was a nice change. Her biggest problem though was that she wasnt really involved in anyone's story.
Kai- I almost didnt include him because of his awful appearance in MKA. It was so terrible. But if they make him like his MK4 self and play on his capoeria, he might be cool. MIGHT.
Dairou- I liked how he was kinda based on Jet Li. If they brought him back as a badass mercenary and made him relevant, I could except him.
Daegon- He could actually be really cool and a major villain but idk if they will ever use him.
Ones who should not return.
Jarek- I mean he could be ok if they kept his rope moves and his axe, but he probably cant be saved.
Meat- Cameo at best.
Mavado- He is dead. He had potential. But it is now gone.
Hsu Hao- Boon hates him and he isnt popular.
Drahmin- Same as Hsu Hao
Blaze- Boring fire guy. Like we dont have enough fire users....
Mokap- Duh
Darrius- It seems liie every fighting game has to have a generic black guy in sunglasses.
Taven- Most boring protagonist ever.
Kobra- The meaning of generic.
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The 3D characters could be interesting. I mean, think of it this way....
Pretend for a second we didn't have the comics, they never happened. Now pretend these bios leaked for these characters for inclusion in MKX;
Having spent years serving in Shao Kahn's army as a master strategist, Reiko had received the position of general as the emperor approved of the fighter's ruthlessness. After the emperor's death and the rise of Kotal Kahn to the throne, Reiko chose to ally himself with Mileena's rebel faction. As guided by his spiritual advisor, a cleric of chaos named Havik, Reiko seduced Mileena and became her closest adviser and lover. He spent years manipulating her for his own ends while driving her forces into battle with Kotal Kahn's army. Reiko followed the anarchists plans in hopes of eventually taking Outworld's throne for himself.
A high ranking member of the Red Dragon clan, Mavado had undertaken a ruthless campaign of extermination against rivals of his clan and his employers, Mileena and Reiko. Under their plans, Mavado had led an assault against the Lin Kuei and successfully stole their secret cloaking technology. With it, the Red Dragon began acting as Mileena's spies in Outworld, slaying all who openly opposed her. Under the orders of Reiko, Mavado and his clansmen laid in wait for Kotal Kahn to strike against Mileena's forces. Once he did, the full fury of the Red Dragon would strike back.
A loyal member of the Red Dragon clan, Hsu Hao's strength is matched only by his treachery. For years, this Red Dragon spy worked as a member of the clans' most dangerous adversaries, destroying their operations from the inside. Upon the revelation that a Special Forces agent had infiltrated the Red Dragon and betrayed their clan, Hsu Hao was commanded by Daegon to pursue and kill the outsider, Kenshi. With a group of Red Dragon members, Hsu Hao began tracking the swordsman as he fled towards the Himalayan Mountains, vowing he would kill Kenshi as well as the swordsman's son, Takeda.
Movesets, looks and their past aside, they would sound fucking awesome. To me at least. There's no reason what-so-ever the majority of these guys shouldn't resurface in the main games at some point.
Pretend for a second we didn't have the comics, they never happened. Now pretend these bios leaked for these characters for inclusion in MKX;
Having spent years serving in Shao Kahn's army as a master strategist, Reiko had received the position of general as the emperor approved of the fighter's ruthlessness. After the emperor's death and the rise of Kotal Kahn to the throne, Reiko chose to ally himself with Mileena's rebel faction. As guided by his spiritual advisor, a cleric of chaos named Havik, Reiko seduced Mileena and became her closest adviser and lover. He spent years manipulating her for his own ends while driving her forces into battle with Kotal Kahn's army. Reiko followed the anarchists plans in hopes of eventually taking Outworld's throne for himself.
A high ranking member of the Red Dragon clan, Mavado had undertaken a ruthless campaign of extermination against rivals of his clan and his employers, Mileena and Reiko. Under their plans, Mavado had led an assault against the Lin Kuei and successfully stole their secret cloaking technology. With it, the Red Dragon began acting as Mileena's spies in Outworld, slaying all who openly opposed her. Under the orders of Reiko, Mavado and his clansmen laid in wait for Kotal Kahn to strike against Mileena's forces. Once he did, the full fury of the Red Dragon would strike back.
A loyal member of the Red Dragon clan, Hsu Hao's strength is matched only by his treachery. For years, this Red Dragon spy worked as a member of the clans' most dangerous adversaries, destroying their operations from the inside. Upon the revelation that a Special Forces agent had infiltrated the Red Dragon and betrayed their clan, Hsu Hao was commanded by Daegon to pursue and kill the outsider, Kenshi. With a group of Red Dragon members, Hsu Hao began tracking the swordsman as he fled towards the Himalayan Mountains, vowing he would kill Kenshi as well as the swordsman's son, Takeda.
Movesets, looks and their past aside, they would sound fucking awesome. To me at least. There's no reason what-so-ever the majority of these guys shouldn't resurface in the main games at some point.
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KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
The 3D characters could be interesting. I mean, think of it this way....
A loyal member of the Red Dragon clan, Hsu Hao's strength is matched only by his treachery. For years, this Red Dragon spy worked as a member of the clans' most dangerous adversaries, destroying their operations from the inside. Upon the revelation that a Special Forces agent had infiltrated the Red Dragon and betrayed their clan, Hsu Hao was commanded by Daegon to pursue and kill the outsider, Kenshi. With a group of Red Dragon members, Hsu Hao began tracking the swordsman as he fled towards the Himalayan Mountains, vowing he would kill Kenshi as well as the swordsman's son, Takeda.
The 3D characters could be interesting. I mean, think of it this way....
A loyal member of the Red Dragon clan, Hsu Hao's strength is matched only by his treachery. For years, this Red Dragon spy worked as a member of the clans' most dangerous adversaries, destroying their operations from the inside. Upon the revelation that a Special Forces agent had infiltrated the Red Dragon and betrayed their clan, Hsu Hao was commanded by Daegon to pursue and kill the outsider, Kenshi. With a group of Red Dragon members, Hsu Hao began tracking the swordsman as he fled towards the Himalayan Mountains, vowing he would kill Kenshi as well as the swordsman's son, Takeda.
I think you've accomplished what was thought to be impossible: making HH...interesting.
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Dasher10 Wrote:
Because a lot of them sucked.
Jarek and Kira were both Kano clones. There is literally no reason for either to reappear.
Hsu Hao was an Asian guy with a Simpsons skin tone and dressed like a gay stereotype. His design is just plain offensive in more ways than one.
Kai was a Liu Kang clone with nothing special about him.
Meat and Mokap were joke fighters.
Drahmin lacked both personality and any type of combos.
Moloch was unbearably cheap.
Blaze was just a generic fire guy.
Kobra redefined the word generic. He literally had nothing interesting about his appearance or backstory.
Shujinko was such an idiot and a hero in name only.
Because a lot of them sucked.
Jarek and Kira were both Kano clones. There is literally no reason for either to reappear.
Hsu Hao was an Asian guy with a Simpsons skin tone and dressed like a gay stereotype. His design is just plain offensive in more ways than one.
Kai was a Liu Kang clone with nothing special about him.
Meat and Mokap were joke fighters.
Drahmin lacked both personality and any type of combos.
Moloch was unbearably cheap.
Blaze was just a generic fire guy.
Kobra redefined the word generic. He literally had nothing interesting about his appearance or backstory.
Shujinko was such an idiot and a hero in name only.
I wouldn't really lump Kira with Jarek. At least she had something resembling a backstory and something to do in the games. She's one of many decent characters the developers slapped with lazy movesets. I liked playing Jarek in MK4 but he was the ultimate Xerox copy of a character (Kano) if there ever was one.
Kobra worked only when he was teamed with Kira. His storyline is boring as all hell, yet he redeemed himself a little with his rather humorous Armageddon ending.
Agree with you on Blaze. Fans don't go apeshit over the Pit II background and he's not in the games at all.
Kai should've had a larger role by now, but I guess NRS couldn't be bothered to give a big push to another black character. Their loss.
Hsu Hao's design is abhorrent, yes, but he set off a nuke in the OIA headquarters. That has to count for something.
Dasher10 Wrote:
Keep in mind that the Seidans (Darrius, Dairou and Hotaru) are redeemable in my eyes. There was nothing wrong with those characters but they were a distraction to the main story in Deception. I'd like to see them in MK11 provided that Seido is a core part of the main plot.
Keep in mind that the Seidans (Darrius, Dairou and Hotaru) are redeemable in my eyes. There was nothing wrong with those characters but they were a distraction to the main story in Deception. I'd like to see them in MK11 provided that Seido is a core part of the main plot.
Hear, hear. Not only are those three sickeningly underrated and are certainly deserving of another chance, it would've been the perfect way to get Cage back into the fold from his MK9 ending rather than the silly Family Matters storyline in MKX, but alas it wasn't to be.
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