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Repairing MKs story after Hurricane Deception!
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posted12/16/2005 04:37 PM (UTC)by
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QueenAhnka
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Deadly Alliance had a PERFECT story. It tied up all the loose ends and plot holes of preveious MK games while also focusing on it's own story.DA story was VERY deap and perfect.Finally the whole entire MK storyline was explained.But then came Deception, ruining everything DA had set up both story wise and game wise.Deception totally ignored characters from DA, i kept wandering where was Hsu Hao? Where was Mavado? Where was all theses great new characters we were introduced to in DA? It bugged me so much that i went out to get a Action Replay whitch allowed me to play as Frost and 12 other characters.So will MK:Armageddon be able to repair what Deception did to the MK story.confused
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 •12/10/2005 02:53 AM (UTC) •
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Yes, yes , yes! Absolutely perfect assessment. While DA was the perfect game and had a good storyline, Deception was not and ruined many aspects of the storline. Nitara and Frost were not existant in the latest fighting game....no mention of Mavade and Hsu Hao either...and many other characters unexplained.

However, Im sure MK:Armageddon will explain all the plot holes in due time when it is released in late 2006 on PS2 and X-box consoles....
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 •12/10/2005 05:20 AM (UTC) •
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i'm all up for fixing the story. The Zombie Liu Kang could've waited until MK7. Maybe they should have focused on Kung Lao's character development than an excuse to bring back LIu.
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 •12/10/2005 05:52 AM (UTC) •
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Oh yeah, bringing back Kung Lao in MK7 is a great ideaglasses
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 •12/10/2005 10:46 AM (UTC) •
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outworld222 Wrote:
Yes, yes , yes! Absolutely perfect assessment. While DA was the perfect game and had a good storyline, Deception was not and ruined many aspects of the storline. Nitara and Frost were not existant in the latest fighting game....no mention of Mavade and Hsu Hao either...and many other characters unexplained.

However, Im sure MK:Armageddon will explain all the plot holes in due time when it is released in late 2006 on PS2 and X-box consoles....


Frost, mavado, Hsu hao are officially dead. Nitara got back to her realm in her ending.
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 •12/10/2005 11:50 AM (UTC) •
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Chrome Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
Yes, yes , yes! Absolutely perfect assessment. While DA was the perfect game and had a good storyline, Deception was not and ruined many aspects of the storline. Nitara and Frost were not existant in the latest fighting game....no mention of Mavade and Hsu Hao either...and many other characters unexplained.

However, Im sure MK:Armageddon will explain all the plot holes in due time when it is released in late 2006 on PS2 and X-box consoles....


Frost, mavado, Hsu hao are officially dead. Nitara got back to her realm in her ending.


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 •12/10/2005 12:09 PM (UTC) •
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Hsu Hao: Jax's ending is more probable to happen, since we have in game messages in Konquest stating that hsu hao may return, nah! -i think that was in chaosrealm.

Mavado: chest crushed by the hooksword, laying dead in the backround in Kabals alt. bio.

Frost: Sub-Zeros ending states that he believes her to be dead. Not a character that many want back, though she may be hibernating what I find highly possible.

Nitara: MKDA ending.
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 •12/10/2005 06:28 PM (UTC) •
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Chrome Wrote:
Hsu Hao: Jax's ending is more probable to happen, since we have in game messages in Konquest stating that hsu hao may return, nah! -i think that was in chaosrealm.

Mavado: chest crushed by the hooksword, laying dead in the backround in Kabals alt. bio.

Frost: Sub-Zeros ending states that he believes her to be dead. Not a character that many want back, though she may be hibernating what I find highly possible.

Nitara: MKDA ending.


Yes, and to add on to the Hsu Hao thing, Jax's MKD trading card bio pretty much confirms that Jax was fighting Hsu Hao so that tells that Hsu Hao is as good as dead, especially with his artificial heart being ripped.

I don't think MKDA's story was perfect. For one, I didn't like the origins of the Black Dragon by having Morihei Ueshiba as the founder. I think that's kind of insulting to someone who created a martial art of peace and harmony.

Also, there was at least 1 plothole in MKDA's story. The only one I can think of at the moment is the whole Cyrax thing which contradicts what happened in MKG.
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 •12/10/2005 06:41 PM (UTC) •
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To the best of my knowledge, Midway retconned the cyborgs part in MK4G. So, Cyrax got stranded only once before MKDA, and Jax was who found him. Meanwhile Sektor claimed the Lin Kuei as his oqn and terminated the grandmaster.
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 •12/10/2005 06:43 PM (UTC) •
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Chrome Wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, Midway retconned the cyborgs part in MK4G. So, Cyrax got stranded only once before MKDA, and Jax was who found him. Meanwhile Sektor claimed the Lin Kuei as his oqn and terminated the grandmaster.


Yeah, that's what I mean.

One character I forgot to mention was Scorpion. His story was fucked up in MKDA due to it being that it pretty much says that Scorpion has been after Sub-Zero from the MK1 - MK4 timeline and doesn't know that the Sub-Zero's he's been hunting down since MK2 isn't the same one who killed him all those years ago.
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•12/10/2005 07:01 PM (UTC) •
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But it is NOT confimed what happened to Hus Hao,Nitara,cyrax or any other DA character.
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•12/10/2005 09:12 PM (UTC) •
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There have been a lot of topics on this subject while i have been visiting this forum. I did not really like Hus Hao or any other of the MKDA new characters only Bo Rai Cho i liked. The story does need some serious attention. Endings need to make sense and link with eachother and stop contridicting eacother. Like Hotaru's and Kenshi's and Sub Zero's in MKD they should all be centered around either Kenshi killing Hotaru or Hotoru killing Subzero.

It confuses people and it needs sorting out.
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 •12/10/2005 09:14 PM (UTC) •
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The "best" way to fix the story is just flat out ignore Deception. Really... what good can come out of using any of the plot points? The regression of Goro's character? Invincible Dragon King? About half the characters ready to turn traitor to either side at the drop of a hat? Zombie Liu Kang?

Uh. What a horrible piece of shit.
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 •12/10/2005 11:11 PM (UTC) •
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MK should've been a book.......or an an adult animated series. I mean, if people only care about the story and seem to hate the games - well, that's my point of view.

I'll just say that up to Deception, I think the story is stellar and handled itself very well. Other than retcons (which I ignore unless the game addresses it themselves - I just try and tie everything together. Call me a hapless fanboy but fuck it), I think things are going smoothly.

But I hope an end is in sight. I dunno why, but a conclusion should come.
If anything, they need to repair MK's story after SM's story. There were some things I liked from Deception's story. But yeah with all this stuff going on, MK needs to end soon. You can only do this story for so long until it becames stale.
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 •12/10/2005 11:42 PM (UTC) •
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
But it is NOT confimed what happened to Hus Hao,Nitara,cyrax or any other DA character.


Actually, Ray DeGuzman had long ago confirmed that Hsu Hao is officially dead. Also, Reptile's MKDA ending happened and with the way it happened, that means that Nitara's and Cyrax's endings also happened.

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There have been a lot of topics on this subject while i have been visiting this forum. I did not really like Hus Hao or any other of the MKDA new characters only Bo Rai Cho i liked. The story does need some serious attention. Endings need to make sense and link with eachother and stop contridicting eacother. Like Hotaru's and Kenshi's and Sub Zero's in MKD they should all be centered around either Kenshi killing Hotaru or Hotoru killing Subzero.

It confuses people and it needs sorting out.


The endings? Nah, I'm more worried about what actually happens in the story that we see in bios and such.

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The "best" way to fix the story is just flat out ignore Deception. Really... what good can come out of using any of the plot points? The regression of Goro's character? Invincible Dragon King? About half the characters ready to turn traitor to either side at the drop of a hat? Zombie Liu Kang?

Uh. What a horrible piece of shit.


I agree about Goro and maybe the Zombie Liu Kang. As for the traitor thing, I think you're overexaggerating. And besides, I do find some good points with the story such as Raiden's new persona, Noob's character development, etc. I don't think MKD's story should be ignored even though there are some things I would've done differently.
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 •12/11/2005 12:08 AM (UTC) •
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ProudNintendofan Wrote:
If anything, they need to repair MK's story after SM's story. There were some things I liked from Deception's story. But yeah with all this stuff going on, MK needs to end soon. You can only do this story for so long until it becames stale.


MK needs to end???
This is hopelessfuriousfurious MK is gonna come out with a game a year. Period.grin
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•12/11/2005 12:38 AM (UTC) •
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This thread amuses me. *Tips hat to Chrome, Sub-Zero7th and Pretentious* I'd pay a bit more attention to what these 3 are saying if I were the rest of you. Keep up the good work guys, especially Sub and Chrome. wink
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•12/11/2005 10:49 PM (UTC) •
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I don't think the MK Story is getting complicated,I mean not if they go back and fix all the plotholes and ignoring DA problems in DE.If they do that then the MK story would be nice and neat again.wink
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 •12/12/2005 02:46 AM (UTC) •
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
I don't think the MK Story is getting complicated,I mean not if they go back and fix all the plotholes and ignoring DA problems in DE.If they do that then the MK story would be nice and neat again.wink


DA as in Deadly Alliance or DA as in other way of saying "the"?
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 •12/12/2005 02:50 AM (UTC) •
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idk about u but the concept of the dragon king sucked...it wasnt mk at all...they could of came up wit usmthing better then the dragon king...sumthing more orginal n interesting..also we need more loners in mk .....this teamin up thing as a group is fuckin lame...it feels like dat stupid cartoon...where they were a "family" and worked together...they need to be on their on to win the ultimate prize..of course there will be allies like johnny cage n liu kang but all the earth realm warriors bein allied to 1 another is dat needed?? nah..
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•12/12/2005 02:53 AM (UTC) •
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DA as in Deadly Alliance,what i was saying is if they fix the plot holes in DE and explain what really happened to some of the DA character's then every thing would be cool again.
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 •12/12/2005 03:10 AM (UTC) •
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idk about u but the concept of the dragon king sucked...it wasnt mk at all...they could of came up wit usmthing better then the dragon king...sumthing more orginal n interesting..also we need more loners in mk .....this teamin up thing as a group is fuckin lame...it feels like dat stupid cartoon...where they were a "family" and worked together...they need to be on their on to win the ultimate prize..of course there will be allies like johnny cage n liu kang but all the earth realm warriors bein allied to 1 another is dat needed?? nah..


I think the Dragon King concept is fine. How does it not feel like MK? As for the teaming up thing, do you mean the Sub-Zero/Kenshi teamup or something else?

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DA as in Deadly Alliance,what i was saying is if they fix the plot holes in DE and explain what really happened to some of the DA character's then every thing would be cool again.


Which characters in MK: DA are you talking about? As for the plotholes, MKDA had that whole Cyrax plothole thing, but I guess it was just simply a retcon. MKDA fucked up Scorpion's storyline. MKDA's storyline failed to explain all that much as to what happened in MK4. We don't know what happens to characters like Kai and Reiko. Shinnok is defeated, but what happens to him? Is he banished to the Netherrealm again? If so, is he powerless now? MKDA explains none of that.
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 •12/12/2005 03:36 AM (UTC) •
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Digital_Assassin Wrote:
idk about u but the concept of the dragon king sucked...it wasnt mk at all...they could of came up wit usmthing better then the dragon king...sumthing more orginal n interesting..also we need more loners in mk .....this teamin up thing as a group is fuckin lame...it feels like dat stupid cartoon...where they were a "family" and worked together...they need to be on their on to win the ultimate prize..of course there will be allies like johnny cage n liu kang but all the earth realm warriors bein allied to 1 another is dat needed?? nah..


I think the Dragon King concept is fine. How does it not feel like MK? As for the teaming up thing, do you mean the Sub-Zero/Kenshi teamup or something else?

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DA as in Deadly Alliance,what i was saying is if they fix the plot holes in DE and explain what really happened to some of the DA character's then every thing would be cool again.


Which characters in MK: DA are you talking about? As for the plotholes, MKDA had that whole Cyrax plothole thing, but I guess it was just simply a retcon. MKDA fucked up Scorpion's storyline. MKDA's storyline failed to explain all that much as to what happened in MK4. We don't know what happens to characters like Kai and Reiko. Shinnok is defeated, but what happens to him? Is he banished to the Netherrealm again? If so, is he powerless now? MKDA explains none of that.


in the begin intro movie u can see all the earth realm warriors gathered near a fire i think listenin to raiden..i thought that was lame...yea htey r fighting for earth but make dem have sum differences between each other..i hate that whole team n family concept...itslike mka the movie n the cartoon show...theres not 1 badass from the earthrealm except maybe kabel the only loner from earth...but they already messed up his story in mkd...
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 •12/12/2005 05:04 AM (UTC) •
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Right, because a group of people that have been fighting together against invasions from other realms for a number of years certainly would have no connection or bond with eachother and thus, would NEVER be inclined to ever team up or band together or something.

Nope. That's just ridiculous.
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