Yeah pretty much this. If they're going to reinvent someone or completely reboot any or all parts about them then it should just be a whole new character instead.

You can keep your Asian with BDSM clothing, put me under the DO NOT WANT department.

How about we bury that terrible character. There are far many more characters worth re-development then Hsu Hao. Out of all the characters introduced in Deadly Alliance I would rather see Nitara get another chance. (Frost maybe, but we already got Sub-Zero.)

Hsu Hao, I salute you.

I think that dumb ass hat is his downfall tbh.

I think people disliked him with the same reason they disliked Jarek and Kira.

They are just characters that replaced Kano, with the same abilities (mostly) and laser-stuff.

But Noob Saibot also begon as Scorpion-Clone and look where he is now.

Some new moves and appearance-changes can do magic.

Pretty much. His hat-less alt, combined with that Klingon sword weapon stance made Hsu Hao look like a fucking boss.

I thought Hsu Hao had some cool moves. He's not my favorite, but I didn't think he was that bad, compared to some other characters.

Not really.

Jarek and Kira replaced Kano, yes (and also Sonya in Kira's case), but Kano was still playable along with Hsu Hao in Deadly Alliance. He'd didn't replace anyone. He's was just a new original character.

It really just boils down to being a post-MK3 character and people disliking his design.



Disclaimer: I'm cool with Hsu. Not exactly my Top 10 favorite characters, but I don't think he deserves the hate he gets.

I agree with Riyakou. I'm not a fan of Hsu Hao but i'm not against seeing him back in the roster, i think he's got as many chances to be ameliorated than to be worsened. The MKX new characters that were revealed all look and sound awesome at that point, but since it may not be for all of them, an amelioration of a bad character would be a reward at some point.

What about Hsu Hoa turning into the Red Dragons personal Executioner and Torturer. Maybe being some cruel dr.frankenstein, using slaves and prisoners parts and turning them into monsterous abominations by replacing limbs and other such things. He loves cruel experiments. He could be a top level criminal searched by Sonya & CO as he's one of earths most wanted criminals. He maybe also loves to flay people alive, and does experiments with their brains. Cannibal could also work.

Hsu Hao lacks any form of personality, so there isn't any tell as to what does and doesn't fit.

As for his appearance, I don't think it's wise to assume he would maintain the exact same appearance as before. I'm actually surprised you of all people would make that assumption.

Also, for the umpteenth time lol, this is not about Hsu Hao being popular. The fact that you mentioned popularity leaves me to believe you did not read my previous post, at least not entirely. I have no intention on trying to make Hsu Hao - or anyone - popular. That doesn't mean he can't be a good character.

As for the state of his emotions and desire, I feel you are assuming this as well. Again, if you have any proof of otherwise please show me. However, if this were to be true - and by true I mean actually confirmed by the series or team, not by you - I've already developed a solution for such an event. In fact, it potentially links my concept to the one you and Mick-Lucifer are developing.

Well his Konquest Mode text does go on and on about how his implant makes him unnaturally singleminded and focused on following orders and having "no ambition" and his Armageddon ending, like I said, is about him becoming his "true self" in death, a demon of "emptiness and desolation".

Unless you have a different understanding of what the word "ambition" means than I do, an "empty" man incapable of wanting anything for himself sure sounds like someone who doesn't feel any base emotions to me.
So I have to ask...
If you're not going to keep his ONLY defining visual traits, being a large Mongolian with facial hair and a Chinese Military uniform, and you're not going to keep his story, how is it Hsu Hao? How are you not just making a new dude and giving him Hsu Hao's name? Why not DO that if you want this character that's entirely your own invention to be a thing?

Don't know why, but I thought of the doctor from Kabal's MK9 ending. Actually, I've always wanted a psycho doctor character or something, having fatalities like scalping someone alive and pulling the brain out.

Yeah, if you're going to create a character who does medical experiments, it should be the cyber-doctor who did Kano's eye.

I'd reveal that he did the Cyberninjas for the Lin Kuei too, like Legacy did.

I never denied him his original story; you assumeed, yet again, that I did.

I gave him a personality to apply to his story. Hsu Hao being a sadist does not completely change his story, and I honestly do not believe you believe that.

As for his appearance, I never stated giving him an entirely new body; I merely clarified that it is unwise to assume he'd have the exact same appearance as before.

I don't understand your gripe at this point. I'm honestly starting to not take your end of this argument seriously, and I do not wish to feel that way. With that, I move on.



On the grounds of you and Mick-Lucifer's concept of Hsu Hao being a continuously developed bionic project, I find it interesting, but without reason. Considering the possibiity of Hsu Hao being a mere golem, I previously concocted the idea of a such from within my own concept.

Clearly, Hsu Hao's lust for torture and murder can lead him into some bad shit, and it will. Choosing to go after his "prey" instead of remaining in Outworld as commanded would quickly cause him to fall out of favor with Mavado. Mavado grows tired of Hsu Hao's sexual obsession and loses faith in his ability to remain loyal, at least on his own. With this, he tracks down Hsu Hao himself, abducts him, and returns him to the laboratory where Hsu Hao's expirements initially began. Mavado refuses to have anyone be insubordinate. Hsu Hao will obey, by any means necessary.

With this, the whole losing emotion and whatnot can come into play, and the series of experiments you and Mick-Lucifer mentioned does make a good end result. One could say Mavado is dead set on keeping Hsu Hao from disobeying ever again. This obsession of Mavado's could also lead into the project of creating actual red dragons. It could be his newest order of obedience, initiating the project with all those who disobeyed his commands.

The reasons we have characters like Hsu Hao is because the MK team focus more on classic characters than when they are creating new ones.. So the new ones tend to become clones or just get stuck with horrible moves, because by then the MK team has become lazy.

I must confess I like Hsu more than Mavado.

I think of mavado as a cheap Kabal, I hate it that Mavado has Kabals weapons, and Mavado looks generic.

I wouldn't mind a storyline where Hsu eventually kills off Mavado as his lust for torture and science with the human body becomes too much of a problem for Mavado, so Hsu kills him and takes command of the Red Dragon.

I wouldn't even mind if Hsu turns out to be the Docter in Kabal's Ending.

And yes I need that Docter in the game! He would be responsible for Kabal, Jax, Kano, Sektor & CO and all other such characters.

His fatalities would be gruesome and nasty, with replacing bodyparts and removing vital organs.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Enjoying something, especially enjoying hurting people, requires emotion and ambition. Canonically, Hsu Hao feels nothing and wants for nothing. Pleasure is a distraction, and Hsu Hao is singleminded and incapable of being distracted. All that interests him is loyalty to the Red Dragons.

And the fact that this is a process he WILLINGLY submitted to is important because having it forced on him or being injured and repaired just means telling the same story of Kano, Kabal, MK9 Jax, and/or 2/3rds of the Cyberninjas over again.



His appearance is made of five traits: "Beefy", "Mongolian", "Bald w/ Mustache", "Military uniform", and "Red cyber-heart".

Which of the five would you keeping and which would you be getting rid of?

Because to be honest, none of them, in ANY combination, make the idea of him being into S&M an appealing one. He's like the most cartoonish option you could possibly pick on the entire roster if you wanted to make people think of kinky sex, really.



My gripe is I don't understand why you picked Hsu Hao to turn into this "sexually-aroused-guy" you want to see, because it's nothing like the existing character. It's not just a revamp, it's a new and separate thing entirely.

What about THIS character do you think makes him suited to be the outlet for this fetish? Why him?

And how does it serve the Mortal Kombat franchise and not just yourself? I mean, characters are tools writers create in order to move a story forward, and there is an argument to be made that since the role for which Hsu Hao was created in the first place no longer exists, that means that you SHOULDN'T attempt to bring him into the MK9 timeline, that he doesn't FIT this continuity and should be saved for the NEXT reboot entirely, when there might be room in the Special Forces for a sleeper agent who wants to help them destroy the Black Dragons and becomes Jax's archnemesis by betraying them when that job is done. So unless you have a specific path in mind for a tale about how the Reds and Blacks and Special Forces should be interacting in the post-MK9 world that he's required for, I just find myself thinking "The motive for this idea is that the guy wants somebody, ANYBODY to be a weird S&M character, because he's into that or something, thinks it would be easier to convince other people if he stuck it on an existing character instead of creating an OC, and picked Hsu Hao because he thinks Hsu Hao is either the blankest slate, or the most likely to be into rough trade 'cause he looks like Mr. Slave from South Park."

I will give you this; being a willing participant could be valuable to the story.

With that, I redirect the idea of abduction to a mere continuing of Hsu Hao's initial expirements, moving to enhance the brain and cyber heart. Nevertheless, Mavado's plan to install infinite obedience remains, unknown to Hsu Hao.



It seems you are declaring that a sadist must be attractive; that is not true, at all.

To be honest, this section of your post seems more mockingly than anything. This has nothing to do with 'kinky sex' or the like, and you know it. This is merely about Hsu Hao's personal sexual obsession. He does not need to be gorgeous to be a sadist. In fact, he is better off looking frightening.

The cyber heart is already a good start, but it should appear thinner and brighter. In addition, he could use a more sinister facial appearance. His eyes are already dark and red; slightly larger eyes with an all-black sclera would definitely suffice. He can lose the hat, though. That shit sucks.

If you were indeed being mockingly, please stop. For me at least, this is a serious discussion. If you no longer take the discussion seriously, please refain from replying further. Otherwise, let's both try to be more constructive.

You might as well reinvent Google Plus

The hat fucking rocks. I agree though if you're trying to change Hsu Hao from a Mongolian Chinese Military Cyborg into something else you might as well make a new character. It's like putting M.Bison in a karate gi as a main costume and expect that to go over.

I visually liked Hsu Hao though he did border on cartoonish / Capcom.

Hsu Hao being a sadist does not keep him from being a Mongolian Chinese Military Cyborg.

I'm not understanding how people are making that connection. I never said he was no longer Mongolian or Chinese. I never said was no longer militant. I never said he was no longer cybernetically enhanced. What made you think I did?

You're just making up something for him where he has nothing. I think that's useless since the only reason to build him up as a character is....just to do it. He serves no real purpose and he might as well have been a made up character in a fan fic. I'm all for characters from the later games to be re-imagined in a sense but only when they have something really to build upon. Like Drahmin with his backstory and Nitara with her connections to other characters. All you can do for Hsu Hao is to give him a personality. Then what does that accomplish when he's still just another member of a clan that doesn't even really need to exist since all their members suck? You can imagine a story for any character to try to give them some depth and NRS can definitely do it but there is no real use when a character is so far down in the trash can. If they were hypothetically to remake MKDA entirely like MK9 remade the Trilogy, then that's the only pass I've give Hsu Hao. Other than that he is not worth a roster spot.