Your opinion, bro.
He's no more boring than Scorpion or Liu Kang.

I'm talking about the characters for the most part and about them having to reboot the series.

They did the reboot to reintroduce a 20 year old franchise to news generations of gamers, and MAYBE because they wrote themselves into a corner with the end of Armageddon.

They've never expressed shame or dislike for most of the DA and Deception characters or plot elements, that belief comes from fans like yourself projecting their own opinions onto NRS.

Based on what I've seen so far, I have reason to believe it. And I'll hold on to that until I see a decent number of their characters return, especially Onaga.

You mean the only canon game they've made since Armageddon, the remake of MK1 thru 3 that should have only had MK1 thru 3 characters in it, but also had Quan Chi, Kenshi, and cameos for Shinnok, Reiko, Tanya, Sareena, Frost, Kira, Daegon, Fujin, Bo' Rai Cho, and Havik?

First, I wasn't counting MK4, I consider that one a classic like the original trilogy.

Anyway, yes I mean that game. The game that remade the history of the entire franchise. You don't have to take it literal, as if I'm saying NRS HATES EVERYTHING that came out of those games, but I do see them cutting ties with a number of things that do have potential. Sure Bo' Rai Cho, Havik, and Fujin got honorable mentions but they still didn't manage to solidify a spot on at least the DLC roster, even though there's a couple of peeps in the roster that could be replaced and wouldn't be very well missed (I won't say any names). And then Kira and Frost? They didn't even bother or try to make them younger or give them different looks so I wouldn't be surprised if they're in MKX as the exact same cameos.

I just believe that we won't see most of the characters from those games playable again because that's how I feel NRS feels about them. And I honestly perceive it that way. I may see it one way, you may see it another. No need to be a smart ass as if you work with NRS or something.

And the point I'm trying to make is you don't really have any actual evidence that they feel that way, which makes me think you're projecting YOUR opinion of those characters ONTO the developers.

The only PS2-era characters that we actually know Ed doesn't like, because he's actually said so, are Drahmin and Hsu Hao. That's it.
If you can't see how giving MK9 cameos to a bunch of that era's characters is a form of showing them love and acknowledging that they deserve to return one day rather than being retconned out like they never existed, the way Hsu Hao was retconned out of the Special Forces backstory and replaced with Kano, that's your problem

I'm not projecting anything. From what little resources I have, I formed an opinion on the subject. Sure, there may not be clear-cut evidence that they dislike Ashrah but then again there's no evidence they don't. So it's open-ended to discussion, because the only people that truly know whether she's in or out is the team.

I'm not just gonna sit here acting like I know exactly what's going on in their minds. But it's always fun to speculate.

There's a reason that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is a saying, man.

There's also no evidence they don't hate Reptile, a character whose story is about being a pathetic slave who never gets what he wants, dies in some of his own endings, gets constantly redesigned, and didn't even talk in MK9. But that doesn't give me license to say "they might hate Reptile", that would be blatantly retarded.

Yes, but Darrius is not Reptile. It wouldn't be retarded to say that "they might hate Darrius", because it's certainly a possibility.

Based on no evidence except that he didn't appear in a remake of games he wasn't in the first time.

Do you get how the logic doesn't work?

If you just called it a "wild guess based on nothing at all" I'd respect that way more than you trying to prove they don't like characters who weren't in MK9 when those characters would NEVER have been in MK9 because they weren't in MK1 thru 3.

Just consider it a theory. One that would be proven wrong with those characters being playable in MKX or MK11, etc. EDIT: Plus, before the reboot, there were talks about moving the franchise toward a clean slate. Logic tells me they're trying to get rid of the dead weight to revitalize the series.

Do you not get that a clean slate would affect characters they supposedly "like" from the first three games like Sonya, Johnny, Mileena, Shang Tsung, etc. JUST AS MUCH as it would affect the DA-thru-Armageddon characters?
Like I said, I don't have a problem with you having a theory. I have a problem with the non-proof you keep using to back it up. Your logic is shitty, that's all I'm saying. And honestly, I'm not even bothered by you in particular, really. It bothers me because of how MANY different people all think the DA-era characters are gone because THEY didn't like them, so they just ASSUME the devs didn't like them either when nobody on the team ever said that shit.

There is nothing to confirm your "theory" - no need to pretend that this is truth somehow.
And, when somebody disagrees with you, it doesn't mean that they are working for NRS or something.

No. MKX is about three things already.

1. Shinnok returning from the Neatherrealm.

2. Kotal Kahn.

3. New fighters.

We don't have time for the Order vs. Chaos stuff in MKX. Save them for the next game. And even with DLC, I still feel like some of the dead fighters from the last game should show up first.

Some MK9 characters were killed for a reason, they already had in mind MKX, they needed to create space to introduce new characters and concepts. And I believe there's always "time" if the elements of a story are well integrated. The word "deserving" doesn't hold too much weight, the ones who want only Mk1-Mk3 characters and lore should wait for an anniversary game edition or something.This game is about progressing from that.

MK9 showed NRS still remembers the PS2 era games, so the potential of some of their concepts/elements making a comeback is always possible.

True, At least I hope it is.

Because I am sure the writers didn't just write the MK9 story and not thinking there will be a sequel they kept in mind there is a possibility of a sequel so they didn't just kill the characters for no reason they knew they were going to introduce new characters in the next game so they kind of cleaned the roster but keep in my if they didn't put a character in the game and they saw that it was Very highly requested they'll add him/her as DLC for sure :)

I don't think anyone was seriously clamoring for them to specifically be in MKX, because it's a given that's not happening. MK11 would hopefully seem more realistic should that game even come to pass.

Though I now find Havik somewhat overrated after having researched the history of the four OvC characters, they all definitely deserve to return. It's mainly about them not getting the Hsu Hao treatment and permanently being tossed to the curb.

Well you got that wrong about me because I like those characters, and I'm being pessimistic. And I meant something like Soul Calibur's clean slate, they still have fan-favorites, so it's not like it was written in stone what exactly Boon's 'clean slate' meant. And calling someone's logic shitty is kinda rude, but whatever. Sure, I may end up being wrong in the end or not, so what? I'll stick with it until I'm proven otherwise.

@RedSumac
I'm not trying to project it to be true, I just believe it that way. You can believe what you want to believe, it doesn't matter to me. I have nothing against other theories and opinions, but when my position gets attacked I have a right to defend it. I wasn't saying Razor was wrong or trying to provoke anything, I was merely defending what I believe. And those differing opinions make a discussion. This is a forum, is it not?

I would not object to Darrius returning. I actually like his character being a neutral freedom fighter against the rule of order in seido. Him being a seido native himself i believe. I think his story arc in deception was interesting. However it had nothing relavent or effected the main storyline or any of the classic characters, so unless they shoved the whole order vs chaos angle down our throats for more games which they didnt, even though imo Darrius' story wasnt bad and his char isnt bad, he had nothing solid to stick to. New chars need relavence to the main plot in some aspect and/or to a specific classic character in some way that makes sense either big or small. Without that then they are just a side show in the end and thats what Darrius' story was, it was a side show. I still liked it though and would like to see him and his actions become more involved with the overall plot so he becomes some real importance. However i feel like the character of Darrius is dependant on the character of Hotaru. I think if you bring Darrius back u must bring Hotaru too at least for that initial return. Otherwise bringing Darrius back in a titally new revamped way where his story is all new, then wtf is the point? Might as well make a whole new character.

All in all yes id like to se him return with Hotaru during some kind of storyline like constant war and chaos in all realms.... Like a wolrd war but a.... All realms war? Lol cus then darrius can rebel in seido being one of the wars going on, kinda like in deception but bigger and better.

Anyways yeah thats my thoughts.... I honestly wouldnt be surprised to never see hin return, but i wouldnt mind.... I like his gauntlets....

How a thread about Darrius is 4 pages long is beyond me.

There are also four pages in the Sareena thread.

It does get tiring talking about the same old characters on here so stuff like this is a change of pace.