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You seriously put Kitana below Sindel and Mileena in terms of "importance" and "definite" queve? Not trying to start anything, but you always seem to be. MKvsDCU should give you a pretty good idea who the main two female characters in this series are. Opinions on a character are on thing, but having a series debate on "who makes the cut" really should be approached with a level head. I really can't even fathom someone trying to debate that at this point; try to be more objective for once. I must have missed that Sonya confirmation somewhere, too.

We already know that Mileena is going to be in the game, and it's pretty much a given that Sonya and Kitana will be in the game as well. Chances are, we'll probably be seeing all of the MK1-MK3 females, perhaps excluding Khameleon.

I don't see how Sindel and Sheeva wouldn't make it into the game since they're part of the MK1-MK3 era. Granted, I don't like Sheeva, but we'll probably see her anyway, even if she doesn't have anything particularly important to the story.

As for any of the post-MK3 females, I doubt we'll see them involved with the story, but you never know until the game comes out.

.........seriously?

Isn't this supposed to be a personal opinions thread on which Females we want back playable?

I don't take back anything I said because I never undervalued Kitana's importance and I was stating my opinion and also being objective about the facts. In case you have forgotten I remind you that history has given us very plausible reasons to believe (more than once) that Kitana's chances of getting cut-out of a game "in the last minute" are just as serious and real as her chances of staying in the final cut.

I respectfully ask you to go back and read again. You misunderstood my post and categories if you thought I was "only" speaking "facts", so, allow me to explain very quickly:

1.- I clearly stated that Kitana's chances are very high, that she is popular, classic, and iconic, and that she will most likely make the cut. Had it been otherwise I would had probably not even mention her because I could care less, but I will never say that she is not a central figure in the story of the games because she is! Unlike others, I don't do that for characters "I don't like" for whatever stupid reasons (and I happen to like Kitana and her sexy steel fans). I will say it again for you: I expect her to return.

I clearly said her chances are high and I never diminished her importance in any part, reason why I clearly said: keep her on the background for story mode purposes!!! I said that I, personally, rather they gave another one of the more interesting Edenians her spot if they are planning to cut down the number of playable females. From an objective POV, I never questioned her likely presence in the game though (one way or another).

2.- I choose to put Sindel and Mileena above her because I personally prefer to see them instead of Kitana for very good debatable reasons. Also, comparing Sindel's, Mileena's, and Kitana's importance is debatable at this point of the timeline. Again, this doesn't mean I'm saying "Omg, the Princess is not important, we don't need her".

And yeah, this was a serious objective guess of "who makes the cut". Would it really be a surprise to you if that was the final case and Kitana was cut out?

Hasn't history shown us (more than once) that Kitana tends to get cut-out of the games in favor of another female character or for whatever extra reasons? So, that's why she is also in that category, because it is just as likely that she can get cut-out "in the last minute" for someone else like its happened more than once in the past games.

3.- Bottom line: I was voicing my personal opinion and I was also being objective "with a leveled head". If not, I wouldn't have even mentioned the Princess. I clearly state Kitana's importance, I did NOT say she is not important or less important than Mileena or Sindel, and I clearly specified that if they are cutting females, I personally rather her spot be taken by someone who might actually be interestingly developed and worth the spot this time around (and still, I said keep Kitana for story mode purposes). It's happened before, so, it is objective and serious to have her where I placed her even if I believe she is in there for sure.

There. No, I'm not trying to start anything either, so, don't make any assumptions.

I agree with your list.

It would be awesome if they were to add Tanya and Nitara.

If they were to add Li Mei, it would be such a waste, only because Li Mei had her spot in MKD and Frost and Nitara(the 3 of them from MKDA) didn't.

The only game that Kitana was "cut at the last minute" from was MK4. Last time I checked, Sonya has not been in every MK game either. I don't see her in MK2 or MKD anywhere. I don't view this thread as "who do you want in", especially since you labeled your categories "main definite females" and "has a good chance at making the cut". This game will be about the major, iconic characters in the series, and frankly Kitana played a bigger role in the early games than Sonya or anyone else did.

Like I said, we've had MK vs. DCU. The only two female characters from MK in that game are Kitana and Sonya, and it's just a fact that one is no more important than the other and the MK team is well aware of that. If you need to tell yourself you're being objective or make excuses, be my guest. You're not though, because if you truly think an objective point of view is ranking the characters likely to be in this game by headline categories like that then I'm not sure what to say to it if you put anyone but Sonya and Kitana as "definite". You didn't set aside your obvious personal dislike of Kitana; there are plenty of characters I don't like, like Sonya, but I know she will be in this game because that's just how it's going to be. They won't leave out the biggest names from this. I apologize for trying to make any sense on this subject.

Whatever, I am not going to argue with you about this any further because there's no point. I already explained and its up to you what you choose to believe. I don't have to explain myself anymore and I still stand by all I've said.

Oh, regarding Kitana:

MK3: She got cut out for whatever reasons.
MK4: She got cut out for Tanya.
MKD: She got cut out for Jade.
MKvsDC: Her "Story Chapter" was completely cut-out even though they had some plans for it (yeah, I'm aware she is playable).

In all fairness she did make it into more complete versions of those games though.

Kitana is definitely more important to the story than Sindel though. In fact Kitana is heads and shoulders above the other females of MK, with maybe the exception of Sonya depending on who you ask.

Are we seriously doing this Sonya vs Kitana bullshit again?

How many times over how many years does this conversation have to happen?
Y'know, no two other characters get their popularity debated this over-the-top fiercely. Scorpion fans aren't at war with Sub-Zero fans. What is it with people whose favorite characters are female, that they can't act like mature adults?

This is all I'm saying. I'm not trying to start Kitana vs. Sonya part 257, merely suggesting that both characters should be looked at as the main two female characters at this point. MK vs. DCU gave us a very clear idea of which characters the team themselves view as the most important and iconic. Even if Kitana was cut from MK3 and MK4, the outcry for her was obviously great enough that they added her in on the "complete version" of both of those games each time. Since then, she's been in every game except in MKD where there was a storyline reason she was not.

The site is more interesting when people are fans of some characters and even when they dislike others, so I'm not asking everyone to just accept all the characters since that'd make for a very boring time. However, it's a fact that both these females are the "main" two and just keeping an open mind to that, they are almost definitely going to be in this game. I would say this is the most objective view I can think of:

Already confirmed:
Mileena

Almost definitely:
Kitana
Sonya

Most likely:
Sindel
Jade

Possibly/Probably:
Sheeva

Very unlikely:
Khameleon
Anyone post-MK3

Unless you count Unchained as the "complete" version of Deception. In which case, Kitana's technically in every single game. (Well, except the first obviously)

Not that I want to encourage any of this debate. I'm just being the facts and science guy.

I think Ashrah would actually be interesting if they put her in this game. I believe she was one of Quan Chi's minions during the MK3 time period. What they could do is completely change her appearance, where she is more demon like and have her be rivals with Ermac.

Sareena would be an interesting character to add as well for various reasons that other people mentioned above. Tanya would be an interesting choice to (this was before she turns bad?)

Li Mei, Nitara, Frost, and Kira don't really have much MK1-Mk3. I know Kira was a mercenary in Afghanastan....but she doesn't really fit in the storyline.

Pretty good point, I totally forgot about Unchained.

Sindel - Not to disrespect her fans but the first time I saw her in MK3 (hands down, along with the anime influenced Street Fighter Alpha series, one of the worst fighting games from the 2d era), I feel like I was gonna throw up. Seriously her hair is a weapon? Holy shit and her screams are fucking annoying. Anyways almost 90% of the fighters in that game were eyesores...maybe if that was the game that introduced me to MK, I would have loved Sindel and the clowns that were featured in MK3. To me, MK3 to UMK3 to MK Trilogy were a going backwards for the series. I don't care how some fans remember it with misty eyes, that it has faster game play and all, dial a combos, pure button mashing fun, it doesn't change the fact that it's pure, fly infested fertilizer. However the actress who played Sindel in the games, I kinda find her cute.

Sheeva - On topic now, the female Shokan, like Sindel, she's a freak. To paraphrase You Know Who in his comment on Frost, we already have Goro and Kintaro, do we really need another Shokan (however female she is).

Jade - To be honest, I think of her as a filler character. There is nothing special about her, she's just a bikini model who suddenly becomes a fighting character. She's Kitana's glorified sound board, nothing exciting about that. To quote Ice B in her infamous thread: "Gone"

Kitana - Her introduction in MK 2 was certainly a breath of fresh air for the series. Definitely, her fan throw and fan slice are one of the best and most graceful moves in MK. They weren't corny nor forced. But the best about her in MK 2 was her victory pose. When she bowed like that, spreading the fans as she did, that was very sexy. It doesn't even come off as slutty but classy. Unfortunately in the later installments of the series, she's become a boring royalty figure. If she would be reinvented in MK9 or perhaps in the next game after MK9, maybe she could very well get rid of her Edenia/princess/damsel in distress storyline. What to do to improve her storyline is: ditch her mother, ditch her long distance love affair with Liu, ditch Edenia and start fresh. This isn't new, XD tackled this already in the stay or go thread but I want a return to the Kitana of old. Perhaps they could give her a new costume that would reflect the new direction of her storyline. Obviously she couldn't go back to her assassin days since that's too same old same old. How many assassins are there in the MK universe, too many I guess. Perhaps she could be an Amazon like Wonder Woman or Marvel's Elektra or Psylocke, She could also have short hair to give her a more updated look. Definitely, she should be in the new MK.

Sareena - Never understood what others see in her. But there is definitely a potential for her to develop as a character. Obviously you can't make a character cool overnight. It's an organic trial and error process. You have to know what works and what doesn't work with a character. First thing they should fix though is her look. She's too bland-looking, she doesn't look like a fighter in a tournament to the death, more like a heavy metal groupie. Compare her look with another demoness character, Satanika from the Verotik line of comic books (not for those with prudish sensibilities):
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33118/663147-satanika_1_super.jpg

Frost - Honestly, I find her not interesting in the goddamn least but if they base her model on this cosplayer: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/frosdtcosplay.jpg
and gave her an inspired movelist and storyline, perhaps she could be salvaged from the pile of rejects.

Sonya - Costume wise, her best look was in MK 4. They definitely should minimize the boob job on her though, maybe make her more shapely in the legs department. If Kitana has cup d bumpers for example, maybe Sonya should have a cup c. MK shouldn't be a boob fest for fuck's sake. I think they should base her model on the actress who played Sonya in the MK Rebirth clip. And please no more Kano vs. Sonya bullshit. Yet because of the time traveling angle reported about the new Mk game, I think we'll get another dose of this garbage. Storywise, Vogel should delve more into Jax and Sonya's platonic relationship, how it affects their work etc. Also another story that could work for her is working for a corrupt CIA and how that bureau gets connected to the Special Forces and how she deals with that kind of situation. In the moves dept. it would be better if they make moves tailor made for her. Take out the bicycle kick from her move list, that's Liu Kang's signature move, and it doesn't look good on her at all. Her classic moves from MK I and those from MK 4 is enough anyway.

Mileena - Honestly I also thought of Mileena as a filler character once because she's just a color palette swap of Kitana and I liked Kitana more but since she possesses two of the more memorable moves from MK (teleport kick and turning herself into a human bowling ball), plus a more compelling storyline (she isn't your typical bimbo who kicks ass cliche), not to mention her hot alt costume in MKD, she absolutely became my favorite among all the MK lasses. Ditto with Crow on her portrayal as a slutty killer. That is not how I envision Mileena myself. She could wear her primary and alt costumes without having to act and move in her victory poses like Anna Williams. I kinda like how they incorporated the slutty walk in that fatality with Kung Lao though I would have much preferred if it was confined to that fatality alone, never to be used in her victory poses. From MK 2 to MK Gold for example, she never had any slutty movement or gestures in her and I think that would be more in keeping with her personality, a cold and calculating killer though I think showing a lot of cleavage is her way of getting to her prey more easily. Nothing is more tempting as bait than a piece of hot nookie (to some men at least) hehe.
Granted that she is indeed slutty in her manners, the MK team would've presented that "sluttish" behavior with more originality. For example, Mai Shiranui is slutty but you don't see her acting like Anna Williams, instead she goes on an exhibition spree My only problem with Mileena is her face. I think it was a cop out by the MK Team to give her that face to differentiate her from Kitana but it's all bullshit. This is the reason why I kinda like her Armageddon ending.

About the rest of the MK dames, they're not that interesting to merit discussion. I think it would be better if MK should feature female characters that don't have to use sex to gain attention. Look at Virtua Fighter for example, they have women fighters that aren't complete sluts. A token bimbo would be fine but too many would be threading on DOA territory.

I truly hope that Jade will make the cut.
That said, I know she started out as a mere Kitana palette swap. She has always been in Kitana's shadow and lacks the originality and individuality that Mileena has gained throughout the series. However, she has SO much potential in becoming her very own design. She is the better assassin than the twin girls... And why do I say that? Let me tell you...

Kitana and Mileena were assassins for Shao Kahn along with Jade. However, unlike the twins who were sent directly into the tournament to fight the Earthrealmers, Jade was sent to rid of Kahn's competition in the shadows outside of the tournament and report back to him about the turn of events in the tournament. The fact that Kahn relied on Jade to do so makes me see her as a superiour assassin than the twins, giving her a darker and more ninja-like feel to her, even more so than Scorpion who with hellish flames fire up the battle arena. Yes, it is cool, I give you that, but it is not very ninja like. Jade on the other hand can dodge projectiles and vanish in a smoke cloud only to reappear behind her foe which are both seemingly ninja-inspired.

In Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, Shao Kahn showed his gratitude by giving Jade her own unique weapons, the kinetic staff and the razor-rang, and a WHOLE DESERT! The desert in UMK3... yes, that is Jade's, a personal gift from the mighty emperor of Outworld himself. Shao Kahn has never done anything like it for his two "daughters".

Though after having been given these things, she still went with her best friend, Kitana, to support her in the quest of freeing Edenia. Why did she do that? Jade was sent by Kahn, along with Reptile, to get Kitana back, but when she found out that Reptile was to assassinate her, the two ladies kicked his ass. Jade realized that Kahn's trust only reached so far and thus she felt betrayed and left with Kitana.

In Mortal Kombat Deception, Edenia is freed from the rest of the Outworld. While Kitana is busy with being a princess, and Mileena is busy being a jealous bitch who wants revenge over her sister, Jade is still in the background doing the dirty work, as seen in Konquest where she deals with nosy intruders such as Rain. Kitana is then slain by the Deadly Alliance, Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, and later raised from the dead to become Onaga's assassin/bodyguard. Sindel becomes imprisoned by them, but Jade gets her out and together they free Kitana from Onaga's influence.

Then there is the rivalry with Tanya... I think it smells alot like former seen rivalries, like that of Kitana and Mileena, Sub Zero and Scorpion, even that of Sonya and Kano. It was a weak attempt to give the two of them some more storyline. I do think Tanya is a cool change from the other Edenian women though, in that she is more that of a sorceress than an assassin, with her fireballs and such.

I hope that Jade will make it to this new Mortal Kombat game, and that it will flesh out her character and storyline much more than the previous games in the series. I also recall a version of Mortal Kombat 2 where Jade had chestnut coloured hair rather than having all black like the rest of the Edenians. Have you noticed that ALL of the Edenians have black hair? Only Sindel has another haircolour, it being white, but it still has that long black streak in it. To give Jade more individuality, such a small thing as hair colour and design would make a difference.

My point with all of this was to show that Jade has alot of storyline already, maybe even more than Kitana, but she is heavily neglected and I would love to see her become more of an individual character and step out of Kitana's shadow.

As an end note, I think it is worth mentioning that Jade was chosen to represent Mortal Kombat as the sexiest female character in the Girls Gone Wired competition. Just thought I'd throw that in with the rest of my Jade fandom. ;P

Mileena's great but she's a female Baraka.

I'm most curious to see your source(s) on these two items...

Aw yes! Tanya and Nitara are the coolest post-MK3 females.

My Top Five
1. Sonya
2. Kitana
3. Jade
4. Sindel
5. Sheeva

I am definately sure I've read it somewhere, though it is a very long time ago (around when UMK3 was released), so I cannot give you any sources.

In this, I might be wrong, but after I've read that, I've accepted these as facts.
If anyone can confirm it, please do.

If I am wrong, then I apologize if I have mislead anyone to believe differently.

(Edit: I have found that the desert stage of UMK3 is called Jade's Desert on MKWarehouse. Link: http://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/umk3/arenas/jadesdesert/ )

The stage is called Jade's Desert but that doesn't mean that it's HER land. If it is it hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the story.

Right, they just called it Jade's desert because she is visiting it from time to time... Numbnuts.

Yeah, I agree. I hope if they were to have characters post-MK3 and they were to have females, it should be those two.

I'm a MEGA HUGE Nitara lover and fan (as you all know), so, yeah, I am also hoping for her inclusion. It really wouldn't change much of the storyline or make drastic annoying "retcons" to the original plot considering what she is and what she's been up to.

I also LOVE Li Mei, Frost, and some of the others, but, these ones would really make no sense and screw everything up.

I guess Nitara and Tanya really are the ones with the most chances.....oh, but, don't forget about Sareena. I think her chances are equally as good as theirs (even though I like the other 2 better).

That's a bit silly to be honest. I don't think this had much to do with anything. Jade was a totally different character when she first debuted than she actually turned out to be (in a game like MKD). Even if it makes sense to you, it's still an assumption since nothing has ever been mentioned about Jade's relationship, if any, with Shao Kahn.