Haha Oh Jaffe you're such a silly dude why don't you calm down and get back to working on Twisted Metal
What's with all The Kratos is in and if you quit MK because of it then F*ck you posts. They're mighty repetitive. And Most of us who don't want him will buy this game anyway...most of us anyway.

I don't care what influences they have, this is MKO and I come here for intelligent discussion. If I wanted this shit, I'd post on any other MK site. THIS is supposed to be the civilized one.

Of course I'm sure Crow's point of view will just be all "what do you expect me to do?" or "Well just being stupid and juvenile isn't actually breaking any of the forum rules." and maybe hand out some worthless skull points.

My kingdom for a decent discipline system.
Oh, and then there's the fact that we've been having this same conversation, across three or four different threads, for almost a full WEEK now, and nobody has said anything different than what they were saying on fucking Tuesday. It's STILL half the board going "Guest characters don't fit" and the other half bitching about how he does because he's violent and blah blah blah. It's OLD. BOTH SIDES ARE OLD.

Sooo...nice Hell-themed stage, eh?

All this fuss over a single PS3 exclusive character with no bearing on the story whatsoever who actually "fits" in the brutal theme of Mortal Kombat when the last game was watered down to a T-rating with half the characters wearing spandex and a storyline any one of us could've conjured up in 5 minutes.

Well I got all my anger out in the thread I created about this subject so I'll just keep it to the point. I am 100% against Kratos or any other guest character being in this game. Will it deter me from buying the game? No but that doesn't change the fact of me not liking it and just because I don't like it doesn't make me whiney as some others have stated. Here are my reasons:

He adds absolutely nothing to the game. He has no story(thank god) so in a game that is a retelling of MK 1 - 3 and is promised to have the deepest story mode out of ANY fighting game ever, then why was he even considered to be in in the first place? People say "oh well he's a bonus and he'll be fun" well thats the ONLY aspect he can be applied to since he has no story and can't be used in tournaments, so why favor him in place of an MK character who can be utilized in ALL aspects? Which leads me to my next point..

Yes he will take a character's spot. I don't care how much you want to ignore it he is taking a spot. Time, resources and development have been put into him to be a character in this game, which are time resources and development that could be used for an ACTUAL MK character who's relevant to this game.

SAYING HE FITS IN WITH MK IS A TIRED AND ILLOGICAL REASON. Just because he comes from a violent game does not mean he belongs in a completely other franchise because it's violent too. I used an example of this logic, but by replacing GOW with Manhunt. By saying that Kratos fits in with MK's atmosphere I can say that Cash or Daniel Lamb fit in too because they come from an extremely violent game as well. See? Just because they are both violent games does not mean they should be mixed together.

Kratos will not sell MK. I don't care who says he will because you are wrong. People planning on buying this game or hear about this game to look into it is because it's MK, not because it has Kratos in it. Not one person is going to spend $60 dollars on a fighting game like this because they like ONE character and if they do then that's just sad and a waste of money. If that's the case they should just go play GOW.

Ed Boon has now lied. He and his team have stated that this is "a game for the fans", it's a "retelling of MK's 1 - 3", "they want to go for a more serious tone and leave gimmicks/silly stuff out of this one", well having ANY sort of guest character throws all of those statements out the window.

So all I can see is this is nothing but something to help cash in. Everybody knows damn well that this game would sell extremely well by being MK without any cheap gimmicks and with the way internet is now every site would pimp the hell out of the new MK when it came out leading to even more people learning about it. If people don't buy this game it's not because it's not going to have guest character's in it, it's either because they don't like MK or fighting games in general not because of Kratos being in or out.

Well those are my thoughts so if you wanna disagree and call me some whiney little fanboy go ahead. Im just a dedicated fan who wants to see MK's return to glory by ACTUALLY being MK instead of giving into cheap gimmicks. Does this ruin MK for me? No. Does that mean I have to be happy about every decision? No. Im just upset and voicing my opinion but go ahead and feel free to call me stupid or flame me. Do I care? No. Ed Boon I respect you and your team and you have given us a quality product, but inviting Kratos in with open arms just lessens feels extremely wrong and cheated

Posts that are "immature" will be handled accordingly, just trust that they will instead of commenting on them and giving them credence. If the post had been ignored I could have removed it, but now it's a topic of conversation so I would have to delete an entire conversation to truly remove it.

The best thing you can do is ignore it. I gave my warning in the first Kratos news lead and it still stands; any type of over-the-top nonsense, especially as it relates to the actual MK team members, is not going to be tolerated.

Omg lol people need to stop complaining and crying that Kratos is in the game cause it's pretty awesome the trailer was sick !! And if some of u don't like it well then don't buy the game cause Mk will be amazing!!

I'm trying to understand this move from a business point of view and the only thing I can think of is NRS thinks they can get more people into buying MK since it has a character from a clearly popular series. My feelings is that the genre of the game is not similar to MK. I love fighting games, not action. Most people I know who like action, don't seem to impressed with fighting games. He appears to be a cool character, but I would prefer someone with actual MK history. Let's face it, Boon has never been able to get it perfect, but based on how it's coming along, if this is the only thing to bitch about. It's a big leap forward compared to previous MK games.

Those are characters who actually could expand the mythology; instead we're getting a knock of Quan Chi. Who's also already in the game. yeah.


Whatever number of DLC characters you think this game is going to have, it's doesn't change the fact Kratos is wasted development time. That time could have been spent on a character who:

1) Could contribute to the story.

2) Be playable in tournaments.

Kratos can do neither.


If Kratos hadn't been taken up, would that not leave development time available for at least one more character? Everything starts with a schedule and projection of content to complete. If people are saying that we'd have the same number of characters even if Kratos was absent, I simply don't see how that's possible. I can't comprehend them finishing up all character programming, having time to implement one more, and not doing it. It's not even conceivable to me.

I'm not even a Rain fan. If you don't like Rain, swap out it with a better character. Li Mei could have been in; Kenshi could have been in. People can say "wait for DLC" all they want, but that too will be finite, and someone is going to get left out.



I don't really think you need new characters for this freshness (from a gameplay perspective. With the new engine, everyone's going to be fresh, especially people who didn't have their own move sets like Smoke and Noob Saibot.

I also question how fresh Kratos is going to be. Most of his moves will be derivative from his own series, which is fine, but any gameplay elements he brings to the table could have been fulfilled by a new character entirely, a character who (I know I'm a broken record) could have expanded the story and been tournament worthy. I was against new characters because I didn't want to screw with the canon, but it no longer seems worth it at this cost.

And it seems like a waste to create signature moves for a character who will never be in the series again.


Well of course not. Some of the hardcore fans don't give the best input. It's to our benefit they don't weight everyone's thoughts equally.


Are you saying MK can't be successful without Kratos? Cause otherwise, this point is null. The casual sell is the fatalities and single-player modes. We didn't need anything else.


I'm not saying they don't have a right, I'm saying it's artistically a bad decision. As a writer myself, I can't even see this being true. If I let someone review my novel, and they told me, "It's not bad, but it would be better if you put in Kratos..."

I don't know. I might have to hurt him.


Did any of them say, "You know, I wasn't going to buy the new MK, but now that I know Kratos is in, I think I'm gonna dish out the money." I don't think anyone has, and reason being is simple consumer thinking. People already have outlets to embody Kratos. One more isn't gonna make them dish out $59.99. People are going to buy MK because they like MK.

You expressed your opinion well; however, I don't think you quite understand the phrase "keep it to the point".

Its a freakin teaser not a cutscene. People you are NOT forced to choose kratos nor is he involved in the story. He is a guest character nothing more. He cant be in story mode if he is not in the 360 version.

If capcom makes a crossover people rejoice. And if netherrealm studio add a guest character people freak out. No wonder street fighter has a bigger fan base.

We play games for fun. Kratos wont ruin it for you. If you hate him simply buy the 360 version and problem solved. Or just simpley dont choose him.

''A pure MK''

Yea so did anyone else notice in the trailer that Shao Kahn is sitting.. In the Netherrealm? What gives with that? That's Shinnock territory!

It's just the chair from the Kolisseum moved to a place with volcanos.

And it's just a commercial, not even a real arena.

i agree. mk fans on the forums kinda think they have the final say so over the games...same with street fighter hard core fans. and im not saying you guys are wrong BUT hard core fans are always outnumbered. at the end of the day. companies want to see MONEYYYYYY!!!! they dont care about pleasing the HC FAN, because you bring in a small percentage of the profit. I HAVE NOT BOUGHT AN MK GAME SINCE MKD. which means i didnt buy mkvsdc(some of you didnt either) and that still sold GREAT. and thats considered an abomination to hardore mk fans.......hhhhhmmmm????? looks like someone else is buying mk games other than HC FANS.

you guys on mko are more technical and story centered hardcore fans. im more of a hardcore gameplay fan. mk never listens to me about gameplay and about gimmicky mechanics(xray,klose and falling kombat). they just started listening about 2d gameplay..... being a hardcore gameplay fan of mk is the worst thing. lol now you see how i felt all those years dealing with slow broken 3d games.

overall mk9 is back on the right track. its dark, gritty, ICONIC fighters, FATALITIES, FASTER AND 2d GAMEPLAY.......thats the reason why mk was so damn popular WORLD WIDE in the first place......... BECAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE and then the fast simplistic 2d gameplay.

right now GOW is considered the most VIOLENT game and mk once had that title. does kratos fit mk story wise NO!!! BUT BASED OFF VIOLENCE, mk and gow work perfectly. people say that's still not a good enough reason BUT VIOLENCE is the MAIN reason mk SELLS A TON, not the STORY(even though it has one of the better ones) and not GAMEPLAY(even though mk2,3 were decent).

you wonder why mkda, mkd, mka, and mkvsdc still sold good BECAUSE THEY HAD VIOLENCE. PEOPLE DONT PLAY MK FOR GAMEPLAY!!!!!! and only hardcore fans really know the STORY......even mkvsdc was violent and people couldnt wait to kill superman and it had a shit STORY, so did mka......

the word for the day is VILOENCEEEEE lol alright thats enough......

I'm starting to think Kratos is a bit of a gaming slut...

I mean, just look at all the games outside of his own franchise he's been in recently.

Kratos gets down and dirty in Soul Calbur. According to creator David Jaffe, he "totally f***ed the s*** out of Ivy and Taki."


Not only has Kratos used more 9-irons to f**** the s*** out of more par 2 holes, he's also f***ed more women than Tiger Woods ever did!


Bah! Adorable cuteness will not be tolerated. Cute, adorable sackboy Kratos will make you smile... and then fornicate with your skull!


Silly Springfield! Even your universe of tired jokes and yellow skin has no affect on Kratos, for he has no sense of humor and his skin is as pale white as a Warcraft player's flesh!


Wretched mortals! You think you can confine Kratos to a silly go-cart racer? Did it work for Motor Kombat in Armageddon? Kratos will f*** the f***ing f*** out of your f***ing f** f***er f***s and then then f*** that f***ing blue shell the f***ing f*** with a goddamn pig!


When Kratos wants to quench his thirst for blood, the only thing that will do the job is a big, giant, cold slurpee...
... bear in mind, the slurpee is made from the blood of his enemies, the bones of small woodland creatures, the tears of angels, the powder of ground-up babies, and the distilled essence of pure, unfettered, burning rage. With a shot of strawberry.

I'm starting to think he got some mental problems.

Garlador is too damn funny.

im sure you wouldnt feel that way if YOUR POSTER BOY MK CHARACTER was getting that attention.............. of course you will deny it, lol

Awesome freakin trailer the cinematic was sweet as hell and Kratos in is awesome I don't know what everyones deal is.

It's an extra character for fun and he seems like a fun person to play as in a fightin game.

Whats next? Kratos-themed condoms?

All that "Kratos is taking up developement time that could have been used on another MK character" talk is purely conjecture, and complaining about your own speculation is kinda rediculous guys. It's what Glenn Beck does.

Look guys, he's in the game, deal with it and move on, if you have a 360 you'll probably get you're own character, if you don't oh well, PS3's getting 3D too and you aren't it's the same deal.

I for one am excited for this, I doubt I'll play him much, but he'll be a fun novelty.

A "pure MK" are you serious? give me a break. The entire series only exists because they lost the license to a Jean Claude Van Damme flick.

Also this = exposure, and if MK is going to reassert itself as a premier fighting game it's going to need as many eyes looking at it as possible. So if they have to pull a stunt like this I say more power to them.

The sky is NOT falling

Why not? They did that with KISS before.

If you notice too kahn is wearing the armor some people didn't like,but back to the discussion. I am simply happy that there is still a mortal kombat around. There is no pleasing everybody. To me whether kratos is in or not its still going to be a great game. All this talk about him taking a spot seems strange. boon did say some characters would not make the cut. its intended. blaming it on a guest characters seems far fetched. guest characters are exactly as the name implies, a guest. ~Crow~ said it well, you wouldn't make a member of your family leave their seat from the table for a guest, you get another one.

Did you know every time you say his name a Socialist cries?

Or, um...is that Glenn Beck I'm thinking of?

You have to excuse me for being confused, I just love my country so much- *chokes up*