In case no one had this one yet then...


Goro VS Gods (Elder Gods included)
Kintaro
Moloch
Onaga
Blaze (MKA)
Shao Kahn (MKSM)


I say the Gods.

I say the bosses. Why? Shao Kahn is in there.

The Gods would just blink and all of their enemies would just be whisked away to the Netherrealm.

lol, not only favored but more powerful Kenshi is cool though

On this battle, Raiden for sure unless he's fighting Kahn in OW where Kahn would kick Raiden's ass all over the place. So, Raiden.

I think Raiden as well. But, is he really limited to power in Outworld? Or is that just something that the movies through in?

Ok here's a fresh one that goes outside of the MK universe...

This one is really complicated and an ongoing argument amongst me and my friends... here it is

THINK THIS THROUGH BEFORE YOU POST!

The Super Sayains GOKU AND VEGETA


VS

The Amazing Duo and Martial Arts Masters RYU AND KEN



I am a firm believer that Ryu and Ken would win this fight. And here's why...

Ok, ryu and ken come from a "controlled universe and environment," a video game. Believe it or not, but there ARE limits in making a video game and the characters that come with them...however, in an Anime, i feel anything goes. That's why Goku and Vegeta are so powerful...but for these four to fight, they're going to have to fight in a universe. We can't just assume that a new universe will be made for to fight...so we do assume that one team will have "home field advantage." If this is the case...then consider the possibilities. Lets say Goku and Vegeta go to the universe of Ryu and Ken...the Sayins are fucked, not only are their powers toned down, but it takes away their ability to fly. This puts them at a huge disadvantage. However, if Ryu and Ken go to the DBZ universe...oh shit. Ryu and Ken become more powerful than ever before because, obviously in the DBZ universe, anything goes and almost anything is possible.

Another thing, how many episodes did it take Goku to fire 1 Kamahameha or Spirit Bomb? Too many to count. Ryu and Ken don't roll that way, firing Hadokens like it ain't no thang...But if they tap into it too much then it'll trigger the Dark Hado in their systems...basically making then end up like Akuma.

I know what some of you are thinking..."Street Fighter has a few anime's and their powers weren't raised??!?" Well that's true, but we're going off the idea of "home field advantage" and we want both parties to be at full power, and i think the video game versions of Ryu and Ken should apply. The only thing that i'd take from the Street Fighter Animes (they're badass by the way) is the fact that Ryu and Ken are a magnificent team...something that Goku and Vegeta have trouble with from time to time...

All in all i think Ryu and Ken take the cake. It would be a great fight because the sayins are very good...but not Ryu-Ken good.

What do you guys think?

For Bosses against The Gods: The Gods

For Goku/Vegeta Against Ken/Ryu: Ken/Ryu

For Raiden vs. Shao Kahn: Raiden

Movie bs. Raiden doesn't loose or decrease in power on other realms according to the cannon.

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Raiden can kick Onagas ass w/o the Kamidogu iMo. But, especially on Earthrealm where he has the presence of domain. Earth is his domain, (admittedly, supposedly and assumed) ordained by the Elder Gods of the universe....Which are assumed the ultimate power just beneath the One Being.

Kahn is simply the tyrant, and Onaga is simply a ruler of a realm that had been toppled by his disciple at one point, the tyrant Shao Kahn. Truth be told, there hasn't ever been clarification that Onaga was a "bad guy" on his realm before Shao Kahn interrupted that establishment. No matter though, Kahn didn't inherit any real power from toppling Onaga so long ago. He just got rid of the current leader; Onaga.

I have to say that's my opinion on the situation between the three, but in the cannon there is no prohibition of Raidens power anywhere, and no super session on Onaga or Shao Kahns powers to Raidens with out some assistance. (they don't beat Raiden without something to help them..in other words) - - Onaga and the kamidogu or the un-dead army, Shao Kahn with his conquered worlds, or his army...nothing makes Shao Kahn "more powerful than Raiden as a god though...it's just Shao Kahn with an army and some conquered realms...however, Onaga with the Kamidogu is a disputable issue. Other than that, he's just Onaga with a suppos-ed "un-defeatable army"

Stand alone Raiden just...is God. Therefor, with no real clarification otherwise, they are mortals in comparison and are lesser in degree of a lasting life-form. They will cease to exist without Raiden ceasing to exist ever, and they were not present before Raiden , because Raiden has never been non-existent.

iMo, they wouldn't make sense to compare in age...which wouldn't make sense to compare in experience....Which then, wouldn't make sense to compare in martial arts experience, which wouldn't make sense for them to out smart or simply best Raiden in a fight one on one. They would both loose on separate occasions individually fighting Raiden. Which is, again, iMo, what the "fear of the god of thunder and lighting of earth" is all about.

HOWEVER, Both of them together would definitely defeat Raiden though....no matter the location. Same as the two sorcerers did....just more swiftly.

In other words, they are much too powerful at once, than Raiden is a God at once....The Deadly alliance is slimly more powerful than one god, which is why they were able to win a fight against Raiden in a Mortal Kombat contest.
Celestial Raiden vs the Deadly Alliance would see Raiden win by a great margin though....yea, iMo, they are no comparison.

I'm glad you agree with me on Ryu and Ken. They're badass, no match for the Sayins.

Actually, Raiden will lose his power in Outworld in the games too if he stays there too long..., if both realms merge or if he's in OW for too long so it's nor movie or tv show nonsense....MANIA

Just read his MK3 bio dude taken from this site MKO itself and from the game. He can't interfere once OW becomes merged with Earthrealm.


"You have been chosen to represent Earth in Mortal Kombat. Be warned. Although your souls are protected against Shao Kahn's evil; your lives are not. I cannot interfere any longer as your Earth is now ruled by the Outworld Gods.
These are the words of Raiden."

Also, in MK:SM, Raiden CAN'T enter OW. If you play the game and follow the story you'll see MANIA. There is a Raiden in the game in OW "who guides Liu and Kung Lao" but it's not Raiden...it's Shang posing as Raiden. Earth is Raiden's domain, not OW.

I've played MK:SM, i know about what happened in it. All i did was ask a question about Raiden. Why you had to reply to something i asked like that is beyond me. Besides, i always thought it was movie bs just like ThePredator151 said. I always thought he was just a guide for the warriors of Earthrealm, and that he wasn't really allowed to interfere because if he DID interfere...then the Earthrealm warriors would ask him to do everything for them. That's why i asked about the whole Outworld thing...you don't have to attack anyone that asks a question now do you?

I was actually replying to Pred's post but wanted to clarify that it's not"just movie BS" it's fact. I was replying because you umm asked something. Well, that and the fact that Raiden is an immortal God who CAN'T interfere in "Mortal Kombat" so yes he is a guide but he also can't fight unless Earth itself is in danger. And I didn't attack you, you misunderstand I was just pointing out the fact that Raiden not wanting to fight in OW isn't "movie bs" he's clearly said it in the games as well at times.

All right man, that's kool. Sorry i misunderstood. Raiden's back story is pretty complicated lol. A lot of people have given me different feedback and such. It's pretty interesting, i've been a fan of Raiden since MK1...Ermac is by far my favorite though.

That's wrong. So wrong dude aheheh....

MKD's Intro vid is in Outworld. He can both go there, and maintain power there per, the canon. It's whether he chooses to violate an un-clarified rule of a Mortal Kombat contest or not that makes the difference. By MKDs' intro, the deadly alliance had violated the rules. So, Raiden then violated the rules in defense of earth.....No, his powers do not wain, or fade, or anything of the like per, never being clarified as such in the canon.

Only in the movies does Raiden say his powers do so.

The point you're making only clarifies his jurisdiction. Doesn't mean anything other than "He is//was the presiding God over Earthrealm". Never says "he can't go to Outworld, or that he won't maintain full power(for that matter) in any other realm. He isn't limited in such a way, per the canon.

Don't believe that?....Go get the script(and actually read it), or watch the movies again, and compare it with anything having to do with Raiden in the games.

It's Movie non-canon information. aka "Movie bs".

Jade (Mortal Kombat) v. Chun Li (Street Fighter)

go!

Once again i agree with you. That was always my understanding as well...

No, that's wrong man. You're misunderstanding me a little here.

Speaking as how it's from Midway, it's correct knowledge actually. I quoted MK3 itself man lol I didn't just make that up, so it's very much canon. Otherwise Raiden would have interfered and competed in MK3/UMK3 which he didn't.

I never said Raiden "can't fight in other realms" he'll just lose his power eventually in OW. Of course he can go into OW or any realm, but unless it's Earthrealm nobody can guarantee his "devine power" as if he's in Earthrealm.

Otherwise he would have fought in MK3....yet, decided to fight in MK:D when things were going "nuts" so he felt he was defending Earthrealm...

Granted, in the movies and TV show they make it seem like he's "utterly allergic to OW" but there's also no doubt about it in the games he doesn't like going there, so that kind of hints at him not liking OW for good reason.

No need to read the script, I've memorized both movies by now.

@MANIA, it's ok dude np man. Yeah, he has had some rather "odd" background at times.

^^ = Jurisdiction based on unclarified rules of Mortal Kombat. Raiden abided by them then, violated them in MKD's intro.

All that other shit you're saying is irrelevant to the point.



1. Yep, you're right, it is "correct knowledge" of the games' content, you just have the context of that information incorrect. You used an incorrect source to make your point. So yea, it's cannon information, it's just the wrong canon information to solidify your point. Which is what's making you wrong here. heh..

It's also not such a one dimensional perception as you have it. Referring to your "otherwise" statement. Another possible prohibition from interfering, would be that there are active rules surrounding the contest of Mortal Kombat at the time that he does not want to violate, for reasons of "upolding an integrity, or law, or what have you that the Elder Gods may have had in place. Not hard to fathom, not hard to comprehend either....for instance.

Raiden's story is one of the ones that hasn't really been tampered with much as far as retcons and such, so I don't see what the confusion is for you. It is alot of information to consider because he's involved with just about every game, but even then, it's pretty cut and dry.

2. No he won't loose his powers at all on any other realm, including Outworld. You'll have to go get it, and show it to me, where it says "I loose my powers on Outworld". OR..."Raiden looses his powers on Outworld".

You will not find it anywhere in the games' canon information..anywhere. You will find it in the movies non-canon information.

His divine power is not clarified anywhere either, nor is his jurisdiction. Anywhere.
So, what you're saying is speculation. You should clarify that is such, so that people don't mis-read you.

Your speculation is a false fact of an old perception of this information. I used to believe the same thing until I learned better, and could understand more complex conceptual thinking.

3. I don't think he doesn't like going to Outworld, I think that for these games, he's wants to abide by a creed that says that the Gods do not want to, or need to interfere with mortal affairs.

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--(btw, MKF, this is pretty obvious "black and white" stuff if you follow this character. So excuse me if I do not care to continue paying you attention. It's either right or wrong on this particular issue. Concede, claim the middle ground again[that whole, "agree to disagree" thing you do], or whatever. I don't care..)

Well...it kind of is speaking as how you took something I said earlier wrong, but if you wish to skip over it. Fine by me, but you miss certain points that way.

lol, I'm not wrong in the point I made since MANIA understood it....you're missing the point. Raiden either way (at the time of MK3 anyway) obviously Midway had him "anti-OW" thus he didn't and couldn't fight. As he even quoted himself, so I'm not wrong. I quoted the game itself as proof to you this way you didn't say "I'm making this up out of nowhere" because obviously I'm not. You're misunderstanding me totally...but you are seeing some of it at least.

It's not really confusing, more boarderline contradictory...In MK3 the rules were broken as well, yet Raiden DIDN'T intervene..yet for some reason in MKD he decides too? ok then. Granted, I know Midway is writing it but still from Raiden's point of view it screams one of the following A. Afraid to fight, B. afraid of breaking the rules even though Kahn did or C. He's not nearly as powerful in OW....and nobody can deny this.

It's fine to disagree, but one more point here in MK:SM which is canon(despite some differences from MK2) that was in MK2's era of storyline in which he also didn't enter OW....he says at one point in the game he can't follow and tells Liu and Kung Lao you have to fight, yet only pops up at the end....he doesn't fight however.

But yeah, let's just agree to disagree here lol

right this 1's big


ryu hayabusa






onaga

ryu would win because he would jump around and crazy ninja stuff because hes much faster than onaga

Compared to what Ryu Haybusa defeated, Onaga is nothing.


VS.

Boomstick>Drahmin

Gotta love that thing...and his chainsaw hand...But yeah, Ash can kick Drahmin's ass without even trying.