Do you want to see ugly bastards, who were mistaken for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Nobody? Well, you will anyway.






How you can redesign them to make them that UGLY? I mean, there should be a middle ground between "sewer abominations" and "sympathetic heroes". Well, sadly Bay is not the man who can find it. Don looks the most adequate of them. Mike looks the most horrible.

Also, there was a new trailer released, but because marketing team of the movie, seemingly consist from lobotomized monkeys, it was deleted from official channel of the project.

I like the designs. There really isn't much I would change about them honestly. They are supposed to be ugly sewer abominations because they are mutations. They SHOULDN'T look, as you put it "adequate". And being a "sympathetic hero" has zero to do with how they look, that comes from their actions and personalities, which the new trailer shows more of, and from what I can see, the movie certainly nailed that.

I personally think that there is supposed to be a fine line between outright uglyness (TURTLELIPS anyone?) and kawainess. The thing is, it's completely possible to make them look uncanny without transforming them into hulk-like Shreks.

They clearly weren't going for uncanny. They were going for a messy humanoid/turtle mutation, and these designs are a sensible of what that could look like as any other.

I see messy. But where is sensible?

I really don't think they look all that bad. My only real complaint is the over "personalize-ation" of them to make them each more unique. I don't think they needed it, but I think it can be overlooked at the same time.

Maybe it's just me, because I happened to like Bay's Transformers, but I think the new TNMT movie looks good and I'm willing to give it a chance.

It seems like the majority of the internet is dumping on the movie as a whole, mostly because of Donny's goggles.

On the whole I just think of it as unnecessary and I wont be in any rush to watch the movies.

From what I'm reading up on, Bay's involvement extends to providing some initial conceptual input, and the use of his production studio. That's it.

The reason his name is slapped all over the trailers is because his name SELLS. He's not calling the shots in this film.

Of course, that won't quell the Bay-haters, and they'll still find someone way to blame this for "ruining their childhood", like they always do. It's fashionable and trendy to do so.

Oh, anyone else happen to notice that, apparently, Shredder *isn't* William Fichtner? "We're taking your armor to the next level"

Will's character is supposedly helping develop and improve Shredder's actual suit.

Of course you didn't bother mentioning that. I also didn't hear any mention of the line in the trailer about how them being aliens would be "stupid", as if the whole "alien turtles" concept might have actually been a ruse to see how reaction would be.

Gotta keep that Bay-hate to the maximum, right?

*facepalm*

In the latest trailer, Will Arnett's character also says "robot samurai" , which leads me to believe it it won't actually be Oroku Saki that they are fighting, but Cyber Shredder instead.

Yes, we'll do. It's not like there is a need for long and tiresome search. Everything about TMNT movie screams Michael "Moderation? What moderation?" Bay, from excessive stupid overdesigned Hulklings, mistakingly confused for Ninja Turtles, to the cinematography, which pretty much repeats Tranformers movies.
It has nothing to do with fashion or trends, he objectivelly made (or approved) some odd and outright bad decisions in the past and in this project. So, naturally - he is the one to blame.

As for William Fichtner not being Shredder, it's too early to count your chickens. Shadowy figure could be a ruse. And besides, from marketing standpoint it doesn't make sense - to anger already angered and confused customers by hiding such principal character, causing additional controversy.


Yeah, yeah. And Bay words were fake and leaked script, which was made by the same writer as the one used in the finished movie, was fake...
More like, Platinum Dunes made jab at themselves, admitting their own mistake / stupidity, which is one of few things that I liked about this project so far.

But you'll find another reason why this movie gonna be awesome and why Bay has nothing to do with its flaws. Gonna keep this ass-kissing to the maximum, I guess.

Like I said...any excuse (rational or not) to hate on Bay.

There was, at some point, a press release or rumor or something that revealed Fichtner's character, Eric Sachs, is the adopted son of Oroku Saki. (I believe you'll find I already posted that news on the first page back in March)

The trailers of course also reveal him as the head of the TGRI (TCRI? I can never remember which one's correct) ooze project.

I'm predicting that Fichtner DOES wear the mecha Shredder armor in this movie and Saki doesn't actually fight anybody as the real Shredder until the inevitable sequel.
I'd also like to say that the Bay-ness of the more recent trailer seems extremely toned down to my eyes, compared to what I think we all expected. By which, I mean it looks like the only thing that explodes or does damage to the city is that falling antenna, as opposed to in Transformers where every third shot is a car or building blowing up. Honestly, the beginning of the trailer where they're talking a lot but staying in the shadows and fight in the subway tunnel reminded me a lot of the original 1990 film, which is about the highest praise I can give something TMNT-related. The Turtles' designs are still too tall and kinda ugly, granted, but it actually does look a lot better put together than a Transformers movie, like, I actually get the impression the movie will be ABOUT the turtles as opposed to about a bunch of unimportant human "comedy relief" running around in a panic acting "wacky" with occasional glimpses of personality-devoid turtle NPCs fighting in the background.

I think if anything, the newest trailer shows that they at least captured who the turtles are supposed to be in terms of character. Whether or not you like the looks (I personally do, I think it feeds into the characters, and I like to see where the money is going) their personalities seem to be spot on. For a series that has such wild variations in tone from the different cartoons to the comics, that above all else tends to be what I look for when it comes to the turtles.

I have a bit of a problem with a NINJA turtle being so heavy that when he jumps onto a ledge, it fuckin' cracks and crumbles like he's a giant robot or something...but the weird faces are growing on me. I want to say they may have made the noses way less prominent between trailer releases though.
Although, that's coming from a guy who really liked the Out of the Shadows game, when everyone else in the world was saying they looked ugly in that, well before the movie trailers came out and showed us a new level of ugly.

I always had problems with "ninjas" flying blimps and riding around on skateboards that shot pizzas.

SH'UP

Really, I think this adaptation is a bit harder for people, like me, who have a sentimental attachment to the 90s movies and the 87 turtles. Not to say that people who were also fans of the new stuff can't dislike the way the turtles look in this, but I think it's a different class of dislike. There's a sense of frustration that these will be the first "live action" (can CGI be live action?) turtles that a lot of kids will meet. That these kids will forgive the flaws in this movie, the same way we forgave flaws in the 90s live action movies (that weird ass way Dontatello drinks through a straw). It's just a sense that these turtles, that are inferior by certain peoples standards, will BE the Ninja Turtles and their flaws and problems accepted by a new era of fans.



Ok, now that was just unacceptable across the board.


Anywho, I'm not happy about the film, but I know why. My Nostalgia goggles will blind me even if, by some miracle, the movie is good.

Not unlike how the cartoon TMNT deviated from the Eastman and Laird originals to become the ones people remember most.

Like I have witnessed time and time again some people going to use any excuse to protect this questionable project.

And bringing 80-s cartoon in discussion is a bad decision - there was nothing to compare it to, unlike nowadays, when TMNT have 30 years of history under their belts.

I'm personally kinda "meh" on the film, but people just have misplaced hatred over it. It's not the "product" so much as personal character assassination over Bay in ANYTHING he's remotely associated with, as if it's all his fault.

As for 30 years of history and people bringing up an 80s cartoon...that's exactly what happened with Transformers. There was nothing else like that, either.

The thing is that the project had such poor publicity at the start, with the leaked script about them being aliens and Casey Jones having a role as basically Sam Witwicky all over again, that people already have their shields up and expect the movie to be awful right away.

And there are absolutely objectionable things about what we're ACTUALLY seeing so far...it's true that Megan Fox is terrible at acting and doesn't really fit the part of the April O'Neill character. It's true that the Turtle noses and lips look creepy and the CGI is stuck in "Uncanny Valley" territory and how tall and heavy they are seems counter-intuitive to the whole "ninja" thing, as does all the weird tech that's apparently somehow glued to Donatello's head and shell and won't fall off if he does a flip.

But there are ALSO unreasonable arguments going on. Bay is just a producer, he's not actually making this movie, he's just paying for it. He MIGHT be responsible for Fox being cast, but that seems to be about the extent of it.

As I said before, the most recent trailer would seem to reveal that the plot resembles the 1990 movie quite a bit more than anyone could've expected and the flaws that make the Transformers movies awful don't seem to be so readily apparent. The turtles are actual characters with big speaking roles, nobody seems to be a racial stereotype, the cast isn't mostly made up of obnoxious human actors doing comedy relief (Well, Michelangelo will obviously be obnoxious comedy relief, but he's SUPPOSED to be. So far, he even seems more witty and less retarded than the current Nickelodeon cartoon version, so there's that...), and very little even explodes or trashes a city! We're not seeing your typical blockbuster TF/Godzilla/Man of Steel levels of wrecked buildings and firey plumes rising here.

Hopefully it also won't be dragged out to 3 hours making the 3rd act boring as fuck either.

I know I have a heart, because it's breaking

Kids react to the 1987 Turtles

Comic-Con Exclusive: Michael Bay Gives Fans Sneak Peek At Ninja Turtles’ Hyper-Realistic CGI Genitals
Looks like general hatred for this movie is quite strong.

- TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES | Knock Knock Music Trailer

What do TMNT and Mortal Kombat X have in common? Wiz Khalifa!

That is the nature of everything. Nothing is eternal or forever enduring.

And quite frankly the show was stupid, goffy stupid but still stupid.


And the original source material was waaaayyy too dark to put on a cartoon slot.