Face it. RAW and SD are both in ruts right now. Sure, we get some good matches and storylines once in awhile, but they are few and far between. THEY NEED COMPETITION! IMO, this will not get better, unless the WWE get competition, or unless Vince liquidates the creative staff, and brings in fresh idea makers. BTW, I used to be on board with Eugene, but I do agree that he is being used too much.

Well i think every singel person on this site has replyed to this thread, well at least once. Iam replying for the first time on Page.61....wow i sure feel specail.

Afghanblade Wrote: Well i think every singel person on this site has replyed to this thread, well at least once. Iam replying for the first time on Page.61....wow i sure feel specail.

Yeah, thats real special.

I don't care that the WWE released Rikishi. he sucked as a wrestler, was pretty boring and had the same damn act in like forever.

Its good that the WWE are finally releasing all the crap wrestlers now like Scott Steiner and Rikishi. hell, test might be going to.

Anyways, I thought that Cage match on SmackDown! was pretty tight. good to see Angle out of wheel chair now.

I don't get it, Olympic Hero. Do you like Kane or Kurt angle better?

maninthebox Wrote: I don't get it, Olympic Hero. Do you like Kane or Kurt angle better?

I like them both.

olympic_Hero Wrote: maninthebox Wrote: I don't get it, Olympic Hero. Do you like Kane or Kurt angle better? I like them both.

Lol. That little convo reminded me of when Kurt called himself the Big Red,White,and Blue Machine.

maninthebox, I can't wait to see the stats list you put together. Making sure that all the stats are correct of course. BTW, you should include real names, just a suggestion. Oh, and about Rikishi, WWE.com has yet to officially acknowledge the firing.
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Official WWE Raw Preview For Tonight: Eugene, HHH, Diva's & More:
Thanks to WWE.com for the following:

Last Thursday night, over 25 of the world's most beautiful women competed for just 10 spots in the finals of the $250,000 RAW Diva Search. RAW Superstars Triple H, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and Edge made the decision. Tonight, you make the decision. Watch RAW, as all 10 girls strut their stuff for you, the fans. Then decide which girl hits the bricks.

On Monday Night RAW last week, Eugene thought he had captured the World Heavyweight Championship. Then, during his post-match celebration, he thought his new "friends" Evolution were coming down to celebrate with him. Little did he know that the faction was coming to tear him apart. Led by Triple H, Evolution decimated Eugene, leaving him a bloody mess. What will happen next in the Eugene/Evolution saga? Tune in to RAW to find out (9/8 CT on Spike TV).


Ultimo Dragon Returning Without Mask:

Ultimo Dragon will be returning to World Wrestling Entertainment in November of this year. Upon his return, he will be wrestling without his mask, working as under his real name.


Bret Hart Meeting With McMahon Today; Details:

From what I've heard, Bret Hart will be meeting with Shane McMahon at some point today.

The meeting will be held so that the two sides can agree on terms for the upcoming Bret Hart DVD that WWE will be producing later this year.


Akio & Sakoda have both been sent back to OVW

Test, who is set to undergo neck surgery shortly, was on his way out of WWE. He was due to be released but as WWE don't release anyone whilst they are injured as a way of policy, he survives for now at least.


The Undertaker To End JBL's Reign?, Guerrero Update; More:

Many are questioning why Eddie Guerrero did not work safer matches this week when he knew he had a sore hamstring. The move being looked at the most is his frogsplash off the top of the cage on Smackdown. John Bradshaw Layfield ended up kicking out of the move, which made many wonder if the risk was worth it.

Word backstage is that The Undertaker will be the one to end John Bradshaw Layfield's WWE Title reign. It’s not known when this may happen, however I know WWE plan on having JBL as a long-term champion. So don’t count on this title change happening anytime soon.

Billy Gunn has been hinting to those close to him that he may be leaving WWE and work for TNA and the indy scene. The aim is for him to do what Raven did when leaving WWE, and making the same amounts of money for working shows.

Even though many doubt the in-ring capabilities of Kenzo Suzuki, WWE officials are still backing him.

A reminder: CHICKS DIG IT BIG!!!!!

TheMkGeek Wrote: maninthebox, I can't wait to see the stats list you put together. Making sure that all the stats are correct of course. BTW, you should include real names, just a suggestion. Oh, and about Rikishi, WWE.com has yet to officially acknowledge the firing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Official WWE Raw Preview For Tonight: Eugene, HHH, Diva's & More: Thanks to WWE.com for the following: Last Thursday night, over 25 of the world's most beautiful women competed for just 10 spots in the finals of the $250,000 RAW Diva Search. RAW Superstars Triple H, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and Edge made the decision. Tonight, you make the decision. Watch RAW, as all 10 girls strut their stuff for you, the fans. Then decide which girl hits the bricks. On Monday Night RAW last week, Eugene thought he had captured the World Heavyweight Championship. Then, during his post-match celebration, he thought his new "friends" Evolution were coming down to celebrate with him. Little did he know that the faction was coming to tear him apart. Led by Triple H, Evolution decimated Eugene, leaving him a bloody mess. What will happen next in the Eugene/Evolution saga? Tune in to RAW to find out (9/8 CT on Spike TV). Ultimo Dragon Returning Without Mask: Ultimo Dragon will be returning to World Wrestling Entertainment in November of this year. Upon his return, he will be wrestling without his mask, working as under his real name. Bret Hart Meeting With McMahon Today; Details: From what I've heard, Bret Hart will be meeting with Shane McMahon at some point today. The meeting will be held so that the two sides can agree on terms for the upcoming Bret Hart DVD that WWE will be producing later this year. Akio & Sakoda have both been sent back to OVW Test, who is set to undergo neck surgery shortly, was on his way out of WWE. He was due to be released but as WWE don't release anyone whilst they are injured as a way of policy, he survives for now at least. The Undertaker To End JBL's Reign?, Guerrero Update; More: Many are questioning why Eddie Guerrero did not work safer matches this week when he knew he had a sore hamstring. The move being looked at the most is his frogsplash off the top of the cage on Smackdown. John Bradshaw Layfield ended up kicking out of the move, which made many wonder if the risk was worth it. Word backstage is that The Undertaker will be the one to end John Bradshaw Layfield's WWE Title reign. It’s not known when this may happen, however I know WWE plan on having JBL as a long-term champion. So don’t count on this title change happening anytime soon. Billy Gunn has been hinting to those close to him that he may be leaving WWE and work for TNA and the indy scene. The aim is for him to do what Raven did when leaving WWE, and making the same amounts of money for working shows. Even though many doubt the in-ring capabilities of Kenzo Suzuki, WWE officials are still backing him.

Yeah, I never thought of putting the real names of the wrestlers in, but it sounds like a good idea. Anyway, I am going to make an expansion tonight and will probably include the real names.But I am having some trouble becuase most people I show the list to disagree with some of the stats, especially the Rocks, big shows, kurt angles, undertakers, and Andre the Giants. And I just don't know what to list. Got any suggestions? And thanks for the support.If you have any you could add or verify the ones already listed or improve it with more accurate stats, please do.Oh, and thanks for the news updates, where do you get your news from, anyway? I get mine from Wrestling Inc.

maninthebox Wrote: Yeah, I never thought of putting the real names of the wrestlers in, but it sounds like a good idea. Anyway, I am going to make an expansion tonight and will probably include the real names.But I am having some trouble becuase most people I show the list to disagree with some of the stats, especially the Rocks, big shows, kurt angles, undertakers, and Andre the Giants. And I just don't know what to list. Got any suggestions? And thanks for the support.If you have any you could add or verify the ones already listed or improve it with more accurate stats, please do.Oh, and thanks for the news updates, where do you get your news from, anyway? I get mine from Wrestling Inc.

When you compile your list I'll look it over and I got a friend I'll show it to also and we'll both verify everything.

I get my news from 3 different site: www.twnpnews.com, www.steveswrestling.com, and www.sescoops.com.

Trish is looking hotter and hotter every week. That Street Fighter outfit was hot.

Rosie sucks.


I LOVE STACY

When did Rosie graduate from a S.H.I.T? thats cool. I like his costume kinda.

Its almost 10 pm over here and i sat through about 50 minutes of garbage.I thought tonight i could make it through raw i was wrong i got this sick feeling in my stomach from watching it.I been watching wrestling for about 11 years.I am ashamed of what it has become.The diva search thing with y2j is what has broke the camels back.I noticed something when watching it when y2j was asking the whores what there name was and where there from.Not only did the crowd boo them.I myself had this wierd experience in my head.Seeing the diva seach icon on the screen and watching y2j ask them questions.In my head i was like what the hell is going on where is wrestling what is this shit.I felt like i was watching a Michael Moore documentary and they where making fun of it and saying what happened to this company what went wrong who's writing this filth all i can say is i think iv had enough of wwe's games and how shitty they treat the fans by announcing big matches then saying its next week yuck.Being a wrestling fan for years now i realised this is to much.Without a question of doubt this is the Dark ages of wrestling.Somebody ends this crap pleaseee.

Regal going to the ring and beating up on HHH was really cool. But everything else so far is putting me to sleep.

z:o z:o z:o


I'm Ghost.

TheMkGeek Wrote: maninthebox Wrote: Yeah, I never thought of putting the real names of the wrestlers in, but it sounds like a good idea. Anyway, I am going to make an expansion tonight and will probably include the real names.But I am having some trouble becuase most people I show the list to disagree with some of the stats, especially the Rocks, big shows, kurt angles, undertakers, and Andre the Giants. And I just don't know what to list. Got any suggestions? And thanks for the support.If you have any you could add or verify the ones already listed or improve it with more accurate stats, please do.Oh, and thanks for the news updates, where do you get your news from, anyway? I get mine from Wrestling Inc. When you compile your list I'll look it over and I got a friend I'll show it to also and we'll both verify everything. I get my news from 3 different site: www.twnpnews.com, www.steveswrestling.com, and www.sescoops.com.

Cool, thanks. And I missed Raw tonight, but from what I heard it sucked, so maybe it wasn't that bad that I missed it. Oh, and here are a few stats off the top of my head:

chavo guerro jr 5'10 198lbs.
Eddie guerro 5'8 220lbs.
Randy Orton 6'5 265lbs.
Bill Goldberg 6'3 1/2 283lbs.
batista 6'5 315lbs.
Rhyno 5'10 275lbs.
raven 6'1 242lbs.
Edge 6'3 242lbs.
Rey mysterio jr 5'3 163lbs.
matt hardy 6'1 213lbs
perry saturn 5'10 250lbs.
sean o haire 6'6 274lbs.
A - Train 6'5 350lbs.
bradshaw 6'5 290lbs.

I'll add some of the real names later, 'cause I'm tired as hell man. Once again, thanks for the support and I'll try and have it done soon. On a side note, does anyone know how much jeff hardy weights, I know they once billed him as 220lbs., but thas bullshit. Also, is he the same height or shorter than his brother? Thanks.

Can anyone who watched Raw tell me what Rosey's new costume look like?

anyways, I find it extreamly stupid that the WWE would give away the Triple H/Benoit Iron-Man match on free TV next week rather than having it at Summerslam. how fuckin stupid is that? not only that, they gave away Orton Vs Edge II when it would been logical to have it at Summerslam aswell. So, the only matches Raw will have at summerslam are nonthing but worned out Re-matches. Just like every PPV they've had so far.
Summerslam isn't looking to good right now.

olympic_Hero Wrote: Can anyone who watched Raw tell me what Rosey's new costume look like? anyways, I find it extreamly stupid that the WWE would give away the Triple H/Benoit Iron-Man match on free TV next week rather than having it at Summerslam. how fuckin stupid is that? not only that, they gave away Orton Vs Edge II when it would been logical to have it at Summerslam aswell. So, the only matches Raw will have at summerslam are nonthing but worned out Re-matches. Just like every PPV they've had so far. Summerslam isn't looking to good right now.

Here is a link with some photos. There are also some on the page before, but that one gave the clearest view.BTW, I missed RAW to, but you know the sad thing is that his costume was considered the highlight of the night, and they had a dozen divas to work with, among other things! Anyway, I hope the pics help, and your right, they are really fucking up right now.

olympic_Hero Wrote: Can anyone who watched Raw tell me what Rosey's new costume look like? anyways, I find it extreamly stupid that the WWE would give away the Triple H/Benoit Iron-Man match on free TV next week rather than having it at Summerslam. how fuckin stupid is that? not only that, they gave away Orton Vs Edge II when it would been logical to have it at Summerslam aswell. So, the only matches Raw will have at summerslam are nonthing but worned out Re-matches. Just like every PPV they've had so far. Summerslam isn't looking to good right now.

Here is a link with some photos
http://www.insiderwrestling.com/images/raw071904/index23.shtml
There are also some on the page before, but that one gave the clearest view.BTW, I missed RAW to, but you know the sad thing is that his costume was considered the highlight of the night, and they had a dozen divas to work with, among other things! Anyway, I hope the pics help, and your right, they are really fucking up right now.

RAW was alright. The diva thing is blatant sex appeal and commercialism. The Kne/Jericho match was good. THe Edge/Ortan match was good too, but like olympic_Hero said, it should have been saved for Summerslam. And although the Iron Man match should be entertaining, I also think having this match before Summerslam is another mistake. Hopefully SS will surprise us with some good matches.

Did anyone else notice that Batista got the biggest pop tonight? I'd like to see him get a push for the IC title.

Heres one thing that is pissing me off, ever since Batista came into the WWE they have changed his weight, tonight it was 318, last week it was 315, the week before it was 290, it changes every week but they wanna make him look like hes over 300 to appeal to his muscular build... well i hate to break it to them but theres no way he is over 300, I myself am a bodybuilder along with my best friend and some others, and Batista just doesnt have the size to be over 300, he looks more like a 285...

Batista as Intercontinental Champion would be awesome. sence they already did Orton/Edge II. they should have Edge Vs Batista for the IC title at Summerslam with Batista going over.


Another thing about the Iron Man match. Another reason its a mistake is the commericals. Remember the Lesnar/Angle 60-min Ironman match on SmackDown! last year? there were like freakin 5 commericals which ruined the flow of the match(it was still a kick ass match). they better damn well have a damn good Raw main-event for Summerslam.

Batista = Godly. Though, is it just me or does he make just a "blah" kind of heel? Like, he's such a bad ass, it doesn't even matter. Doesn't come off as a heel to me, but meh.

The one thing that really pissed me off tonight was the Bisch/Diva shit. I get sooo tired of the be-littlement of the women in WWE. Sends a real posative message to children. -_- It's disgusting.

Enjoyed orton/edge, especially the promo, lol. Orton got pwned hardcore . I want Eugene back already, though.

so is eugene fired? or did he go back to ohio valley or something

oh well i guess eugene will go for presidence now hey lol

btw i went looking for ohio vallay site and i found this http://www.ovwrestling.com/ eugene looks better in ohio vallay picture but then so does merdacei