Yeah, i've been chanting "turn taker heel" for a while now, but as Zent said, the man is just TOO over. Hell, even in his American badass days, he couldn't get heat to save his life, and that's after shoving Raw's "then" golden boy(that would be JR) up vinces ass. Not to mention covering his best friend in cement(he was forgiven by fans inside of a week!). If nothing else man, move him to another show, do something. It seems like he's fighting the same old battles, then they'll throw a curveball opponent in for wrestlemania(these days it's bigger names to legitimize the streak a bit more...they can't all be Kane).

It would be very challenging to turn Taker heel, but it could be done. It would take something incredibly vile and sadistic... something a bit more than just destroying a few faces(absolutly cannot involve John Cena in anyway, that would just put him over even more).

at this point why the hell would they even bother to turn him heel with such more effective heels like Edge, and Jericho on Smackdown? plus this late in his career it would make no sense at all just to all of a sudden turn him heel, just let him finish off as a face.

Then he'll finish his career in mediocrity. There's just nothing left for him to do as a face. I think he could get over as a heel. Sure he's a big face but just let him do the heel turn on a even bigger face like Jeff Hardy, Batista or Cena. That will help out a lot I think. As someone stated, he really needed to be moved to RAW. I realize he likes to take time off and he really has to due to the condition he's in now, but it's just not as magical or exciting to see him come out these days.

well, i guess we'll have to see what the "creative geniuoses" at WWE will do with Ole Taker. i do admit i like your thinking

Well yeah, then he'll finish his career just doing the same old thing. The same old thing that still gets massive pops and many times the best reactions of the night.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
And it's not like he really has that much to do as a heel anyway.
Besides, with Taker you just don't know anymore- what if he gets injured tomorrow and his career is over? He'll just finish it as a heel? I don't think he wants that.
Also, he'd have to completely change his moveset. EVERYBODY pops hard as hell when Taker does the jumping DDT, Old school, the Dive to the Outside, Chokeslam, Tombstone etc.
People won't buy him as a heel. As long as they want Taker to be face, he'll stay face.
The one thing I do think they should do is move him to RAW. To me, it makes NO sense to have him on Smackdown!, the taped show, when his whole thing is based on surprises and appearing out of nowhere.
One last thing...
Hardy, Batista and Cena? BIGGER faces than Taker? You're dead wrong on that one. That's the point.

Why are you acting like Taker is the most over face when he isn't? I'm not the one who is wrong here. Jeff gets louder pops, he just does. Batista maybe not, okay, but Cena sells more merchandise than anyone. He's the bigger face when it comes to kids and women, and that's a large majority of crowds these days. I agree he'd have to abandon some of his moveset, but not all of it. Taker was a heel at one time and I think he was pretty effective. Remember when Maven eliminated him from the Royal Rumble several years ago? They gave Maven a huge pop, and if that isn't an over heel I don't know what is.

Dude that was over 7 years ago! He had a much different gimmick. He wasn't as over as the American Badass as he was as the Deadman(though he was still majorly over), but he was able to be a more formidable heel as the American Badass. Hell did you watch the 2004 Royal Rumble? Undertakers gong had one of the biggest pops I've ever heard in my life. Just a freakin gong. It was proof that everyone missed him being the Deadman. Then when he returned at WMXX the crowd went absolutely nuts, moreso then they did at his return in 2000 at Judgement Day. Ever since then he has had the loudest pops you will hear. They even tried turning him heel once, I believe Paul Heyman had control of the urn and he had Undertaker attack some faces and I remember he had a match against John Cena and completely destroyed him and the crowd loved it. Even now, he's not completely face, he still has a relationship with Kane who I believe is still a heel, and yet Undertaker is still cheered. I believe right now the only two people that are over enough are him and Rey Mysterio. They can't make Mysterio a heel because all his moves get massive pops. A heel Mysterio can't pull a 619 and get booed, everyone just loves that move. Point is, no matter who Undertaker faces, his opponent will be the heel

Taker is the most over face. Next to HBK

Damn!

How long do we still have to support Edge and Orton as champion?

They both suck. Like last time I said, there's always something in Edge's favor like magic.

And about Orton, I'm convinced this fucking annoying champion will redo the same thing he did the former time he was champion: multiple disqualification until we'll find a guy able to kick his ass for good.

On the other hand, I'm happy Cena, Christian and Mysterio won their matches.

As long as whenever.

I haven't been watching wrestling lately since Shawn's been out, been kind of a disappointing show to watch and I don't know why.

Was Judgement Day at least decent, or was it trashy?

Dead wrong, again. Taker is one of the few faces that actually appeals to all of the fans. Kids, girls, guys, hardcore wrestling fans, marks, smarts, everybody loves Taker. That's a lot more than you can say about Hardy or Cena. Taker is just huge overall.

And talk about taking things out of context... Taker has been a massive babyface since his return at Mania XX, he's absolutely NOT the heel American Badass of before, not at all. I don't know if you really believe what you're saying right now, but you're crazy if you think things are the way they were before. Taker had never had the babyface run that he's had the past few years, at that time. Of course he was heel, of course he could get heat. Undead Taker 09 is not the same and the fans are not the same.

Nobody wants to see Taker heel. Vince would turn Cena before he'd turn Taker.

yes! oh my god, someone else besides me who has some sense on the internet! bless you! not to get this in the wrong way but i love you!



exactly! period! end of discussion! Zent wins! Today marks the seventh anniversary of the passing of "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith.

Am I the only one who thought that when Ric Flair retired, he would actually, you know, retire? He needs to just stop appearing on any wrestling program.

Well he's going to wrestle again, so forget about that.

I'm annoyed with Flair for returning, since he got such an epic sendoff.

I sort of agree with Crow about Undertaker. If he had a few more years left in him I'd like to see him turn heel. But, he doesn't, So it's understandable that WWE would want to retain his boring as piss babyface status, because these last few years are the years they try cement his legacy as a legend and blah blah blah, so that when he retires they can make mad coin off shilling Undertaker merch. It's not exciting but I can't say it's not good business.

Then again it's not really my place as a fan to care about business so whatever.

Flair doesn't have the horrible injuries that HBK and Taker have.

And Flair is a guy just doin' his thing. I don't even know if he's married right now, and his children are all pretty grown up and even though they keep fucking up, it's not like they need their daddy to do everything for them, while HBK has a young daughter.

I do think it's complete bullshit Flair is coming back after that amazing send off that happened just over a year ago? That's crap, what a son of a bitch Flair is for putting that pressure on HBK and Vince (He said he won't come back unless Shawn and Vince fully approve). After a last match at Mania with HBK and one of the most emotional (if not THE most emotional) RAW moments of all time, why the hell does he want to come back, looking like crap, doing his little matches on RAW and PPV with young kids who need to have competitive matches to look good, not lose to a 60 year old man?

Wrestling is one of the greatest feelings in the world, I piss my pants with joy just knowing I have a show in a month. But Flair should know when to stay down. Hell he should have retired before WCW even died. Now he doesn't want his career to end the way it did? I don't think he realizes that he's NOT going to get a send off like that ever again. Either that, or he's forgotten about how special that moment was when RAW was dedicated to him.

Or he's just a greedy bastard who wants to make cash from the money matches in Japan and Europe.

IIRC Flair is also quite broke. It's a nice thought that he could just reitre and hang out doing whatever, but when you need cash you need to work. Pro wrestling has been the only work Flair has ever really done, it's all he knows. So what's he supposed to do? Sit around too broke to pay his bills just for sentiments sake? I can understand why he'd come back.

Either way is fine by me. I love watching him still, I think if he wrestled the right matches (ie; a minimal amount of bumps and tons of oldschool matwork) he could havea few more years left in him. Question is whether people are willing to watch the type of matches Flair could still do well (the aforementioned) or if they just want to see him make a hash of the shit everyone else is trying to do to now (ie; bumping all over the place for no good reason other than to pop the crowd). I presume the latter though, and that they'd probably also criticise him for it, but that's WWE fans for you.

But hey if Flair needs some cash to help pay his rent or his coke habit or whatever, I'd be more than happy to shell out money to see him wrestle Danielson, or Tenryu, or whoever. To quote Rick Flair, "RICK. FLAIR. WILL. NEVER. RETIRE! WOO! NEVER! WOO! NEVA RETIR! NAHR RATA! WOOOO! NAAAaAaaaa!" *elbow drops expensive suit jacket*

Yeah with Flair you can bet money is somehow involved in his decisionto return.

Watched some of Judgment Day and Shelton Benjamin vs. John Morrison match was pretty good really liked Benjamin's offense in the begining and overall they bothed looked good in the match.

Also Rey Mysterio vs. Chris Jericho match was excellent to watch bring back a lot of memories seeing thoes to in th e ring agaisnt eache other again.

there's not always a guarentee that it's money. JR said in a recent blog that he's bored and misses the spot-light. plus this whole recent thing with his youngest son Reid trying to get into wrestling is making him yearn for the spotlight again. but i do agree with what Zent said. he's an asshole for just completely fluffin' off the nice farewell WWE did for him. maybe it was his appearance at an ROH show that we can blaim

YAHTZEE!!!

and as for Flair being broke...why, he can never truly go broke, not with his figure four finance plan...

Well if he had money issues, he shouldn't have retired in the first place.

Also, he can make great money just doing his little autographs and appearances at shows. He was supposed to do a show for a Portuguese fed here, but he no showed the event, which also sucks on his part. I was thrilled though, they're our competition so if someone no shows their events, it's good for us.

Funny how a few months after the Mania match, Flair was all love talking about how much he respected Shawn Michaels and that he'd never return. Now he's STILL THE NATURE BOY!
Scott Steiner's right, Flair doesn't deserve half the respect he gets and this is proof.

It isn't wrong; I don't care who he appeals to, he's not going to sell as much as Cena does and that's what WWE looks at as face status. WWE is focused on appealing to the kids, and if that's the marker for who stays face then there's no real reason why Taker has to remain a face forever.

American Badass Taker started off as a face and made the transition to a heel as the "Big Evil" persona. You're selling Taker short. I believe he has the power, such as a Chris Jericho does, to make switches from face to heel. You're just not seeing the big picture. Also, I just thought about it, and comparing him to Mysterio is ludicrous. As far as I know Mysterio has never played a heel role. You know why? Because he just can't do it. He's like Spiderman to those kids, he's not going to ever, ever, ever be anything more than a face. Taker is not the same, he just isn't. He has played two very successful and memorable heel roles in the last 10 years and there's no reason I see why he can't do it again.

And "nobody"? Poor choice of words don't you think? Certainly that's not true. You don't really know what the writers in WWE think, it's just an assumption. Certainly there are fans who would love to see a heel turn.

k, so you suddenly know Taker doesn't sell as much as Cena? really, you know that for sure? and yeah, it's clear some fans want to see a heel turn, assuming you're a fan Crow. but there's alot more people who'd rather Taker just stay as he is. plus if he's going to suppossedly retire next year, what the hell would be the point to turn him heel for such a short time? i could see a heel turn if it was going to last awhile, but not if it's going to be short, then there's no point



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