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08/29/2008 03:47 AM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
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Shibata, that is probably the most hateful thing i've ever heard anyone say about a professional wrestler.


I don't hate Cena. I hate the way his matches are worked. Like I said, I'd much prefer if he just started wrestling more respectably than having his career end with an injury. But I have zero tolerance for pro wrestling like that. I know he doesn't get to choose how he wrestles too because he's only doing what he's told. But I don't have any sympathy for anyone willing to sacrifice pro wrestling's cred for a personal payday.

I don't care how popular it is or how much money that type of wrestling makes. I hate it. I HATE it. And I want as much of it gone as possible, one way or the other.


quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep


Maggo Wrote:
Now I know why ECW sucks!!! It wasn't McMahon after all. Twas Lelouche!!!


WTF? confused
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(TNA) TNA Contracts Set To Expire; Christian Cage & Sting's Status

Christian Cage, Sting, Team 3D, and Kevin Nash contract with TNA expires before the end of this year. Sting's contract is believed to be near finalization with an extension, as he has stated in the past that he would not appear on television unless his contract has been renewed. He appeared at the TV tapings this week.

The door is still open for a Christian Cage WWE return according to sources within the company. He left on good terms and would be able to make his return with a storyline involving Edge. He has told friends that he's happy with his current situation in TNA, which is what he told people regarding WWE before his departure.


* so, perhaps not just a WWE return by Gail Kim? *


Interesting Christian that would be cool but why ruin what he's got in TNA but than again he can really have a chance for a Title Match in WWE and win either the WWE or Worlds Title that would be cool! And he can feud with Edge or whatever.
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Shibata
08/29/2008 12:45 PM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:

quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep



Not only do I not intend to quit bitching, once I get my brown belt in BJJ I actually intend to start pro wrestling training and increase the time I spend on training for MMA. My goal is to train at Sayama's Shooto gym in Tokyo in about 2011. The idea behind all this is that I'm setting myself up to be in the position to intentionally injure as many pro wrestlers as possible whom I don't like by living out Akira Maeda's old mantra, which was essentially "I'm right, you're wrong, and you have no business being in a wrestling ring so get the fuck out or I'm going to hurt you" (see his shoots on Andre the Giant, Tiger Mask, etc.) Retaliation won't be a problem because most pro wrestlers these days can't fight for shit. Getting bookings might become a problem after a while, but starting my own promotion is a non-issue for me.

So. Hope I don't met any of your favourite wrestlers! tongue
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08/29/2008 12:54 PM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep



Not only do I not intend to quit bitching, once I get my brown belt in BJJ I actually intend to start pro wrestling training and increase the time I spend on training for MMA. My goal is to train at Sayama's Shooto gym in Tokyo in about 2011. The idea behind all this is that I'm setting myself up to be in the position to intentionally injure as many pro wrestlers as possible whom I don't like by living out Akira Maeda's old mantra, which was essentially "I'm right, you're wrong, and you have no business being in a wrestling ring so get the fuck out or I'm going to hurt you" (see his shoots on Andre the Giant, Tiger Mask, etc.) Retaliation won't be a problem because most pro wrestlers these days can't fight for shit. Getting bookings might become a problem after a while, but starting my own promotion is a non-issue for me.

So. Hope I don't met any of your favourite wrestlers! tongue


That's the dumbest thing I've ever read
Sooo what do you guys think about Stings new attitude?? In TNA I like kinda like teaching the new guys about respect and keeping that old school alive. And Jeff Jarrett what kind of role does he play in all this?? And what do you guys think of Abyss new character I kind of like it especially his new theme. Just throwing some topics out there.
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Maggo
08/29/2008 07:07 PM (UTC)
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The only thing new about Abyss's theme is the prison siren.
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TheMkGeek
08/29/2008 07:10 PM (UTC)
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JRC15 Wrote:
Shibata Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep



Not only do I not intend to quit bitching, once I get my brown belt in BJJ I actually intend to start pro wrestling training and increase the time I spend on training for MMA. My goal is to train at Sayama's Shooto gym in Tokyo in about 2011. The idea behind all this is that I'm setting myself up to be in the position to intentionally injure as many pro wrestlers as possible whom I don't like by living out Akira Maeda's old mantra, which was essentially "I'm right, you're wrong, and you have no business being in a wrestling ring so get the fuck out or I'm going to hurt you" (see his shoots on Andre the Giant, Tiger Mask, etc.) Retaliation won't be a problem because most pro wrestlers these days can't fight for shit. Getting bookings might become a problem after a while, but starting my own promotion is a non-issue for me.

So. Hope I don't met any of your favourite wrestlers! tongue


That's the dumbest thing I've ever read


ditto, i think he's kind of a moron, but what the hell, let him live his fantasy, when he gets his ass handed to him while he's training, maybe then he'll stop running his mouth! and as far as any of my 'favorites' they'd all kick his lazy ass easily! LOL! tongue grin wink smile glasses
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Icebaby
08/29/2008 08:43 PM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep



Not only do I not intend to quit bitching, once I get my brown belt in BJJ I actually intend to start pro wrestling training and increase the time I spend on training for MMA. My goal is to train at Sayama's Shooto gym in Tokyo in about 2011. The idea behind all this is that I'm setting myself up to be in the position to intentionally injure as many pro wrestlers as possible whom I don't like by living out Akira Maeda's old mantra, which was essentially "I'm right, you're wrong, and you have no business being in a wrestling ring so get the fuck out or I'm going to hurt you" (see his shoots on Andre the Giant, Tiger Mask, etc.) Retaliation won't be a problem because most pro wrestlers these days can't fight for shit. Getting bookings might become a problem after a while, but starting my own promotion is a non-issue for me.

So. Hope I don't met any of your favourite wrestlers! tongue


So wait... you would rather wrestle, when you have the chance to, and injure popular superstars that you don't like just to show us that their wrestling technique is not what you consider "professional?" That has to be the SHITTIEST thing to say for someone who's interested in being a wrestler.

It's like saying, I have every right to trip everyone I pass in my cross country race, because I don't like the pace they're taking during the races. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
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08/29/2008 08:44 PM (UTC)
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wrdlfe21version21 Wrote:
Sooo what do you guys think about Stings new attitude?? In TNA I like kinda like teaching the new guys about respect and keeping that old school alive. And Jeff Jarrett what kind of role does he play in all this?? And what do you guys think of Abyss new character I kind of like it especially his new theme. Just throwing some topics out there.


I'm with you on the whole sting respect thing.
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PhoenixWinterborn
08/29/2008 08:55 PM (UTC)
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Personally...I think a war is brewing in TNA..

Sting, BOOKAH!, and Angle
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Joe, Styles, and JJ

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Zentile
08/29/2008 10:43 PM (UTC)
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JRC15 Wrote:
Shibata Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

quit your bitching dude! the style of wrestling that you claim you hate ain't likely going anywhere any time soon, so you'd better just get used to that and just suck it up or quit watching wrestling! furious sleep



Not only do I not intend to quit bitching, once I get my brown belt in BJJ I actually intend to start pro wrestling training and increase the time I spend on training for MMA. My goal is to train at Sayama's Shooto gym in Tokyo in about 2011. The idea behind all this is that I'm setting myself up to be in the position to intentionally injure as many pro wrestlers as possible whom I don't like by living out Akira Maeda's old mantra, which was essentially "I'm right, you're wrong, and you have no business being in a wrestling ring so get the fuck out or I'm going to hurt you" (see his shoots on Andre the Giant, Tiger Mask, etc.) Retaliation won't be a problem because most pro wrestlers these days can't fight for shit. Getting bookings might become a problem after a while, but starting my own promotion is a non-issue for me.

So. Hope I don't met any of your favourite wrestlers! tongue


That's the dumbest thing I've ever read


That would actually make Batista, John Cena and every other professional wrestler that's keeping the business alive far better professionals than you.
Actually, that would make you extremely unprofessional, as well as an asshole, a moron, a retard, and other words with the same meaning.
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Shibata
08/29/2008 11:51 PM (UTC)
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Not because their wrestling technique isn't what I consider "professional," because their wrestling technique isn't what I consider "acceptable." I didn't say anything about professional. I'll never be professional or polite towards the type of wrestlers who have given the Western public the idea that pro wrestling is a joke.

It's not about keeping the business alive, it's about keeping alive the ideals that guys like Thesz, Gotch, Inoki, Sayama, Maeda, Robinson, etc, scrapped and fought their asses off to maintain. To quote the Joker, it's not about the money, it's about sending a message. If pro wrestling can't become somewhat respectable again then I'd rather it be dead.

"Damn that seems a bit excessive,' then again he owns his own island, and I rent a condo on the Beach..... advantage Inoki.' - Samoa Joe

And I didn't say I wasn't an asshole. But I'd rather be an asshole who's respected by a dying breed of people who matter to me than a defeatist sycophant who's loved by a hundred million Hulkamaniacs.
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08/30/2008 01:13 AM (UTC)
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Yep a war is a brewin in TNA.....The Millionaire's Club vs. The New Blood....huh, I wonder where i've heard that before?....eh.

Aside from that, a change in attitude is good for Sting as long as he doesn't try to go all out heel. His brief heel turn near the end of wcw's life was nothing short of an abomination.
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08/30/2008 01:35 AM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
Not because their wrestling technique isn't what I consider "professional," because their wrestling technique isn't what I consider "acceptable." I didn't say anything about professional. I'll never be professional or polite towards the type of wrestlers who have given the Western public the idea that pro wrestling is a joke.

It's not about keeping the business alive, it's about keeping alive the ideals that guys like Thesz, Gotch, Inoki, Sayama, Maeda, Robinson, etc, scrapped and fought their asses off to maintain. To quote the Joker, it's not about the money, it's about sending a message. If pro wrestling can't become somewhat respectable again then I'd rather it be dead.

"Damn that seems a bit excessive,' then again he owns his own island, and I rent a condo on the Beach..... advantage Inoki.' - Samoa Joe

And I didn't say I wasn't an asshole. But I'd rather be an asshole who's respected by a dying breed of people who matter to me than a defeatist sycophant who's loved by a hundred million Hulkamaniacs.


too bad they'd kick your ass.
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Shibata
08/30/2008 01:51 AM (UTC)
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Who exactly is "they?"
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TheMkGeek
08/30/2008 02:16 AM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
Who exactly is "they?"


Everyone jackass! With an attitude like yours you've got zero chance at ever succeeding in wrestling! When the old-schoolers and just about everyone else gets a load of you and your atitude, you will get the royalist ass whipping you've ever had coming! You've got no respect for anyone, and it's folks like you who think they're hot shots that have no business in Pro Wrestling period!
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PhoenixWinterborn
08/30/2008 09:21 AM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:
Shibata Wrote:
Who exactly is "they?"


Everyone jackass! With an attitude like yours you've got zero chance at ever succeeding in wrestling! When the old-schoolers and just about everyone else gets a load of you and your atitude, you will get the royalist ass whipping you've ever had coming! You've got no respect for anyone, and it's folks like you who think they're hot shots that have no business in Pro Wrestling period!

Thank you MKGeek! If you want ANY shot of getting into the business today...to paraphrase Sting from Thu. "You have to respect who came before you to be successful." And sadly for you, those who came before are in that ring right now, busting their asses for you to possibly (but doubtfully in your case) to be able to become a professional wrestler! Guys like me. Guys like Zentile. Guys who KNOW the business, not guys like you Shibata, who's only purpose is to destroy those whom you don't deem "acceptable" in today's wrestling world. It's called evolution. As much as some of us like the old days of pro wrestling, it has changed. And if you don't change with it, you will not make it. Simple as that.
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Shibata
08/30/2008 10:34 AM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:
Shibata Wrote:
Who exactly is "they?"


Everyone jackass! With an attitude like yours you've got zero chance at ever succeeding in wrestling! When the old-schoolers and just about everyone else gets a load of you and your atitude, you will get the royalist ass whipping you've ever had coming! You've got no respect for anyone, and it's folks like you who think they're hot shots that have no business in Pro Wrestling period!


I have plenty of respect for plenty of people and that's why this is my intention to begin with. If there are people who think I have no business in pro wrestling, then when the times comes, they'll be more than welcome to prove it to me in the ring. I don't think I'm a hot shot, I'm just somebody who's tired of the garbage.


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Thank you MKGeek! If you want ANY shot of getting into the business today...to paraphrase Sting from Thu. "You have to respect who came before you to be successful." And sadly for you, those who came before are in that ring right now, busting their asses for you to possibly (but doubtfully in your case) to be able to become a professional wrestler! Guys like me. Guys like Zentile. Guys who KNOW the business, not guys like you Shibata, who's only purpose is to destroy those whom you don't deem "acceptable" in today's wrestling world. It's called evolution. As much as some of us like the old days of pro wrestling, it has changed. And if you don't change with it, you will not make it. Simple as that.


That is the biggest lie I've ever heard. Vince McMahon didn't respect anything, he knowingly pissed all over every promoter and pro wrestler in the US, and what he didn't destory, he just took. He put so many people out of work and disrespected so many traditions and workers in one fowl swoop that at the time there were mob hits out on his life. The same could be said for Vince Russo's personal success and his complete dismantling of the pro wrestling business. Or Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Shawn Michaels, any number of successful people in the business have been disrespectful as hell to those who went before them and those around them so don't give me that shit because I'm not buying it.

There ARE people out there busting their asses for me to achieve what I want to achieve as a pro wrestler and I'd do anything for those people, but there are also people out there busting their asses making pro wrestling look like a circus whether they realise it or not. Respect is earnt, not given, and Volk Han can have as much respect as I can muster. I'd almost take a bullet for that guy. But a bunch of smarmy bodybuilding assholes who have done nothing but snort coke and screw minging ringrats while they make my favourite sport look like a joke for the past twenty years - and the people who aspire to become that - aren't getting anything from me except some screws in their ankles.

I'm going to start changing it back one match at a time, and if people don't change with me, then they will be the ones who will not make it. It's nothing personal, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, but it's just business. The backlash was always inevitable really.
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08/30/2008 01:58 PM (UTC)
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Actually it's NOT business, because your going out of your way to be an asshole for your own personal insane gain, and your theory is so flawed it's retarded.
How exactly are you going to hurt the people who make the business ''a joke''? They're mostly in the WWE, how are you going to get into the WWE if you're an asshole who can't work their style? At best, you'll get a chance to hurt the ones who want to make it in the WWE and you hear about their dreams, and before they get to go to the WWE you face them in an indy show and break their ankles (I can't believe I'm even typing this bullshit of yours up, if you're trying to sound tough you should try a different approach). How would this achieve your goals? There will always be people wanting to be in the WWE and wrestling it's style.
Then, as people noticed your pattern as a moron with a black belt, they'll catch on to your mental illness and start charging you with assault. Hopefully you'll go to jail for being scum, if not, I'm sure your booking schedules will become smaller and smaller.
Your brilliant plan to start your own promotion wouldn't help you though. People would still know who you are, they wouldn't want to work for you (not the ones you want to hurt, anyway) and you'd just be running your little old school style promotion, making shit money, while John Cena is probably on his tenth world title reign, making awesome money not just for him but for the western wrestling business in general, doing more for the business than you could ever hope to.
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Shibata
08/30/2008 03:44 PM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:

How exactly are you going to hurt the people who make the business ''a joke''? They're mostly in the WWE


That isn't true at all. They're everywhere.

Zentile Wrote:
There will always be people wanting to be in the WWE and wrestling it's style.


I couldn't prevent that, but I could only do my part.

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Then, as people noticed your pattern as a moron with a black belt, they'll catch on to your mental illness and start charging you with assault.


Pressing charges? What?! So you're "in the business" but you're totally unaware that involving the law at any point in a dispute is like the one thing which gets you completely blackballed from pretty much every circuit of pro wrestling in the West? Low Ki put a straight razor to Dan Maff's throat in a lockroom with his own hands. Homicide tried to shoot up his house. No charges. New Jack has tried to kill multiple people in the ring and all his stabbings, bludgeonings, and trying to throw unconcious people off buildings is freely traded videotape. No charges. I don't know why you don't know this but it's pro wrestling, it's outside of the law. Even if people do press charges, the law doesn't waste their time with it. If Invader can blatently stab Brusier Brody to death and have nobody give a fuck, I can break an arm without going to prison, lol.

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Your brilliant plan to start your own promotion wouldn't help you though. People would still know who you are, they wouldn't want to work for you (not the ones you want to hurt, anyway) and you'd just be running your little old school style promotion, making shit money, while John Cena is probably on his tenth world title reign, making awesome money not just for him but for the western wrestling business in general, doing more for the business than you could ever hope to.


I don't want to do anything for "the business" as such. I want to do something for kayfabe. If I wanted to make money I'd become a lawyer.

Many people have made entire careers of bullying people. Tiger Mask, Inoki, Maeda, Funaki, Hashimoto, etc. All successful. Their defining moments were shooting on people to prove various points. Pro wrestling bullies are nothing new. I just intend to bully people who deserve it, and make good friends with the people who don't.
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DocBizzare
08/30/2008 05:52 PM (UTC)
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WOOT WOOT R-Truth anyone...anyone?confused
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Icebaby
08/30/2008 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Shibata, you're not going to win this at all, Zentile, Geek, and anyone else who had commented on your posts in the last page and a half know how to come back with a perfectly logical statement to make you sound like a big embarassed jackass with no respect for anything about wrestling at all. You're just digging deeper in a grave for yourself every time you speak.
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08/30/2008 09:12 PM (UTC)
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Walter "Killer" Kowalski died on Friday night in a Massachusetts hospital at age 81. He'd been living in a nursing home for a few months with knee problems. He suffered a heart attack on Aug. 8 and was eventually removed from life support R.I.P
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08/30/2008 09:12 PM (UTC)
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Shibata Wrote:
Zentile Wrote:

How exactly are you going to hurt the people who make the business ''a joke''? They're mostly in the WWE


That isn't true at all. They're everywhere.

Zentile Wrote:
There will always be people wanting to be in the WWE and wrestling it's style.


I couldn't prevent that, but I could only do my part.

Zentile Wrote:

Then, as people noticed your pattern as a moron with a black belt, they'll catch on to your mental illness and start charging you with assault.


Pressing charges? What?! So you're "in the business" but you're totally unaware that involving the law at any point in a dispute is like the one thing which gets you completely blackballed from pretty much every circuit of pro wrestling in the West? Low Ki put a straight razor to Dan Maff's throat in a lockroom with his own hands. Homicide tried to shoot up his house. No charges. New Jack has tried to kill multiple people in the ring and all his stabbings, bludgeonings, and trying to throw unconcious people off buildings is freely traded videotape. No charges. I don't know why you don't know this but it's pro wrestling, it's outside of the law. Even if people do press charges, the law doesn't waste their time with it. If Invader can blatently stab Brusier Brody to death and have nobody give a fuck, I can break an arm without going to prison, lol.

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Your brilliant plan to start your own promotion wouldn't help you though. People would still know who you are, they wouldn't want to work for you (not the ones you want to hurt, anyway) and you'd just be running your little old school style promotion, making shit money, while John Cena is probably on his tenth world title reign, making awesome money not just for him but for the western wrestling business in general, doing more for the business than you could ever hope to.


I don't want to do anything for "the business" as such. I want to do something for kayfabe. If I wanted to make money I'd become a lawyer.

Many people have made entire careers of bullying people. Tiger Mask, Inoki, Maeda, Funaki, Hashimoto, etc. All successful. Their defining moments were shooting on people to prove various points. Pro wrestling bullies are nothing new. I just intend to bully people who deserve it, and make good friends with the people who don't.


You're stupid. Seriously, you need to grow up and realize that things change. It sounds like all you watch is Japanese wrestling anyways, so I don't see how you can have any qualms with America. I'm certain that people like John Cena who are ex-body builders, and college athletes would kick your ass. He'd do it right now with his "herniated disk" and all. Who are you going to go beat up on? Kelly Kelly? You don't have a point, and you don't have a case... you're just an internet tough guy, and an overly passionate smark. Get over yourself.
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WOOT WOOT R-Truth anyone...anyone?confused


Yeah I remember when he was K-quick now he's R-Truth but now that he is back in WWE I wonder if he will do good or just dwindle to mid card or just not survive well they gave him good vignettes so maybe he'll last a good while..
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