Well, aside from sloppy move execution now and then, what do you think is wrong with Batista's wrestling?

lol @ arm broken taking a hiptoss btw

Batista isn't a GREAT wrestler, but he is good, especially for big guys.
Not every big guy is half as good as Batista, especially as babyfaces. Do you think Gene Snitsky could do a great job as a babyface?
Look at Hogan and Batista. They both understand how to work a crowd as babyfaces. I'm talking about selling, hitting the moves quickly during comebacks, looking straight at the crowd, shaking the ropes, making lots of facial expressions, act explosive... Hell even Kurt Angle in his Fighting Spirit Magazine interview said Batista could wrestle.
Batista has something that is being forgotten a lot by wrestlers these days, especially the indies of course. If you watch Secrets of the Ring with Raven, you'd understand what I mean.

As for the ROH guys, I can't remember exactly what I was pissed off at at Without Remorse, but at an older ROH show, from last year I think, at one point, Homicide hits a fucking superplex off the top rope. Neither man sells it because Homicide just holds on to the opponent (One of the Briscoes) lifts him and hits another move. It's ridiculous.
I remember one of the spots that I didn't like at Without Remorse, which was Nigel running through the chops and not selling them. It's like... After people see that, when I get hit with a chop, I'll be a wuss to sell it properly... etc, stuff like that.
It's SO important to sell these days and at ROH they don't sell all the time. ''Strong style'' my ass, it's actually worse for the business.

Any time you see the words "strong style" in reference to absolutely any wrestler or match which isn't being promoted exclusively by New Japan Pro Wrestling, it's not Strong Style at all.

But even though ROH tries to do this really, really bad half King's Road, half Dragon Gate style thing, like... I think Nigel McGuinness is entitled to do the 'toukon' no-sell thing a little bit, because he does work for NOAH, and he does hang out with those guys who've learnt it from the best, and he is usually a pretty decent wrestler anyway. So I think he probably knows when it's acceptable and when it isn't.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it but there's a time for no-selling and time to sell, it's about context. Which you see when you watch Kawada matches; his selling is fucking EXCELLENT, the best of any wrestler ever I think. Like he'll sell to the point where somebody smacks him and he tries to smack them back out of anger but collapses halfway through throwing an elbow to show that he has the fire but is just too hurt, or he'll get whipped into the ropes after having his leg worked and instead of running the ropes, he'll just trip over and clutch his knee. Then he'll get horrifcally dumped on his head and his fighting spirit will enable him to no-sell, get up, and blast his opponent just as badly. I don't think it belittles the move being no-sold or anyone else who does sell it if you do it in context.

But you get guys like fucking Chris Hero and Kevin Steen who try to do it, and it's just terrible to watch because they misuse it dreadfully. The Briscoes are a whole different kettle of fish because they try to do the DG style psychology where the match is built by a series of escalating highspots and nearfalls until it gets to the point of madness. Even IN Dragon Gate that often sucks. But the same style outside of Dragon Gate is just horrible, it just ends up being people flipping around all over the place for twenty minutes no-selling absolutely everything. Like, The Biscoes vs Shelley and Sabin; after everyone hitting all their biggest moves, several huge tag moves, etc, they ended up having to finish Alex Shelley with a wristclutch reverse death vally driver / guillotine leg drop combination. I actually laughed out loud at how absurd and horrible it was. That's the most overkill I've ever seen in a pro wrestling match, and it totally killed all the finishers that everyone had used for me, it made the Shellshock look like a bodyslam. Somebody needs to tell them that they're not Muscle Outlaw'z.

But yeah. That's part of why I don't watch ROH much anymore. And why I'd rather watch Batista match than a Chris Hero match.

Oh don't get me started on Hero!

Yep, you're absolutely right. It's all about context, pulling off finisher style moves in the beginning and middle of the match and just have things go on is totally absurd and kills the moves.

He does it just for the hell of it. I don't think he actually wants to degrate himself by trying to live up to WWE/TNA/ROH's standards. Then again, I could be wrong.

....The new ECW announcer sucks fat cock

I honestly don't think that Batista is a good wrestler at all I haven't watched WWE in awhile cause the wrestling on there is just insulting. But the thing he does and he's over for is not his ability is working a crowd. I'll put it this way when I watch Batista I don't expect a great match. But the thing I will give credit for WWE is their selling the in ring psychology and how they pick the right moments for their baby face shine and their hope spots. I did watch Raven's shoot DVD and yeah he even admits on there that Gabe's guys (the ROH roster) is not doing the selling well. But in the end I would pick ROH over WWE anyday.

I don't get it. You just gave WWE the credit for Batista's work?

Let me just put it this way Batista can't wrestle the only thing he has going for him is his look and the way he works the crowd which I think sucks to.

Not to mention the only reason Batista wrestles at all is for the money.

The only reason anyone who works in TNA or WWE does it is for the money. You certainly don't go there to have great pro wrestling matches.

I think the thing about Batista is that his matches make sense and they're not too unrealistic. If you can get those two things down then I think you're well on your way to good wrestling. There's no gaping holes in logic. Like, when I watch a Randy Orton match and he does that thing where he picks people up and they stand there dazed, and instead of hitting an RKO and winning, he dropkicks them. Why not just hit an RKO? If John Cena or the Rock is desperately trying to win a match against a tough opponent, why not just pin them if they can keep their opponent downed long enough to hit a five knuckle shuffle or people's elbow? Asking the question is pointless to begin with because there's no logical answer which doesn't break kayfabe. That's bad wrestling. But Batista's matches have none of that, they're just simple, with sound, plain old unoffensive psychology. Granted Batista is no Billy Robinson, but I can't see anything actually wrong with his wrestling. Even if sometimes it is a little bit boring for whatever reason.

Also, I'm not very inclined to listen to what Raven has to say on certain things, honestly. Specifically good wrestling. He's a whinging pussy who would sap every last drop of credibility pro wrestling has from it, if he had the opportunity.

That's all fine and good and logical, but I also measure those who I consider great wrestler by how entertaining they are, I mean that's really the heart of what wrestling is, entertainment. And Batista bores me to death, not unlike much of WWE main eventers, so in my book he's not a great wrestler, he's just ok. He's not joe schmo doing backyard wrestling but he's not the pinicle of what wrestling is meant to be either. But i will agree with you that his matches often make the most sense, despite how methodically boring they may be.

Honestly the most exciting part of Batista is his entrance and his badass tattoo's.

Wait, you said before that the good thing about Batista is the in ring psychology. Now you say it's also the way he works the crowd, but then you go ahead and say it sucks? I don't get it. I'm not trying to piss you off, but seriously I don't get it.

There's a reason why Batista is popular. It's not just because WWE decided to push him and not anyone else.
He's worked with tons of incredible wrestlers over the years and learned a lot from them. Batista IS great at working a crowd and having good realistic matches.

I'm not saying I particularly like watching Batista because I don't, but you should give credit where it's due.

In short, he's an okay wrestler, good draw, but boring for hardcore fans. THERE EVERYONE CAN NOW HUG EACH OTHER AND HAVE AN ORGY!


Now this a quote from Randy Orton at Slam Wrestling:

"His self-awareness extends to his in-ring work as well. Orton admits that he's not the flashiest worker ("I've got three moves," he quipped) but feels like his ability to tell a story and take the audience on a ride allows him to get the most out of what he's got"

It's the truth for all the three of that generation: Orton, Batista and Cena. All three admit it also!

Well, I would consider myself a "hardcore fan" probably, and I think he's more exciting than most of WWE's main event because of the way he structures a lot of his television matches. But yes. Hugs and buggery all around. Now let's talk about how fucking AWESOME Keita Yano is.

How would he be degrading himself, more like he'd be degrading WWE/TNA/ROH!

Ok I hope this clears things up I think his performance is good meaning his interaction with the crowd his in ring psychology but I think his work meaning his wrestling ability sucks. And your not pissing me off at all were just talking, there is no reason for me to be pissed off.

My prediction fo backlash:

so very true

World Championship-Undertaker vs. Edge- Taker continues his reign.

Big Show vs. The Great Khali - The Big Show redeems himself. unfortunatly it's against the great khali, so it won't matter.

United States Championship-MVP vs. Matt Hardy- MVP continues his reign and matt is forever labled that other hardy boy.

WWE Championship Fatal Four Way Elimination Match- Triple H vs Cena vs Orton vs JBL- Though i'd love to see it, i just don't think the age of Orton will be allowed to live much longer. Triple H will likely come out on top.

ECW Champion Kane vs. Chavo Guerrero - I'd like to see Chavo get the W, but kane will pull this one out. Hopefully this one actually gets more air time then the competitiors respective entrances.

Batista vs. Shawn Michaels - I agree with Zentile

12-Diva Tag Team Match - Honestly, are the divas relevant enough to still be getting ppv matches.....honestly?

Well, it's about damn time.

CHEERS!

Ehh... maybe not that time yet.

CHEERS!

BWAHAHAH!!!! THE AGE OF ORTON IS DEAD!!! LONG LIVE TRIPLE H!!!! THE KING OF KINGS GOES BACK ON HIS THROWN!!!!!


Finally a fucking PPV where all the right people win! As I live and breath, I never thought I'd ever see such a thing!

Dear god no I hate Triple H and his abnormally large beak. Also hate Matt Hardy and his never die attitude. This ppv made me cringe.