Saying that ''no one's perfect'' doesn't justify Hardy's absurd botching ratio .

I would have to agree with Zentile he's just terrible at those moves at least perfect or craft or do something that your capable of doing.

I agree 199.9999999%


I got Smackdown Vs. Raw 2008. I like it, but last years was better...I like the new control scheme, but something about it is just...lacking...

What it misses is a good single player... the new one sucks... They take from gameplay or storyline to put more voiceover and videos. ThaT and it feels precooked... They have the same collision shit since the beginning and hair still looks like on the PS1.

Yea, i'm not really a fan of the 24/7 mode either. it just keep repeating itself over and over. Kinda boring. i'm working on the HOF mode right now, which is interesting, but it's only gonna last so long... :(

Well, i kinda like the hair SLIGHTLY better this year...

As for colision Detection, yeah, it still sucks...but it's not as bad as it has been

And, as for 24/7 mode, i kinda like the concept...If they took an extra year off to work on the mext game, they might have something

Tammy Sytch, Daniel Puder and Bushwacker Luke will be attending ROH's show in New York on the 29 th. It should be interesting as to see what roles if any will take place.

Ok, there is something I was thinking about the other night, but i'm just getting around to posting it:

With all the talk amongst us about botching moves, this that and the other, and its like we're all over-analyzing thing now. Remember back to when we all first started watching wrestling? We weren't worried about who was with who backstage, who was botching, we didn't go online to find out who they wanted with the belts. We watched it because it was exciting. We watched it because we always wanted to know what happened next. I'm gonna try something and see if it helps me get back into it: I'm not gonna visit any of the insider sites for a month, and just watch to see what happens. Maybe we should all try it. *shrugs*

I already do that...and it helps a little....Personally, i don't mind people Botching moves unless they cause a serious injury (Ex. Goldberg ending Bret Harts Carreer, Or Sid Vicious's Leg Break, or Nash's Powerbomb To Paul White)

The internet has help a lot in that.

Again, that's including Jeff Hardy in a minority that he doesn't belong in. I don't need to watch a Jeff Hardy match several times to see that he fucked something up, and I don't need someone in the internet pointing it out either, and that's the problem. He just FUCKS IT UP.

That's part of my point actually. When we were younger, did we care about that? Most of us didn't know what botching a move even meant. We were too caught up in watching the match to worry about any of that...just sayin

We also didn't appreciate a good match as much. Pro wrestling is an artform. To just mindlessly watch it while deliberately ignoring all the bad things is a bit like comparing a scribble on a peice of paper to something by Da Vinci and saying "it's all art, it's all good." Or something.

Anyway, I don't mind botching depending on the circumstance. If you're having a match and there's a "story" being told (which is cliche, I know) then botches shouldn't really matter. Screwing up is part of sport so it just adds to the realism if wrestler A can't lift wrestler B when he tries to/is supossed to do so.

But if you have a match where the whole thing is just about highspots, well fine, but it means that if you blow one of them then the whole match is ruined because there's nothing else to fall back on. Misawa vs Marufuji was a good example of that, Misawa tries to hit a top rope tiger driver near the end of the match and it gets horribly blown and they have to try salvage the finish, and it's very anti-climatic. Because it was just strings of highspots which built bigger and bigger, screwing one of them up screws up the whole composition of the match, but that's all Marufuji knows, that's why he sucks. Jeff Hardy is generally the same. As is Shelton Benjamin. Most WWE babyfaces are like that actually, but that's more to do with the cookie cutter way WWE matches are worked than the wrestler themselves.

In thinking about it, botching moves isn't really why I don't like Jeff Hardy. General lack of psychology is why I don't like him. Although I don't approve of people selling his obviously whiffed strikes, but he could slip and land on his head in every match and I wouldn't care as long as there was more to his matches than "I'm the babyface, watch me jump around while the opponent feeds himself into my offense." But again, WWE, etc.

Marufuji sucks are you kidding me.

Nope, Marufuji blows. No psychology, can't sell head drops, looks like a Jr on vast amounts of steroids (I know he is, but he shouldn't so obviously look like that), no real heavyweight offense aside from his awkward pole shift and he still wrestles like a Jr, so many horrible indyriffic CZW-looking moves, and then there's the awful business of him whiffing thrust kicks by a mile but still slapping his thigh anyway for effect. And the rest. Ugh. He's a black mark on the list of the new generation's top stars.

Yeah Jeff Hardy's botches aren't the only things that take away from him as a wrestler.
Not to mention the fact that he's not that good a wrestler either. I remember watching Hardy vs Carlito a few months ago, and Jeff Hardy was getting absolutely schooled and you could tell he had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.

So any way, anyone going to watch SD tonight?

Yeah lets move on from the botchery already.

I won't be watching Smackdown!, but I would like to share the following news:

NoDQ.com > WWE > Matt Hardy Hospitalized Again, Mistico To WWE?
Posted by Ryan Gray on 12/27/2007 at 10:44 AM

Source - Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- WWE SmackDown superstar Matt Hardy was hospitalized again on December 8th with an abscess stemming from an infection from his appendectomy. He was put back on heavy antibiotics and later released on December 12th. As of right now he doesn’t expect this latest episode to delay his return.


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Damn Hardy has been with a hell of a bad luck. I hope he gets that U.S. strap once he gets back.

Have you even see him vs KENTA in their first encounter. Easily a MOTY.

To be honest I thought that match was a stiff fest, with a few interesting spots if you're talking about the one where they got completely fucked up, especially Marafuji.

But that's the wrestling style in NOAH.

That doesn't make it good.

That's your opinion on that and the match with them in my opinion was great. Anyways did anybody check out Judas entrance on this weeks Impact I thought it was badass and the fact that he wore a replica Corey Taylor's mask from Slipknot on the way down I just wish he would change his in ring attire.

First encounter? As in KENTA's debut in AJ? I don't think I've seen it, I don't think it was taped, was it? I'm not sure which match you're talking about exactly but I think I've seen most of the KENTA vs Marufuji stuff. If you mean their most recent match for the GHC heavyweight title, that was a ridiculous match. I enjoyed it, but it had way too much overkill, even by the standards of 90's AJ or NOAH.

Also I'm getting some weird vibe here that there's an attitude of stiff = bad. If that's the case then I'm thoroughly confused.

I absolutely do feel that stiff = bad. Not in EVERY case, but stiffness like the fucking japanese do it is beyond acceptable IMO. If someone stiffed me up like those guys do, I'd be a professional to try to do the match properly but I would stiff them harder than they stiffed me.