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gnrlies1992
05/05/2007 02:37 AM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Sure, Taker can still hang. That's why he's on the shelf for six months, eh?


That doesn't prove anything. The fact that he's been going for as long as he has, non-stop I might add (this is actually the first time he's going to be out for an extended amount of time), proves that he can still hang. Injuries happen to everyone, it doesn't mean jack shit. Hell, look at Micheals as an example, he suffered what was then thought of as a career ending back injury in '97, and in 2002, came back stronger than ever, proving he could still go, so in 6 months, or whenever Taker comes back, he'll prove even more that he's still got it.


And Zent, I agree, TNA's roster ain't to blaim for TNA's poor showings, it's the retards who run the promotion, the Carters, who obviously don't have a clue. When Jerry Jarrett let them take majority ownership, that, imo, was a mistake. Oh, and old Vinnie Ru also doesn't help any either


Um, i love Taker, but i have to remind you of:

1.The whole Bad ass transition
2.the extended "exclusive at PPV's" taker
3. and then there was the Badass to Classic taker
4. and now there is this.
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DRFATALITY
05/05/2007 03:57 AM (UTC)
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I read SVR:2008 is coming to the Wii.I wonder how that's going to turn out.I need a Wii fighting/wrestling fix.The WWE should've gave Taker the belt a looooooooooooong time ago.I know they did once in the early 90's but i think he only had it for a short time.The WWE should start putting more time into new talent though.I haven't been watching that much due to the cable being off,so i wouldn't know who's good and new or not.WWE needs that new big star but it has to come natural like how the rock and stone cold came out.They didn't seem forced like alot of the new WWE "stars".
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killerkill87
05/05/2007 05:16 AM (UTC)
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As far as a new star i really think kennedy can emerge as the big star and WWE knows that too thats why he will fight at next years wrestlemania. He'll prob win the title who ever hes facing. I really think the cena experment failed and he should drop the title the prob is who they gonna make him drop it too? I mean def not the great kahli god that will piss me off even more then cena holding the belt. For some reason cena reminds me of lugar idk why though. I honestly think a heel turn and maybe a run for the IC title or something will help cena alot and hopefully give him time to get some more in ring skills. I like the taker alot and he is prob the best big wrestler or in the top elchelon of big men in wrestling history and i was hoping he get a long title run i guess not with his new injury. As far as TNA goes they definally have more talent now then WWE. I think they NEED a 2 hour slot. They have been rushing everything and its lead to medicore matches eventually if this continues all it will be known for is spot fests. I think once they get 2 hours you'll see storylines improve alot better wrestling and possibly emerge not as big money making as WWE but as a definate wrestling operation.
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~Crow~
05/05/2007 06:13 AM (UTC)
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ECW manages to be a lot better than TNA with the same time alotted. The only thing Impact has over ECW is the fact I don't I have to look at Extreme Expose on Impact. Sadly, I do have to watch uninteresting promos that consist of 50% censored language.
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05/05/2007 06:32 AM (UTC)
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i'm sorry, but i just have to respond to this whole "taker is old and feeble but he can still hang but that's why he's out for six months" b.s. injuries in professional wrestling are apart of it all. yes, taker is old, and coincidentally in the best shape of his career. "BUT HE'S INJURED CAUSE HE'S OLD", you say? so i guess triple h by this same definition is an old fart who can't carry is own weight that's why his quad ripped. or rey mysterio is limping around because he's an old dog on his last legs......in his mid thirty's...... yeah..... i didn't hear nearly as much of this stuff around summerslam last year when hogan GOT UP OFF THE COUCH and messed himself up...the moral of this story is...wrestling catches up with you in the end. mid thirty's, late twenty's, late forty's, whatever. injuries don't care how old you are, if the preasure's there, it's gonna eventually break. the fact that the man got injured should not detract from the fact that he in fact can still go out there and put on a hell of a show.
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Zentile
05/05/2007 11:53 AM (UTC)
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It would be so cool if you stopped being bias. Triple H and Rey Mysterio have been working intense schedules, being a part of every house show and pay per view on their respective brands, and putting on some of the best WWE matches. Undertaker returned to a regular schedule and in a couple of months got injured. I'm not saying injury = old age.
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killerkill87
05/05/2007 02:33 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
ECW manages to be a lot better than TNA with the same time alotted. The only thing Impact has over ECW is the fact I don't I have to look at Extreme Expose on Impact. Sadly, I do have to watch uninteresting promos that consist of 50% censored language.


Yea the difference is that theres more people in TNA then ECW which is only apart of WWE now and and they can extend their show not matches but storyline wise (Look at the vince mchman bobby lashley story line) to raw and smackdown which is 2 hours each. As for tna they got alot of people 1 hour a week and 2/3 hours of a PPV and thats it.
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05/05/2007 03:29 PM (UTC)
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i'm sorry, but i just have to respond to this whole "taker is old and feeble but he can still hang but that's why he's out for six months" b.s. injuries in professional wrestling are apart of it all. yes, taker is old, and coincidentally in the best shape of his career. "BUT HE'S INJURED CAUSE HE'S OLD", you say? so i guess triple h by this same definition is an old fart who can't carry is own weight that's why his quad ripped. or rey mysterio is limping around because he's an old dog on his last legs......in his mid thirty's...... yeah..... i didn't hear nearly as much of this stuff around summerslam last year when hogan GOT UP OFF THE COUCH and messed himself up...the moral of this story is...wrestling catches up with you in the end. mid thirty's, late twenty's, late forty's, whatever. injuries don't care how old you are, if the preasure's there, it's gonna eventually break. the fact that the man got injured should not detract from the fact that he in fact can still go out there and put on a hell of a show.


Great Fuckin point Undertaker has always been my favroite and always will be for someone to jump off the turnbuckle st age like 49 or sumtin like that idk how old he great piont Detox
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gnrlies1992
05/05/2007 05:27 PM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
It would be so cool if you stopped being bias. Triple H and Rey Mysterio have been working intense schedules, being a part of every house show and pay per view on their respective brands, and putting on some of the best WWE matches. Undertaker returned to a regular schedule and in a couple of months got injured. I'm not saying injury = old age.


Uh, yeah, you did.

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I am starting to get so fucking tired of your ''saying that is just like saying this'' routine. It's fucking annoying.

Undertaker IS old. The proof is that he got injured a month into his world title reign. As usual, your fanboy vision is getting in the way of facts.

Also, Hulk Hogan is no longer with the WWE. Saying Hogan is with the WWE right now is like saying that Undertaker isn't old. It's just not true.



and this one.

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Because he's a washed up old man who has no business holding the world title?!Quote
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Zentile
05/06/2007 12:20 AM (UTC)
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It's a fact that he's OLD. It's also a fact that he got injured. I hardly related the two facts.

Well regardless, I dont even know why we're having this discussion. Undertaker IS old, that's a fact. Undertaker IS out of action, so he CAN NOT still go. Fact.

It's amazing how many fanboys the Undertaker created, I've never liked him. Blind as you may be though, he's injured for a pretty long time, he's dropping the world and there's no arguments that can help it.
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Zentile
05/06/2007 01:49 AM (UTC)
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Well now reports say RVD is to be taken off TV soon. So I guess that basically means that he's going to TNA. Yay?
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gnrlies1992
05/06/2007 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
It's a fact that he's OLD. It's also a fact that he got injured. I hardly related the two facts.

Well regardless, I dont even know why we're having this discussion. Undertaker IS old, that's a fact. Undertaker IS out of action, so he CAN NOT still go. Fact.

It's amazing how many fanboys the Undertaker created, I've never liked him. Blind as you may be though, he's injured for a pretty long time, he's dropping the world and there's no arguments that can help it.


Yes, you did. your exact words were:

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Undertaker IS old. The proof is that he got injured a month into his world title reign.
you can't denie that you said that. The reason we are having this argument is that ge MAY be old, but he can still go. Just because he got injured and will be out for a long time doesn't mean that he should hang it up.Look how badly Benoit got injured. Out for almost a year. Same with Edge. Should they hang it up? you have to realize that we aren't arguing because we are fanboy, we are arguing because you are WRONG. Is he injured, YES. Is he old, NOT REALLY (he's only 42). Should he quit Wrestling, HELL NO!

As for RVD, he should leave WWE. They aren't using him the way they should. Plus, the Jerry lynn feud could reignite. That would be awsome. An he could really help out the X-Division. AJ Styles vs. RVD. That would be such a great High-Flying Match.
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~Crow~
05/06/2007 02:38 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, the X-Division. Those X-Division guys I saw on Impact this week were out of sight! Oh wait, they weren't on TV this week. Whoops.
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gnrlies1992
05/06/2007 02:48 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Yeah, the X-Division. Those X-Division guys I saw on Impact this week were out of sight! Oh wait, they weren't on TV this week. Whoops.


Tee Hee
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firesnake
05/06/2007 04:42 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Yeah, the X-Division. Those X-Division guys I saw on Impact this week were out of sight! Oh wait, they weren't on TV this week. Whoops.

that's exactlly was i was saying and they are a lot more entertaning then the others their matches are a lot better to the only reason that the x division is where it is now is because i feel that they a neglecting the x divison but i can see rvd coming in and rasing it back when it was like aj joe and daniles
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~Crow~
05/06/2007 04:52 AM (UTC)
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firesnake Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
Yeah, the X-Division. Those X-Division guys I saw on Impact this week were out of sight! Oh wait, they weren't on TV this week. Whoops.

that's exactlly was i was saying and they are a lot more entertaning then the others their matches are a lot better to the only reason that the x division is where it is now is because i feel that they a neglecting the x divison but i can see rvd coming in and rasing it back when it was like aj joe and daniles


What makes you think that? TNA still have all three of those guys. The management is just taking a "don't care" attitude about that division, or at least that's how it seems to me. If they get RVD, they'll just hype him up when he first gets there, then bury him in hell because they already have more than enough wrestlers for their program. Either extend Impact to 2 hours (and they won't let it happen, TNA is losing money as it is... no way anyone will invest anything in them now) or stop signing everyone WWE releases.
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05/06/2007 04:59 AM (UTC)
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it's amazing when you try to make a point against someone elses and all of a sudden you're instantly branded "fanboy". but i digress and in fact do respect your opinion zent.

in other news...chris masters new "push" may find him in a program with the new i.c. champ and eventually he may even end up with the title. hopefully this doesn't pan out as i can think of at least 5 other people who would be more deserving.
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05/06/2007 05:30 AM (UTC)
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tna just pulled all roh talent. lame.
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gnrlies1992
05/06/2007 07:25 PM (UTC)
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*NEWS*

Marcus "Buff" Bagwell might sign an exclusive contract to a Local Federation Called GWA (Global Wrestling Alliance) in Lima. If this happens He will be there first MAJOR star, not including Cody "The Mullet" Deaner And John Moxley, which might be familiar to some of you. Buff is currently working out a lawsuit and is looking at the contract. He should be signed bey the next show in 2 months.

Just read this on GWA's myspace. Of which i am a "friend" and fan. I have gone to every WAR/GWA show in the past 2 years. They take place in LIMA, OHIO in ALLEN COUNTY. they take place in the UAW hall. if you are around this area i suggest you show up.
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TheMkGeek
05/06/2007 09:03 PM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
i'm sorry, but i just have to respond to this whole "taker is old and feeble but he can still hang but that's why he's out for six months" b.s. injuries in professional wrestling are apart of it all. yes, taker is old, and coincidentally in the best shape of his career. "BUT HE'S INJURED CAUSE HE'S OLD", you say? so i guess triple h by this same definition is an old fart who can't carry is own weight that's why his quad ripped. or rey mysterio is limping around because he's an old dog on his last legs......in his mid thirty's...... yeah..... i didn't hear nearly as much of this stuff around summerslam last year when hogan GOT UP OFF THE COUCH and messed himself up...the moral of this story is...wrestling catches up with you in the end. mid thirty's, late twenty's, late forty's, whatever. injuries don't care how old you are, if the preasure's there, it's gonna eventually break. the fact that the man got injured should not detract from the fact that he in fact can still go out there and put on a hell of a show.


Great Fuckin point Undertaker has always been my favroite and always will be for someone to jump off the turnbuckle st age like 49 or sumtin like that idk how old he great piont Detox


Taker's not 49, he's in his early 40's, I believe he just turned 41 or 42, and yes, by wrestling standards that does make you old, but hell, look at Hogan anf Flair, by wrestling standards they're like ancient compared to Taker and Triple H. Injuries happen to everyone regardless of age, and despite Zent's anti-Taker-Fanboy rant earlier, it doesn't matter how old you are. I repect Zent's oppinion on Taker, but his bias is what blinds him to the fact that even though Taker has taken a more lighter schedule, it shouldn't matter, hell, he's been in the business long enough that he deserves a ligher schedule should he chose it, and yet still proves, regardless of injruy, that he can still handle the full schedule. Any way, let's finally end this and agree to disagree:

1) Taker's old, yes it's true, but he's not so old that he can't wrestle any more

2) He got injured, so what? Wrestlers do get injured, it's a fact, and despite what Zent thinks, injurie have no age limits, just cause a wrestler is older, doesn't mean they're more prone to injury than younger guys, hell, Trips is younger than Flair, and in the last 7 years, has gotten injured more times than Flair, yet Flair's gotten injured more times in his career than Trips, but who is wrestling still?

3) Despite injury which, imo doesn't prove anmything, Taker proves that he can still handle the rigorous travel schedule. Hell, Nathon Jones and Lesner pussed out on the travel schedule and never even got injured!

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05/06/2007 09:06 PM (UTC)
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Sure, Taker can still hang. That's why he's on the shelf for six months, eh?

That doesn't prove anything. The fact that he's been going for as long as he has, non-stop I might add (this is actually the first time he's going to be out for an extended amount of time), proves that he can still hang. Injuries happen to everyone, it doesn't mean jack shit. Hell, look at Micheals as an example, he suffered what was then thought of as a career ending back injury in '97, and in 2002, came back stronger than ever, proving he could still go, so in 6 months, or whenever Taker comes back, he'll prove even more that he's still got it.
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Um, i love Taker, but i have to remind you of:

1.The whole Bad ass transition
2.the extended "exclusive at PPV's" taker
3. and then there was the Badass to Classic taker
4. and now there is this.


So what's your point? He was never out as long as 6 months in the transition between charaters, which proves my point that he's one of few that's enjoyed a long tenure in WWE non-stop, and yes he did take a lighter schedule but so what he still made appearances did he not?
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Zentile
05/07/2007 10:20 AM (UTC)
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gnrlies1992 Wrote:
Zentile Wrote:
It's a fact that he's OLD. It's also a fact that he got injured. I hardly related the two facts.

Well regardless, I dont even know why we're having this discussion. Undertaker IS old, that's a fact. Undertaker IS out of action, so he CAN NOT still go. Fact.

It's amazing how many fanboys the Undertaker created, I've never liked him. Blind as you may be though, he's injured for a pretty long time, he's dropping the world and there's no arguments that can help it.


Yes, you did. your exact words were:

Zentile Wrote:
Undertaker IS old. The proof is that he got injured a month into his world title reign.


It's not my fault if you cant reach english. I didn't say ''and vice versa'', so I never said that he got injured BECAUSE he's old (although it is part of the proof, just not entirely). I'm done with this quote.

You also mentioned that Benoit got injured real bad too. Now you people are missing the point. I'm not saying if you get injured, it absolutely means you're old and you should hang up your boots. That is OBVIOUSLY not what I'm saying. Undertaker IS old AND got injured. It's a combination of two facts you're not facing. Comparing Benoit's workrate and stamina to Undertaker's? Don't make me laugh. Benoit can actually put people over, while Undertaker just makes a return every once in a while to put away big guys who aren't in his league, like Heidenreich, Luther Reigns, Mark Henry, and so forth. And of course, he beat Batista aswell. Benoit is out there to put on great matches while still putting loads of guys over. Over the years he's done the job for Orlando fucking Jordan, Muhamad Hassan, Cena, Kennedy, and will soon be putting MVP over. The only person Undertaker did the job to was Khali and Randy Orton. Orton was already a former world champion and Khali is a giant who doesn't really need to squash the Undertaker in order to get over.


Tale of the tape:

a) I'm not saying if a wrestler gets injured, he's old.

b) Undertaker just happens to be old.

c) Undertaker hasn't really put anyone over like a real champion and worker should.

d) Undertaker got injured about a month into his world title reign.

e) I'd say that's proof that he's old.

f) I am not saying however, that it is the sole piece of evidence to Undertaker's age. There is also of course his ID card and birth certificate.

g) The arguments of the Undertaker's fans have been little more than ''Taker's AWESOME he can still go! I've always loved him! Therefore, logically, he's still great!''.

h) If you go to the hospital yourself and ask Undertaker if he can go, I think you'll find that the answer is ''NOOOOO, I'M RESTING...IN...,PIECE.''

i) Open your FUCKING eyes.

j) How am I being biased? What reasons do I have to be biased? Undertaker FANS have reasons to support the Undertaker till death, but I have nothing against the Undertaker - except that he kinda sucks, but I wish he was good. I wish what you guys are saying is the truth, but it's not. Why? Once again: Because he IS old, and he IS injured.
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~Crow~
05/07/2007 06:27 PM (UTC)
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All of you have been around here long enough to know how not to screw up the quotes. -_-

Anyway... yeah, I've read Masters is supposed to be the one who Marella will be facing tonight. Apparently the fued will eventually result with Masters becoming the IC champ. I'm not very familiar with Marella's in ring work, but I suppose we'll see tonight. Masters isn't the best, but at least he's already over as a heel. I have a bad feeling Marella will be getting dead silence, and that's never good. Putting the title on him this way is just a mistake in my opinion. The fan gimmick is just not very interesting.
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TheMkGeek
05/07/2007 09:13 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:

Anyway... yeah, I've read Masters is supposed to be the one who Marella will be facing tonight. Apparently the fued will eventually result with Masters becoming the IC champ. I'm not very familiar with Marella's in ring work, but I suppose we'll see tonight. Masters isn't the best, but at least he's already over as a heel. I have a bad feeling Marella will be getting dead silence, and that's never good. Putting the title on him this way is just a mistake in my opinion. The fan gimmick is just not very interesting.


Oh I don't know, I liked the idea of getting the belt off of Umaga, and thought it was hilarious that some unknown won the title, even thought Lashley helped. But I do agree that Masters will likely win the belt tonight, if that match is indeed on the card.

** TNA Sacrifice News/Card/Preview **
-- Here is the card for TNA Sacrifice:

*NWA champion Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle vs. Sting

*NWA Tag Team champions Team 3D vs. LAX vs. Tomko & Scott Steiner

*TNA X-Division champion Chris Sabin vs. Jay Lethal vs. Sonjay Dutt

*Chris Harris vs. James Storm - Texas Death Match

*Christopher Daniels vs. Rhino (Yet to be announced)

*Jeff Jarrett vs. Robert Roode

*Voodoo Kin Mafia vs. Christy Hemme's team of Damaja & Basham

*AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe (Advertised in some markets but not yet announced)

Source: PWInsider.com

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05/07/2007 10:15 PM (UTC)
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