cloneofdan •01/19/2007 01:40 AM (UTC) •
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Oh God, is this still going?
"Reptile"= a REPTILE. In MK / MKII / UMK3 he adopts a human disguise. That was his real form at that time. It was due to memory constraints, and the MK team cleverly incorporated that into the story.
That's all there is to it; saying "but the story's retroactive...the last thing said counts" just shows ignorance of how a linear storyline actually works. It's like a cheap get-out clause like "God works in mysterious ways". Just because you CAN use it as answer to everything doesn't mean it's true.
And as for that "Cage retcon" bollocks...I haven't seen anything that flat-out denies, in the MK story as shown in-game, that his death / resurrection in MKT and MK4 did not happen. The "Death of Johnny Cage" movie reference? Please. It took me joining here to see that it was actually viewed as a retcon by some, and not a piss-take as I assumed. It cannot be changed, as it was presented in MKT and MK4 as a bio screen and therefore FACT.
Of course, if in MKAs Cage bio it says he was in Tibet on business and didn't die whilst MK3 happened, then I guess it's further evidence that the MK team are actually incompotent...
"Reptile"= a REPTILE. In MK / MKII / UMK3 he adopts a human disguise. That was his real form at that time. It was due to memory constraints, and the MK team cleverly incorporated that into the story.
That's all there is to it; saying "but the story's retroactive...the last thing said counts" just shows ignorance of how a linear storyline actually works. It's like a cheap get-out clause like "God works in mysterious ways". Just because you CAN use it as answer to everything doesn't mean it's true.
And as for that "Cage retcon" bollocks...I haven't seen anything that flat-out denies, in the MK story as shown in-game, that his death / resurrection in MKT and MK4 did not happen. The "Death of Johnny Cage" movie reference? Please. It took me joining here to see that it was actually viewed as a retcon by some, and not a piss-take as I assumed. It cannot be changed, as it was presented in MKT and MK4 as a bio screen and therefore FACT.
Of course, if in MKAs Cage bio it says he was in Tibet on business and didn't die whilst MK3 happened, then I guess it's further evidence that the MK team are actually incompotent...
Syzoth •01/19/2007 04:07 AM (UTC) •
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cloneofdan Wrote:
Oh God, is this still going?
"Reptile"= a REPTILE. In MK / MKII / UMK3 he adopts a human disguise. That was his real form at that time. It was due to memory constraints, and the MK team cleverly incorporated that into the story.
Oh God, is this still going?
"Reptile"= a REPTILE. In MK / MKII / UMK3 he adopts a human disguise. That was his real form at that time. It was due to memory constraints, and the MK team cleverly incorporated that into the story.
Yeah, but cleverly doesn't appear in the MKSM's intro. So, MK Team changed that!!
cloneofdan Wrote:
That's all there is to it; saying "but the story's retroactive...the last thing said counts" just shows ignorance of how a linear storyline actually works. It's like a cheap get-out clause like "God works in mysterious ways". Just because you CAN use it as answer to everything doesn't mean it's true.
That's all there is to it; saying "but the story's retroactive...the last thing said counts" just shows ignorance of how a linear storyline actually works. It's like a cheap get-out clause like "God works in mysterious ways". Just because you CAN use it as answer to everything doesn't mean it's true.
Oh, so you have the true. Are you god?
cloneofdan Wrote:
And as for that "Cage retcon" bollocks...I haven't seen anything that flat-out denies, in the MK story as shown in-game, that his death / resurrection in MKT and MK4 did not happen. The "Death of Johnny Cage" movie reference? Please. It took me joining here to see that it was actually viewed as a retcon by some, and not a piss-take as I assumed. It cannot be changed, as it was presented in MKT and MK4 as a bio screen and therefore FACT.
And as for that "Cage retcon" bollocks...I haven't seen anything that flat-out denies, in the MK story as shown in-game, that his death / resurrection in MKT and MK4 did not happen. The "Death of Johnny Cage" movie reference? Please. It took me joining here to see that it was actually viewed as a retcon by some, and not a piss-take as I assumed. It cannot be changed, as it was presented in MKT and MK4 as a bio screen and therefore FACT.
Ok, so answer this question:
Why Raiden didn't resurrect Liu Kang?.
XiahouDun84 •01/19/2007 04:51 AM (UTC) •
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-Reptile- Wrote:
Ok, so answer this question:
Why Raiden didn't resurrect Liu Kang?
Ok, so answer this question:
Why Raiden didn't resurrect Liu Kang?
Well he did...sort of. Why not completely....because Shang Tsung had stolen Liu Kang's soul after killing him.
And judging Kang's Deception ending, once his soul was free, Raiden could resurrect him fully.
Syzoth •01/19/2007 05:28 AM (UTC) •
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
And judging Kang's Deception ending, once his soul was free, Raiden could resurrect him fully.
And judging Kang's Deception ending, once his soul was free, Raiden could resurrect him fully.
if it is thus, Raiden must die.
It was said that a lot of characters are going to die in Mortal Kombat Armageddon. So ,If a lot of the good guys are going to die, then Raiden must disappear. Imagine Raiden resurrecting people all the time.
if it is not thus, Raiden will be in MK8.
Jerrod •01/19/2007 04:23 PM (UTC) •
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That's it, I hate to say this, but this is no longer a discussion, but a one-sided argument that certain users aren't getting at all. I'm going to be 100% clear on this, not because I'm some dumb-ass authority figure on a forum, nor becasue I'm an MK fan, but because of the facts within the canon storyline, and if people cannot acknowledge these facts, then they are just plain stubborn.
1.Reptile's MK2 bio: As Shang Tsung's personal protector the elusive Reptile lurks in the shadows stopping all those who would do his master harm. His human form is believed to disguise a horrid reptilian creature whose race was thought extinct millions of years ago.
His human form is a disguise, just like Scorpion's is a disguise (there's flesh on his mask, even though we all know that his head has no skin on in).
This is Reptile as he appeared in MK2.
Notice how he looks like a reptilian creature with human limbs; now look at this picture.
That's him with his mask on. See how he has pink, human flesh on face despite the fact that without his mask, where his eyes would be, there are actually green scales? It's because that pink, human flesh is not real, and part of the mask; therefore, if his face appears human with the mask, but reptilian without, then that means that his human limbs are also covered in fake skin.
About the mask part again, the same can be said about Scorpion.
and
Notice how Scorpion and Reptile both even have different eyes with their masks on and off respcetively; it's because they're disguises.
There is no human Reptile at all, never was, and never will be. Even calling him "humanoid" in appearence to distinguish between his ninja looks and his 3-D looks is dumb because, as reference.com points out that...
Usually, a fictional humanoid species has the same basic body outline as a human, being bipedal with hands which include fingers and opposable thumbs, but differs in details such as number of digits, coloring, ear form, presence of hair, average height and weight, size of nose, form of skin, "extras" such as horns, plates, claws, tails or multiple appendages, limb structure (such as having digitigrade legs) and taxonomic lineage (being descended from reptiles, fish, rodents, marsupials, or a phylum not evolved on Earth, perhaps, instead of primates). Reptilian humanoids are a common concept.
If you don't know what all of that means, it says that as all of the characters in MK but Motaro can be classified as humanoid, this includes Reptile. His whole de-evolution storyline has him changing to a more primal form, but he is still humanoid.
-Reptile-, I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people change clothes. That's right, whenever people decide that they don't feel like wearing the same outfit over and over again, they decide to remove these clothes and replace them with other clothes. Everyone does this, and if people don't then that sucks for them. Reptile lived with a rich and powerful sorceror and emporer, and he was/is considered a valuable soldier in their ranks, especially when he was Shang's personal protector, so odds are he has different clothes he could wear for different occasions. Do you know what that means? It means that Reptile can look any way that he wants any time that he wants, and in MK:SM, he decided to look like a Reptile so that stupid people wouldn't ask him dumb questions like "if I eat as many vegetables as you, will I turn green and get a giant tongue and spit acid?", and he decided to show off that he was reptilian more because for once in Midway's life, they were able to emphasize the fact that Reptile was indeed a reptile, and not a generic ninja clone. That's it, that's all.
I'm going to say everything I wrote up there again. Reptile is a Raptor, a being who evolved into a humanoid from the dinosaus on Earth, but the species was forced to flee when Shinnok and Raiden decided that a war would be fun in Earthrealm, and the Raptors had to go to a new realm, which they dubbed "Zaterra". Then Outworld took over the realm and made the Raptors slaves. Then they were driven to extinction. Then Reptile started becoming more dinosaur-like because he was away from his Matriarch. That is his entire storyline. He is a reptile, always has been, always will be, end of story.
Also, about that stupid intro for MK:SM that certain people hail as "canon". Read the MK1 and MK2 comic first, then come back and tell me exactly what's canon and what isn't. In fact, don't bother, I'll tell you exactly what happened.
Liu Kang whupped Goro, and hard, and then went after Shang Tsung. That's right, Liu Kang beat Goro alone, and in Earthrealm too.
Goro wasn't killed because Liu Kang's too nice a guy to go all-out and kill people, so Goro was unconscious until Sonya, Johnny Cage, and Kano came by, and the three humans fought the four-armed humanoid for a good while.
While that was going on, Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion, all together, fought against Shang Tsung's army because Shang got too pissed at the fact that his champion lost to Liu Kang. We don't see Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion fight, but we learn from Raiden later on that Scorpion did kill Sub-Zero while that was happening.
Liu Kang beat Shang Tsung, and because of this, Shang Tsung's essence no longer existed in Earthrealm; this is why he is given a completely different body by Shao Kahn, so that he can venture to Earthrealm and lure the heroes to competeing in Outworld and face Shao Kahn himself.
The island falls apart after Shang's defeated; Goro, Kano, and Sonya stay trapped in Outworld, while Johnny Cage is saved by Raiden, and brought back to Earthrealm, where he is then rescued by a pissed-off Jax, demanding to know everything about Sonya and why she's missing.
That's the canon intro to MK2; MK:SM is just a game to bank off of MK's (specifically MK2's) popular storyline and nothing more. The events of MK:SM are not canon because they do not make sense in any way, shape, and form, given the rest of the events that have happened in the series from MK3 on.
End of story, and end of thread.
1.Reptile's MK2 bio: As Shang Tsung's personal protector the elusive Reptile lurks in the shadows stopping all those who would do his master harm. His human form is believed to disguise a horrid reptilian creature whose race was thought extinct millions of years ago.
His human form is a disguise, just like Scorpion's is a disguise (there's flesh on his mask, even though we all know that his head has no skin on in).
This is Reptile as he appeared in MK2.
Notice how he looks like a reptilian creature with human limbs; now look at this picture.
That's him with his mask on. See how he has pink, human flesh on face despite the fact that without his mask, where his eyes would be, there are actually green scales? It's because that pink, human flesh is not real, and part of the mask; therefore, if his face appears human with the mask, but reptilian without, then that means that his human limbs are also covered in fake skin.
About the mask part again, the same can be said about Scorpion.
and
Notice how Scorpion and Reptile both even have different eyes with their masks on and off respcetively; it's because they're disguises.
There is no human Reptile at all, never was, and never will be. Even calling him "humanoid" in appearence to distinguish between his ninja looks and his 3-D looks is dumb because, as reference.com points out that...
Usually, a fictional humanoid species has the same basic body outline as a human, being bipedal with hands which include fingers and opposable thumbs, but differs in details such as number of digits, coloring, ear form, presence of hair, average height and weight, size of nose, form of skin, "extras" such as horns, plates, claws, tails or multiple appendages, limb structure (such as having digitigrade legs) and taxonomic lineage (being descended from reptiles, fish, rodents, marsupials, or a phylum not evolved on Earth, perhaps, instead of primates). Reptilian humanoids are a common concept.
If you don't know what all of that means, it says that as all of the characters in MK but Motaro can be classified as humanoid, this includes Reptile. His whole de-evolution storyline has him changing to a more primal form, but he is still humanoid.
-Reptile-, I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people change clothes. That's right, whenever people decide that they don't feel like wearing the same outfit over and over again, they decide to remove these clothes and replace them with other clothes. Everyone does this, and if people don't then that sucks for them. Reptile lived with a rich and powerful sorceror and emporer, and he was/is considered a valuable soldier in their ranks, especially when he was Shang's personal protector, so odds are he has different clothes he could wear for different occasions. Do you know what that means? It means that Reptile can look any way that he wants any time that he wants, and in MK:SM, he decided to look like a Reptile so that stupid people wouldn't ask him dumb questions like "if I eat as many vegetables as you, will I turn green and get a giant tongue and spit acid?", and he decided to show off that he was reptilian more because for once in Midway's life, they were able to emphasize the fact that Reptile was indeed a reptile, and not a generic ninja clone. That's it, that's all.
I'm going to say everything I wrote up there again. Reptile is a Raptor, a being who evolved into a humanoid from the dinosaus on Earth, but the species was forced to flee when Shinnok and Raiden decided that a war would be fun in Earthrealm, and the Raptors had to go to a new realm, which they dubbed "Zaterra". Then Outworld took over the realm and made the Raptors slaves. Then they were driven to extinction. Then Reptile started becoming more dinosaur-like because he was away from his Matriarch. That is his entire storyline. He is a reptile, always has been, always will be, end of story.
Also, about that stupid intro for MK:SM that certain people hail as "canon". Read the MK1 and MK2 comic first, then come back and tell me exactly what's canon and what isn't. In fact, don't bother, I'll tell you exactly what happened.
Liu Kang whupped Goro, and hard, and then went after Shang Tsung. That's right, Liu Kang beat Goro alone, and in Earthrealm too.
Goro wasn't killed because Liu Kang's too nice a guy to go all-out and kill people, so Goro was unconscious until Sonya, Johnny Cage, and Kano came by, and the three humans fought the four-armed humanoid for a good while.
While that was going on, Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion, all together, fought against Shang Tsung's army because Shang got too pissed at the fact that his champion lost to Liu Kang. We don't see Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion fight, but we learn from Raiden later on that Scorpion did kill Sub-Zero while that was happening.
Liu Kang beat Shang Tsung, and because of this, Shang Tsung's essence no longer existed in Earthrealm; this is why he is given a completely different body by Shao Kahn, so that he can venture to Earthrealm and lure the heroes to competeing in Outworld and face Shao Kahn himself.
The island falls apart after Shang's defeated; Goro, Kano, and Sonya stay trapped in Outworld, while Johnny Cage is saved by Raiden, and brought back to Earthrealm, where he is then rescued by a pissed-off Jax, demanding to know everything about Sonya and why she's missing.
That's the canon intro to MK2; MK:SM is just a game to bank off of MK's (specifically MK2's) popular storyline and nothing more. The events of MK:SM are not canon because they do not make sense in any way, shape, and form, given the rest of the events that have happened in the series from MK3 on.
End of story, and end of thread.
Syzoth •01/19/2007 07:02 PM (UTC) •
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I don't want to cause troubles, but the thread has not been closed, and i want to say one more thing.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
-Reptile- Wrote:
I don't want to cause troubles, but the thread has not been closed, and i want to say one more thing.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
I don't want to cause troubles, but the thread has not been closed, and i want to say one more thing.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
If im correct Sub-Zero has a scar because thats the mark the Lin Kuie gave him before turning him into a cyborg, then he escaped, thus still having the mark they left him with.
so theres just another part of SM thats NOT cannon.
themkwarrior •01/19/2007 08:50 PM (UTC) •
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Alkaline Wrote:
If im correct Sub-Zero has a scar because thats the mark the Lin Kuie gave him before turning him into a cyborg, then he escaped, thus still having the mark they left him with.
so theres just another part of SM thats NOT cannon.
-Reptile- Wrote:
I don't want to cause troubles, but the thread has not been closed, and i want to say one more thing.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
I don't want to cause troubles, but the thread has not been closed, and i want to say one more thing.
To me it's a fact that some things are canon in MKSM's, things like Sub- Zero''s scar - it was done by Kung Lao - ( I didn't say that, members from MK Team did it in the FNC), and i think that the intro is one of them.
The comics are not canon at all, for example: Tao The Zan book ;characters like Siang; Sub-Zero handing to Liu Kang a Lin Kuei card at the time that he arrives to see his shaolin monks temple in ruins (WTF), etc.
About Reptile: It s not only that simple saying: "he changes clothes when he wants to do it". Because he can't put his feets in that classic ninja costume.
Maybe Shang Tsung used (or maybe Kahn) his magic to transform certain parts of Reptile's body (like the feets, for example). But the only thing we can do is only to speculate.
Sorry, it was not my intention to cause you troubles.
If im correct Sub-Zero has a scar because thats the mark the Lin Kuie gave him before turning him into a cyborg, then he escaped, thus still having the mark they left him with.
so theres just another part of SM thats NOT cannon.
Just because it said the Lin Kuei marked for death, it doesn't mean they literally marked him.
PsychoFight •01/20/2007 01:26 AM (UTC) •
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Yeah, well, whichever way..........the MKSM costumes for every character were vastly superior to the many pallette swaps we got. So, yeah, Reptile's a humanoid.....but everyone else keeps the costume they had in MKSM.
It was just better in terms of character design.
It was just better in terms of character design.
Of course Reptile was never human. All Reptile did was take on a human form to disguise his true form from all the other warriors. It wasn't until Mortal Kombat 4 that his human form started to wear away and start deevolving into what he really looked like possibly in MKDA. I hate that look anyway. But now in MKA since the reintroduction of Chameleon, and an unknown female of his species, possibly Khameleon, He started evolving back into his human disguise. But Reptile was never really human, he just looked human to fool his opponents.
-Sub-Zer0 •01/20/2007 07:19 AM (UTC) •
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im tired of reading this so listen to me when i say Reptile was Digused as a Human havent youguys betan the game or done the fatalities on MK2/UMK3 but it is weird that on MK1 he looks alot like sub zero and scorpion...and thats human right there...well he had odd coloring.
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omg...............i thought this was cleared up, o well
reptile was, is and will be, a human-like dinosaur decendent. some scientist think that some dinosaurs with larger more advanced brains like troidon would evolve into human like organisms. but it is only a hypothosis.
from my understanding, reptile wore a false face like scorpion as did the other surviving people of his scecies like kameleon and cameleon. they wore the 'masks' to blend in with the humans, so they could stay safe from shao kahn's genocide. you can see reptiles real appearence when he dose fatalities that he has to take off his mask as well as the primary and alternate costumes he had in mk4/mkg
with his mind maddening from being away from the saurion matriare, he was unable to hold the illusion of human form and he 'devolved' into a more lizard looking appearence. his deadly aliance look was taken over by onaga in deception and his body was made to look like onaga's. when he was exorcised by a unknown methiod [plot hole] he reverted to his humanoid appearence because that is what he looked like origionally, but not having a human mask, he must show what he really looks like.
i hope that cleared it up[edit; i didn't read page four until after i posted sorry jerrod]
reptile was, is and will be, a human-like dinosaur decendent. some scientist think that some dinosaurs with larger more advanced brains like troidon would evolve into human like organisms. but it is only a hypothosis.
from my understanding, reptile wore a false face like scorpion as did the other surviving people of his scecies like kameleon and cameleon. they wore the 'masks' to blend in with the humans, so they could stay safe from shao kahn's genocide. you can see reptiles real appearence when he dose fatalities that he has to take off his mask as well as the primary and alternate costumes he had in mk4/mkg
with his mind maddening from being away from the saurion matriare, he was unable to hold the illusion of human form and he 'devolved' into a more lizard looking appearence. his deadly aliance look was taken over by onaga in deception and his body was made to look like onaga's. when he was exorcised by a unknown methiod [plot hole] he reverted to his humanoid appearence because that is what he looked like origionally, but not having a human mask, he must show what he really looks like.
i hope that cleared it up[edit; i didn't read page four until after i posted sorry jerrod]
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