JustinRex •07/09/2008 03:02 PM (UTC) •
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Ninja_Mime •07/09/2008 05:41 PM (UTC) •
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Sorry for my comment on lesbians. I was trying to be funny, but I came off offensive instead. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
Now on to a different topic. If this game has Power Girl, then I can see why Ed Boon and company decided to make Sonya masculine. Power Girl is another blonde female, and to differentiate the two, one could be masculine and the other more feminine.
I just wish it could be the other way around.
Now on to a different topic. If this game has Power Girl, then I can see why Ed Boon and company decided to make Sonya masculine. Power Girl is another blonde female, and to differentiate the two, one could be masculine and the other more feminine.
I just wish it could be the other way around.
JustinRex •07/09/2008 05:52 PM (UTC) •
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Jesus H. Christ on Rubber Stilts!
So the HELL what if Sonya looks a little butch.
She's not supposed to be a goddamn damsel in distress (despite what the movies will have you believe...("My friends will come" in MK, and Jax needing to rescue her from Ermac in MK:A)
She can kick any of our asses. And you're arguing that she should be hotter? Look, if Ed Boon thought that she should be hot, he'd have said "make her hotter." He and John Tobias created the character, and Ed has the right to decide what direction she takes.
I cannot believe there are so many immature people who care about nothing more than the fact that Sonya's ponytail isn't visible and her face doesn't look like a supermodel's and henceforth, they're unable to get their jollies off.
OH WELL!
Stick to the goddamn issue of the render, not whether or not you personally find her attractive.
The next thing you know someone will be complaining that she's actually fighting in the game as opposed to cooking him dinner!
So the HELL what if Sonya looks a little butch.
She's not supposed to be a goddamn damsel in distress (despite what the movies will have you believe...("My friends will come" in MK, and Jax needing to rescue her from Ermac in MK:A)
She can kick any of our asses. And you're arguing that she should be hotter? Look, if Ed Boon thought that she should be hot, he'd have said "make her hotter." He and John Tobias created the character, and Ed has the right to decide what direction she takes.
I cannot believe there are so many immature people who care about nothing more than the fact that Sonya's ponytail isn't visible and her face doesn't look like a supermodel's and henceforth, they're unable to get their jollies off.
OH WELL!
Stick to the goddamn issue of the render, not whether or not you personally find her attractive.
The next thing you know someone will be complaining that she's actually fighting in the game as opposed to cooking him dinner!
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danadbab Wrote:
i dont like my men w/ Boobs :-X
i dont like my men w/ Boobs :-X
DrCube Wrote:
Sonya's the hottest tranny this cowboy's ever seen.
Sonya's the hottest tranny this cowboy's ever seen.
omglolbbqfbifrogsplashlolroflunkle you love man!
Whoa dude, you totally "burned" me.
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
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You'll have to clarify this part, as I don't speak ebonics.
TemperaryUserName New sig on the way •07/09/2008 06:09 PM (UTC) •
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Kinetic Wrote:
Jesus H. Christ on Rubber Stilts!
So the HELL what if Sonya looks a little butch.
She's not supposed to be a goddamn damsel in distress (despite what the movies will have you believe...("My friends will come" in MK, and Jax needing to rescue her from Ermac in MK:A)
She can kick any of our asses. And you're arguing that she should be hotter? Look, if Ed Boon thought that she should be hot, he'd have said "make her hotter." He and John Tobias created the character, and Ed has the right to decide what direction she takes.
I cannot believe there are so many immature people who care about nothing more than the fact that Sonya's ponytail isn't visible and her face doesn't look like a supermodel's and henceforth, they're unable to get their jollies off.
OH WELL!
Stick to the goddamn issue of the render, not whether or not you personally find her attractive.
The next thing you know someone will be complaining that she's actually fighting in the game as opposed to cooking him dinner!
Jesus H. Christ on Rubber Stilts!
So the HELL what if Sonya looks a little butch.
She's not supposed to be a goddamn damsel in distress (despite what the movies will have you believe...("My friends will come" in MK, and Jax needing to rescue her from Ermac in MK:A)
She can kick any of our asses. And you're arguing that she should be hotter? Look, if Ed Boon thought that she should be hot, he'd have said "make her hotter." He and John Tobias created the character, and Ed has the right to decide what direction she takes.
I cannot believe there are so many immature people who care about nothing more than the fact that Sonya's ponytail isn't visible and her face doesn't look like a supermodel's and henceforth, they're unable to get their jollies off.
OH WELL!
Stick to the goddamn issue of the render, not whether or not you personally find her attractive.
The next thing you know someone will be complaining that she's actually fighting in the game as opposed to cooking him dinner!
Perhaps some of the motives behind the criticisms are misguided. Won't argue with that.
But the fact that her "masculine" face is inconsistent with all the past renderings of Sonya is a fair criticiscm. Fiction is suppose to suspend belief. How are we suppose to do that if characters are going to change facial structure for no reason?
WarriorPrincess •07/09/2008 06:12 PM (UTC) •
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Kinetic, you're calling people immature because they don't like Sonya's facial features? That sounds immature to me. Everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion of the released renders, whether those critiques be good or bad. I for one like Sonya, but I am not going to sit here and act as if this render of her is perfect because its not. Yes, I am satisfied with her costume, and over all design, but as it has been said more than once, her face is fugly (in the render that is) The in game shot of her looks great though. And its not about getting jollies off. I am female and I am not attracted to Sonya in any way shape of form, doesn't mean I don't want a Sonya that looks her absolute best.
WarriorPrincess Wrote:
Kinetic, you're calling people immature because they don't like Sonya's facial features? That sounds immature to me. Everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion of the released renders, whether those critiques be good or bad. I for one like Sonya, but I am not going to sit here and act as if this render of her is perfect because its not. Yes, I am satisfied with her costume, and over all design, but as it has been said more than once, her face is fugly (in the render that is) The in game shot of her looks great though. And its not about getting jollies off. I am female and I am not attracted to Sonya in any way shape of form, doesn't mean I don't want a Sonya that looks her absolute best.
Kinetic, you're calling people immature because they don't like Sonya's facial features? That sounds immature to me. Everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion of the released renders, whether those critiques be good or bad. I for one like Sonya, but I am not going to sit here and act as if this render of her is perfect because its not. Yes, I am satisfied with her costume, and over all design, but as it has been said more than once, her face is fugly (in the render that is) The in game shot of her looks great though. And its not about getting jollies off. I am female and I am not attracted to Sonya in any way shape of form, doesn't mean I don't want a Sonya that looks her absolute best.
If i Wasn't clear I apologize. Being critical of her appearance and calling her ugly is one thing, which is a fair criticism. But a lot of people here are coming across as misogynist, comments calling her a man and or a butch lesbian, because they don't find her personally attractive are immature. Personally, I agree with you, I think she's damn ugly. But a lot of the people complaining are not complaining in a way that indicates anything other than a "if she's a girl she must be sexy" viewpoint.
There's a difference between sonya looking her best, and sonya looking like a supermodel.
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Perhaps some of the motives behind the criticisms are misguided. Won't argue with that.
But the fact that her "masculine" face is inconsistent with all the past renderings of Sonya is a fair criticiscm. Fiction is suppose to suspend belief. How are we suppose to do that if characters are going to change facial structure for no reason?
Perhaps some of the motives behind the criticisms are misguided. Won't argue with that.
But the fact that her "masculine" face is inconsistent with all the past renderings of Sonya is a fair criticiscm. Fiction is suppose to suspend belief. How are we suppose to do that if characters are going to change facial structure for no reason?
You're right, that is a fair criticism. And many of us do long for the Kerri Hoskins days (myself included). And I have no problem with people wanting some consistency. I do have a problem with people complaining that she's not sexy.
That would be like me complaining that Batman wasn't gay enough. Maybe it's my personal opinion that his costume should be pink and he should wear lipstick as an homage to all the jokes about what he and robin do in the batcave. Except that Batman isn't supposed to be gay. Similarly Maybe Sonya isn't supposed to be sexually feminine as some people are suggesting she should be.
It's all about how you complain. Complaining because "she doesn't look her best" or "she's not consistent with previous versions" are one thing. But complaining because Sonya's "not sexy enough" or "looks like a man, and therefore doesn't fit my personal taste" or "doesn't have sexy hair" is too bad...that's like me complaining because Kitana doesn't have red hair, because I think red hair is sexy.
After my initial happiness with finally seeing Sonya’s render, I’ve got to add this bit of my feelings to this subject:
WHY DID THEY MAKE HER FACE LOOK SOO HARD! It should had been softer like her ingame model!! Sure I still think this is the best Sonya ever and I honestly think she looks pretty/sexy/wicked, but they did SCREW UP with the face by making it soo hard. She could had looked BETTER!
Just because a woman is tough doesn’t mean she cant be really really beautiful. I know the important thing is the in-game model, but still, the artist who did this must already KNOW a female shouldnt have such strong features:
THIS is Sonya:
Horrible mistake MK Team. With that said:
I 100% agree. To me, she looks her best in this game, but as far as her render faces go, I still think the Mk3, Mk4 and Mk5 models are her best! But this one has a pretty face, sexy hair and awesome glare. Im overall happy, but dissapointed as well. Oh well.
What is it with them screwing up the render pics? They messed up the human faces in MKSM as well, Liu and Kung Lao also looked horrible there, in MKA they messed up Sareena (well, in game), in MKDA you have a messed up Kitana, Li Mei and in MKD you have Kira (well, in game too)....whats their problem?
I 100% agree as well, except with the part of Sonya looking ugly. I definitely think she looks waay too hard on the face and her features should be more feminine, but that doesnt make her ugly.
And still, that doesnt mean they did justice to her beautiful character. So its not perfect, at all.
At least the ingame model is BEAUTIFUL!
Im honestly happy with the overall render, but very dissapointed with their lack of attention and detail on her face. She should look more pretty, more feminine.
With that said: She looks badass+sexy!
WHY DID THEY MAKE HER FACE LOOK SOO HARD! It should had been softer like her ingame model!! Sure I still think this is the best Sonya ever and I honestly think she looks pretty/sexy/wicked, but they did SCREW UP with the face by making it soo hard. She could had looked BETTER!
Just because a woman is tough doesn’t mean she cant be really really beautiful. I know the important thing is the in-game model, but still, the artist who did this must already KNOW a female shouldnt have such strong features:
THIS is Sonya:
Horrible mistake MK Team. With that said:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Perhaps some of the motives behind the criticisms are misguided. Won't argue with that.
But the fact that her "masculine" face is inconsistent with all the past renderings of Sonya is a fair criticiscm. Fiction is suppose to suspend belief. How are we suppose to do that if characters are going to change facial structure for no reason?
Perhaps some of the motives behind the criticisms are misguided. Won't argue with that.
But the fact that her "masculine" face is inconsistent with all the past renderings of Sonya is a fair criticiscm. Fiction is suppose to suspend belief. How are we suppose to do that if characters are going to change facial structure for no reason?
I 100% agree. To me, she looks her best in this game, but as far as her render faces go, I still think the Mk3, Mk4 and Mk5 models are her best! But this one has a pretty face, sexy hair and awesome glare. Im overall happy, but dissapointed as well. Oh well.
What is it with them screwing up the render pics? They messed up the human faces in MKSM as well, Liu and Kung Lao also looked horrible there, in MKA they messed up Sareena (well, in game), in MKDA you have a messed up Kitana, Li Mei and in MKD you have Kira (well, in game too)....whats their problem?
WarriorPrincess Wrote:
Kinetic, you're calling people immature because they don't like Sonya's facial features? That sounds immature to me. Everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion of the released renders, whether those critiques be good or bad. I for one like Sonya, but I am not going to sit here and act as if this render of her is perfect because its not. Yes, I am satisfied with her costume, and over all design, but as it has been said more than once, her face is fugly (in the render that is) The in game shot of her looks great though. And its not about getting jollies off. I am female and I am not attracted to Sonya in any way shape of form, doesn't mean I don't want a Sonya that looks her absolute best.
Kinetic, you're calling people immature because they don't like Sonya's facial features? That sounds immature to me. Everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion of the released renders, whether those critiques be good or bad. I for one like Sonya, but I am not going to sit here and act as if this render of her is perfect because its not. Yes, I am satisfied with her costume, and over all design, but as it has been said more than once, her face is fugly (in the render that is) The in game shot of her looks great though. And its not about getting jollies off. I am female and I am not attracted to Sonya in any way shape of form, doesn't mean I don't want a Sonya that looks her absolute best.
I 100% agree as well, except with the part of Sonya looking ugly. I definitely think she looks waay too hard on the face and her features should be more feminine, but that doesnt make her ugly.
And still, that doesnt mean they did justice to her beautiful character. So its not perfect, at all.
At least the ingame model is BEAUTIFUL!
Im honestly happy with the overall render, but very dissapointed with their lack of attention and detail on her face. She should look more pretty, more feminine.
With that said: She looks badass+sexy!
King_Of_Edenia •07/09/2008 07:28 PM (UTC) •
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I love her outfit and pose. I agree that this has been her best outfit to date.
But...Idk, when I saw her face, it reminded me of that female wrestling chick, Chyna or what ever her name is. The long pony tail like she had in MK 4 and the first movie would have done this render more justice, along with a rounder face. Then again ever since DA, Mk has always given their women manish/ drag queen looking faces.
And the whole thong tan lines and nipples poking out, I don't see why people are getting so worked up over it. Who cares if her nipples are poking out. The girls have their muscle men with their bulges and the guys have their ladies in skimpy out fits and nipples showing. It evens out.
But...Idk, when I saw her face, it reminded me of that female wrestling chick, Chyna or what ever her name is. The long pony tail like she had in MK 4 and the first movie would have done this render more justice, along with a rounder face. Then again ever since DA, Mk has always given their women manish/ drag queen looking faces.
And the whole thong tan lines and nipples poking out, I don't see why people are getting so worked up over it. Who cares if her nipples are poking out. The girls have their muscle men with their bulges and the guys have their ladies in skimpy out fits and nipples showing. It evens out.
JustinRex Wrote:
well i would much rather her looking like she's a 50 year old with too much Botox then a Trans gender with a 5 o'clock shadow!!
well i would much rather her looking like she's a 50 year old with too much Botox then a Trans gender with a 5 o'clock shadow!!
I totally agree!
TO THOSE WHO ARE EASILY OFFENDED: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being transgender: it just doesn't work for Sonya.
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It's not really about unattractiveness, Kinetic. MK1 Sonya doesn't look attractive, but at least she doesn't look like a man.
I'm sorry, but when you look at that render, there should be no way you can reconcile it with a woman. The bushy eyebrows, angular eyes hidden with shoddy mascara, articulated square cheeks and jaw, pug nose...
Go on, try covering up any part to make it look more womanly, and you'll see you can't. It's really THAT bad. It's probably the worst render Midway has ever done.
That's a real shame since the costume and design idea is fairly good for Sonya. The beret and bangs for example.
I'm sorry, but when you look at that render, there should be no way you can reconcile it with a woman. The bushy eyebrows, angular eyes hidden with shoddy mascara, articulated square cheeks and jaw, pug nose...
Go on, try covering up any part to make it look more womanly, and you'll see you can't. It's really THAT bad. It's probably the worst render Midway has ever done.
That's a real shame since the costume and design idea is fairly good for Sonya. The beret and bangs for example.
mkflegend •07/09/2008 07:44 PM (UTC) •
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Deathbearer Wrote:
Yeah...if there's one thing I can't stand it's emo kids..I had to stop myself from beating the shit out of an emo kid once just because he was standing near me and being all emo with his emo pants and his emo hair and..arg..hate.
lol yeah no bulge for me thanks ^_^ makes me wanna kick that boyscout bastard in the balls.
mkflegend Wrote:
Kind of like the whole "emo" scene and "having underage sex of late".....too many fads honestly, even though I'm sure people like you and me wouldn't want to see Supes package, there's plenty of girls and gay guys on here I'm sure that wouldn't mind it lol
Deathbearer Wrote:
Well with some people the bi thing is just a fad from what I can tell.
I don't see the need to market to any orientations at all, it's a fighting game not a fashion magazine. Just make a good fighting game people will wanna play and you shouldn't have to worry about orientation.
They're wearing pants you really wouldn't notice it anyways...and I would seriously stop playing MK if they did that. Bulge from Superman is bad enough as it is don't make it worse.
Well with some people the bi thing is just a fad from what I can tell.
I don't see the need to market to any orientations at all, it's a fighting game not a fashion magazine. Just make a good fighting game people will wanna play and you shouldn't have to worry about orientation.
They're wearing pants you really wouldn't notice it anyways...and I would seriously stop playing MK if they did that. Bulge from Superman is bad enough as it is don't make it worse.
Kind of like the whole "emo" scene and "having underage sex of late".....too many fads honestly, even though I'm sure people like you and me wouldn't want to see Supes package, there's plenty of girls and gay guys on here I'm sure that wouldn't mind it lol
Yeah...if there's one thing I can't stand it's emo kids..I had to stop myself from beating the shit out of an emo kid once just because he was standing near me and being all emo with his emo pants and his emo hair and..arg..hate.
lol yeah no bulge for me thanks ^_^ makes me wanna kick that boyscout bastard in the balls.
Ohh, well I just want to establish I have no beef with the REAL Emo kids, in fact I have a few friends that are emo online and one offline, they're cool as anyone. But rather the silly, dumb fad as you said of the "wanna bes" reminds me of back in the 90's when every shithead in H.S. tried being a "badass" by posing as the "gansta wannbe G" shit with the doorags, trying to be the bloods or krypts...so weak IMO lol.
So pretty much I just can't stand "wanna bes" there's some emos on here that are cool and really are the real deal, the wanna bes however I just mock honestly. Just be yourself I say...
As far as the bulge, I agree dude lol. I'm sure it would amuse gay/big and girls perhaps but I just won't pay any mind to it.
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Still not a huge Sonya fan, but it looks okay. I think the masculine face criticism is a bit overstated. I see where people are coming from, but it doesn't seem that bad to me.
But as I said for Smoke in MKD, why so little clothing? The costume is bland. I could swear she had a jacket in the in-game screenshots. Sonya is a fucking soldier. You can make women beautiful without putting them in a transparent tank top (Catwoman came out alright, minus the goggles). Sareena and Li Mei are understandable, especially since the latter was made under the agenda of a sex appeal character. It's all about story context
Anyone else see air conditioning vents on her kneecaps? Oh well.
It's better than the Kim Basinger MKDA costume. The face reminds me more of her MK4 model, which is good I guess. I don't know. I just don't really feel strongly either way.
Please, no more MK1 characters. Rayden will probably make it in, and hopefully that will be the end of it.
SEVERE UNDERSTATEMENT!! lol but that's to be expected, this is the "MK fanbase" we're talking about here in which at times I'm almost embarrassed to say I love MK hardcore because of some fans that worry about the most trivial, laughable nonsense from Flash's "lips" to Sonya's "hard edge face" who the hell cares? lol it's a damn concept pic, the in game looks way better and you can see Sonya's cuteness easily, ya know? So, I totally agree with you, Queve and Kinetic. When it comes to "certain MK fans" so they say, there is never any level of satisfaction.... It's also like someone else covered, Sonya isn't "a super model" so really....to obsess to this level about her face like some are IMO is boardline retarded lol. No offense to anyone but really....again T R I V I A L. LaterStill not a huge Sonya fan, but it looks okay. I think the masculine face criticism is a bit overstated. I see where people are coming from, but it doesn't seem that bad to me.
But as I said for Smoke in MKD, why so little clothing? The costume is bland. I could swear she had a jacket in the in-game screenshots. Sonya is a fucking soldier. You can make women beautiful without putting them in a transparent tank top (Catwoman came out alright, minus the goggles). Sareena and Li Mei are understandable, especially since the latter was made under the agenda of a sex appeal character. It's all about story context
Anyone else see air conditioning vents on her kneecaps? Oh well.
It's better than the Kim Basinger MKDA costume. The face reminds me more of her MK4 model, which is good I guess. I don't know. I just don't really feel strongly either way.
Please, no more MK1 characters. Rayden will probably make it in, and hopefully that will be the end of it.
Riyakou Wrote:
I totally agree!
TO THOSE WHO ARE EASILY OFFENDED: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being transgender: it just doesn't work for Sonya.
JustinRex Wrote:
well i would much rather her looking like she's a 50 year old with too much Botox then a Trans gender with a 5 o'clock shadow!!
well i would much rather her looking like she's a 50 year old with too much Botox then a Trans gender with a 5 o'clock shadow!!
I totally agree!
TO THOSE WHO ARE EASILY OFFENDED: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being transgender: it just doesn't work for Sonya.
As an objective fan I can agree that her face should be more feminine and look as beautiful as she does here (what is it with them screwing the renders of many different characters since MKDA?):
And as an objective fan, I can honestly say that "looking like a male" or "transgender" is a real exaggeration.
Im glad to see theres a female who can look like she can destroy the world with an angry glare, but I would had also been happy if they would had mixed that angry glare with a more feminine face.
Sonya is MK’s toughest babe, till this day she easily remains the most decent dressed babe even with her nipples there and thong line which add the cool sex appeal, she still keeps that decent essence which is great, and she looks hot.........but what the hell, just because she is tough doesn’t mean she cant look more beautiful.
Not a supermodel, but a feminine warrior like she was in all her other MK's (not so much MKSM-face).
WarriorPrincess •07/09/2008 08:19 PM (UTC) •
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They should have at least made her head the correct size. Her body is huge and her head looks as if a voodoo witch shrunk it with some magic dust just like in Beetle Juice at the end of the film lol. Please dear lord if Kitana is in this game, they better not mess up her render, or Wonder Womans.
WarriorPrincess Wrote:
They should have at least made her head the correct size. Her body is huge and her head looks as if a voodoo witch shrunk it with some magic dust just like in Beetle Juice at the end of the film lol. Please dear lord if Kitana is in this game, they better not mess up her render, or Wonder Womans.
They should have at least made her head the correct size. Her body is huge and her head looks as if a voodoo witch shrunk it with some magic dust just like in Beetle Juice at the end of the film lol. Please dear lord if Kitana is in this game, they better not mess up her render, or Wonder Womans.
Now Wonder Woman is manly, but it works for her.
The huge muscles and striking jawbone, it works. But Sonya, noooooooooooo.
Riyakou Wrote:
Now Wonder Woman is manly, but it works for her.
The huge muscles and striking jawbone, it works. But Sonya, noooooooooooo.
WarriorPrincess Wrote:
They should have at least made her head the correct size. Her body is huge and her head looks as if a voodoo witch shrunk it with some magic dust just like in Beetle Juice at the end of the film lol. Please dear lord if Kitana is in this game, they better not mess up her render, or Wonder Womans.
They should have at least made her head the correct size. Her body is huge and her head looks as if a voodoo witch shrunk it with some magic dust just like in Beetle Juice at the end of the film lol. Please dear lord if Kitana is in this game, they better not mess up her render, or Wonder Womans.
Now Wonder Woman is manly, but it works for her.
The huge muscles and striking jawbone, it works. But Sonya, noooooooooooo.
I love Sonya with muscles and a very fierce face. She is no doubt the most kick as* babe of MK, but I also agree that the jawbone should had been more feminine.
That and a pony tail would had made all the difference.
*sigh*
mkflegend •07/09/2008 08:34 PM (UTC) •
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WW isn't really manly, she's strong because of her origins but she's just like Sonya. A tough ass girl as oppose to the "Chun-Li" or Mileena type.
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