But I think that the charcters BIOS are canon .Well it may just a way for the MK team to test the fan reception of this to change it in the future using the words MK VS DCU is not canon

Well I already explained how they can't be, so the problem lies with you.

In MK Deception, one backspeller from Netherealm (or maybe Chaosrealm, I don't remember exactly) said that Raiden, Shao Kahn and Lucifer were the same being. Raiden is a god, then, Shao Kahn & Lucifer's too.

The only thing that I don't know, if all are brothers, of are "six families", one for an elder god. Probably, all in the same rank are brothers/sisters. Fujin is a lesser god (compared to Raiden), and because of this is never mentioned a brother. But Raiden, Lucifer, Shao Kahn are protectors of a realm... well, Shao Kahn was, until he poisoned Onaga and removed his god status to Outworld's Emperor, to elude the Elder's God intervention.

And about Rain... I can't put a clearly reply, but this isn't bad at all...

I've still seen no proof that this line actually exists in Deception, just hearsay. AND it directly contradicts the Lucifer origin given in MK Mythologies which states he's just a demon, one of many who fought amongst each other for the throne of Hell until Shinnok came along.
And there are more than six Elder Gods. No one ever said there's one per Kamidogu. You can see at least 7 of them in Captain Marvel's ending, and that's not counting Shinnok either.

http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/mkd-lucifer-backwards.wav

"Shao Kahn, Lucifer, and Raiden are of the same race of beings."

*Hara-Kiri*

Yay! Something else to not want about Raiden. For now, I'll remain in denial about it.

Well god DAMMIT, Vogel. Stop retconning shit all the time!

*sigh* I guess that cinches it, Shao Kahn was once Protector-God of Outworld.

Whether that makes him and Raiden "brothers" canonically, though, is another story. If anything, I would be willing to accept the idea that ALL gods are brothers, in that they were all created by the same "parents", the Elder Gods.

Sort of like how Optimus and Megatron call each other "brother" in the Transformers movie. Transformers don't have parents, they all came from the All-Spark.
Raiden has certainly never treated Kahn like a brother, or vice versa. There's no familiarity between them when they talk to one another or in their bios, they always just address each other by name and treat each other as nothing more than just another enemy, even in MKvsDC. So obviously they didn't "grow up together" or anything like that. It's just a title to them, not a real connection.
Honestly, the Lucifer part makes me madder than the Kahn part does, lol. I just can't condone the idea of attaching importance to that name, because that character was SUPPOSED to be just a demon, one of many, a fleeting mention with an easter egg name, and Shinnok is supposed to be MK's REAL Satan. Shinnok is the one who fell from grace like in the bible.

They're just bios for MK vs. DC which aren't canon though dude lol. Think of it of MK or DC going against SF or Pokemon anything really..lol, just a what if scenario but not at all canon to either respected franchise.

As for the whole Kahn, Lucifer, Raiden being the same race etc. That's no shock and doesn't really mean "they're related" to me that's more of comparing two mods on a site, similar status but not related. They're similar in that the have similar jobs but doesn't mean they're "brothers" per-se. It has been hinted that Shao Kahn was at one point "good" being a traitor in some games, MKC and even the second MK movie besides MK vs. DC. So I take it Kahn USED to be good in some way but betrayed Raiden and the Elder Gods by being seduced by power. Plus, I'd like to know why Fujin isn't in there him and Raiden as said in MK4 are brothers.

It was never said that Raiden and Fujin were brothers.

"I hate brothers"

It was an "official" strategy guide for MK4 that said Fujin was Raiden's brother. The question is how official is "official", really? I wouldn't blame anyone for disregarding that as a non-canon source, but personally, I like the idea, so I'm going to support it.

If Raiden is Kahn's brother, then I say ALL realm-gods are brothers, because that's the only way it makes sense to me, since gods should not be born in families with parents like humans are, they should be willed into existence by the Elder Gods.

Scan, please.

I wish I could, dude. I thought I still had it, but digging only turned up a handful of torn out pages about, unfortunately, Kai of all people. I guess the book's so old and been in my basement for so long that it got thrown out or something.

Surely someone else here had the same guide and can hook us up?
God I wish I still had that book. I remember it had a few cool little factoids in the character's bios like hometowns, allies, and enemies. For instance, Kai's apparently from Detroit, Jarek is Australian like Kano, and Reiko's enemy was listed as Sub-Zero (probably a reference to the fact that the Brotherhood of the Shadow is bitter about how MK Mythologies turned out)
Come to think of it, I'd give anything to have ALL my old MK strategy guides still around to pull from. I had, like, every magazine ever produced about MK2 and 3, and they had all kinds of beautiful art and great interviews with the team...and now the only books I still have that haven't fallen apart or disappeared are the guides for Trilogy and Mythologies.
EDIT: It's not quite a scan, but a google search did turn up a quote. According to Fujin's mortalkombat.wikia.com page, the exact words used in the guide were "He is known only as the God of Wind and has entered Mortal Kombat 4 to help aid his brother, Rayden."
Again, there's no actual proof or guarantee that the information in this book was then or is now canon. It does make a certain amount of sense though, like I said earlier, that all the gods could be considered brothers because they were created by the same source, the Elder Gods.

And there's no clearly reference that Lucifer was only a demon and not a god like Hades...

Oh yeah. I used to have that strategy guide. It even had things about their favorite foods and whatnot. However, the birthplace information for Sub-Zero and Sonya contradicts what it says in other sources. As for Lucifer, didn't someone from the MK team say that Lucifer is a god?

Actually...

I quote the Netherealm chapter of the canon MK Mythologies backstory, important parts underlined for convenience:



If Lucifer wasn't meant to be one of the generic rulers "forged within its fiery pits, who ripped his previous master from the throne", then why is it so specific that Shinnok is the "one" ruler who came from the heavens?

I didn't find this quote before. Thanks a lot

Are you sure that the implication for brothers meant fraternally and not simply being of the same order (like Kung Lao and Liu Kang both monks, and technically, brothers)?
Also, just because Shao Kahn is of the same race as Raiden does not mean that he was a Protector or anything. We know that he was working for Onaga, and as a Protector, you'd think he'd be doing a bit more than serving a king.

He was described as an "advisor" to Onaga, and they flat out said that he was "once like Raiden". You CAN take that to mean that he was just a nice guy, but I take it to mean that he was once the protector and denounced the title to become a conquerer.

I get what you mean, but was this really a good example? As someone already pointed out, Liu Kang and Kung Lao are technically distant cousins (both being descendants of the Great Kung Lao). However, I think some of the early games use the phrase "Shaolin Brothers" or "Shaolin Brethren" and they obviously referred their fellow monks, not Chan or Chow Kang (lol).


Purely speculation, but... It could very well be that the gods see themselves as in a position to merely serve the mortals. They never established the relationship between Argus and Jerrod, but I see it as very much in this same capacity. Of course, since Earth has no official ruler, Raiden may have been forbidden to act in the same manner.

Isn't the issue of whether or not Liu is also a GKL descendant still somewhat muddy?

I know it was mainly established in the film, but I've been trying to find a mention of it in-game or some other canonical source for quite some time now because I'm sure I remember there being at least one around the time of MK3 or 4, but I can no longer find it.

Liu Kang's being a descendant of the Great Kung Lao is canonical, in addition to the MK1 trading cards by Classic, it's in Goro's MK4/MKG bio.

How much does this matter really? I mean I'm insane for continuity as much as the next guy, but so long as Raiden and Kahn never start actually REFERRING to each other as a family, what does it matter? So long as the actual content of the storyline remains the same I don't really care. They can go back and say that Scorpion and Sub-Zero's parents dropped them off at the same day care, but so long as it doesn't change the relationship between the two, it'll be forgotten eventually.

On a side note, what if they took more ideas from Annihilation? Jax gets rid of his cyber arms, Raiden gets a haircut, Sonya become helpless without Jax, and best of all, we replace Shao Kahn's voice with what's his name from the movie..........

Apparently it matters to some of us enough to discuss it for several long pages.

Not that they're always the most reliable source, but doesn't it get a mention in one of the game manuals? Maybe I'm remembering that wrong and it was just a guidebook...