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You-Know-Who
11/29/2008 07:22 AM (UTC)
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scorpionspupil Wrote:
technically Kung Lao depending on the source is a distant cousin of Liu Kangs, as various sources list them both as being The Great KUng Lao's decendant.

And Kitana isn't adopted, she's Sindel and Jerrod's biological child, she's Kahn's step-daughter, Mileena is a botched copy of Kitana created by Shang Tsung.

Then you could go into the hinted relationships, like Rain being the bastard child between Argus and Sindel (Rains ending in MKA revealed he was Taven and Daegon's half brother, and he was already a prince before learning this in MKA's Konquest mode, he's edenian, Queen Sindel, Princess Kitana, worked for Kahn, put 2 and 2 together), so that brings Taven, Daegon, Delia, and Argus into things.

Plus I don't remember if I read this from anything reliable, but wasn't there a hinting of Jade and Tanya being sisters in Deception?

Sindel is such a whore

and Kung Lao is not gay god damnit!

and not to mention all that Shao Kahn/Reiko weirdness grin


Accuracy wasn't my first concern. I was just mucking around. But yes, you are very correct with what you said. Shao Kahn did adopt Kitana. Mileena is her clone, but that is referenced in my thing, actually. There is a lot more you could run with it, of course. The point is, Mortal Kombat is a small fucked up world. tongue

Also, Kung Lao wasn't strictly gay in my scenario, but he was caught in one of those embarrassing situations where masculinity is restricted by the circumstances. If he were gay, he truly wouldn't be embarrassed about his situation in the scenario, I believe.

mythcaller Wrote:
*clap clap* this funny indeed! You should write more spin-off comedies man! Oh I keep getting the impression that Baraka is black?! Did you implied this or is it just me? (I'm not American so please excuse my understandings)

Cheers,


Thank you for the kind words. I was going with a sort of "racial minority" thing with Baraka in the story. Kudos for picking up on it. I'm not American either, by the way. An American Thanksgiving dinner seems like the most insane way to capture the dysfunctional family environment Mortal Kombat can have if perceived from a certain perspective.
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Nic-V
11/29/2008 07:28 AM (UTC)
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Yah well seeing as MKvsDCU was a spin-off title I'll wait to hear about it in a real MK.
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RazorsEdge701
11/29/2008 08:44 AM (UTC)
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I always assumed Rain calls himself a prince because in his mind, gods counts as royalty. I can't see Sindel cheating on Jerrod.
I didn't see any hinting that Jade and Tanya were sisters either. They seem to just be thematic opposites who hate each other. Y'know, like Spider-Man and Venom, Wolverine and Sabretooth, Green Lantern and Sinestro, Neo and Agent Smith, Scorpion and (the original) Sub-Zero, etc.
And there's not actually any "weirdness" with Kahn and Reiko. There used to be, like years ago, but they cleared it up. Reiko is Kahn's general. He wants Kahn's helmet because it's the Outworld crown and he wishes he were king. It's not complicated. The evil second-in-command who wants to usurp the leader is actually a pretty common trope. Come to think of it, almost everyone who serves Shao Kahn wants to kill him and take his place.
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scorpionspupil
11/29/2008 09:11 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I always assumed Rain calls himself a prince because in his mind, gods counts as royalty. I can't see Sindel cheating on Jerrod.

I didn't see any hinting that Jade and Tanya were sisters either. They seem to just be thematic opposites who hate each other. Y'know, like Spider-Man and Venom, Wolverine and Sabretooth, Green Lantern and Sinestro, Neo and Agent Smith, Scorpion and (the original) Sub-Zero, etc.

And there's not actually any "weirdness" with Kahn and Reiko. Reiko is the general of Kahn's armies and wishes Kahn were dead so he could wear the crown and be king. It's not complicated. The evil second-in-command who wants to usurp the leader is actually a pretty common trope. Come to think of it, almost everyone who serves Shao Kahn wants to kill him and take his place.

I was mostly just adding to the confusion for amusement, but hey, atleast it will never even come close to the complications of The Summers family in the X-Men :D

Alot of things like this depend on assumptions going either way, assuming the positive is the same as assuming the negative, nothing will be known for certain unless it's full-on confirmed in game. And even then in today's time of constant retcon's and so on.

Though I am pretty sure about Rain going by the "Prince" moniker since atleast MKT, because of an interview with Boon saying Rain was a pun on the song Purple Rain by Prince, well before Argus would have been even mentioned in MK..

By Kahn/Reiko weirdness, I was harkening back to all the "Reiko is/isn't Shao Kahn" debates surrounding his Reiko's expanded MK4 ending.
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RazorsEdge701
11/29/2008 09:17 AM (UTC)
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Well, yeah, Rain's name and color were always a reference to the Prince song, but there were no actual uses in-game of the word "prince" in his storyline until Armageddon.

His MKT bio actually said he was the son of a general who Kahn slew when he conquered Edenia. (Now that we know the truth about him being Taven's half-brother, I would guess Argus had that general adopt him so no one would know he'd cheated on Delia)
And just before you posted, I had slightly edited my earlier post to acknowledge the MK4 confusion about Reiko.
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ErmacMk5
11/30/2008 07:15 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I always assumed Rain calls himself a prince because in his mind, gods counts as royalty. I can't see Sindel cheating on Jerrod.

I didn't see any hinting that Jade and Tanya were sisters either. They seem to just be thematic opposites who hate each other. Y'know, like Spider-Man and Venom, Wolverine and Sabretooth, Green Lantern and Sinestro, Neo and Agent Smith, Scorpion and (the original) Sub-Zero, etc.

And there's not actually any "weirdness" with Kahn and Reiko. There used to be, like years ago, but they cleared it up. Reiko is Kahn's general. He wants Kahn's helmet because it's the Outworld crown and he wishes he were king. It's not complicated. The evil second-in-command who wants to usurp the leader is actually a pretty common trope. Come to think of it, almost everyone who serves Shao Kahn wants to kill him and take his place.


I always figured this for those 3: subjects.


1. I always figured the General of Edenia (Rain's foster father) was Jerrod's brother, thus making Rain a noble of some sorts (and Kitana's cousin.) I also always figured that the woman Argus knocked up was the General's wife, thus why the General would believe Rain to be his son.

Now if you want to answer a REALLY stumper about Rain; after his foster-father's death, who raised him? I always figured it might've been Quan Chi who smuggled him out of Edenia, and Raised him in a disguise or something. Shinnok would definitely want to keep tabs on the son of Argus.

2. Tanya is a noble who pissed her status away through betrayal. Jade I always saw as a commoner (probably an orphan) who worked her way up to become who she is. Thus her deep disdain for Tanya. It's basically the self-made woman vs. the silver spoon brat.

3. I always figured Reiko is a generic soldier who, like Kahn, Shinnok, and Onaga before him, is tempted by the One Being. Being evil, by definition in MK, means any action that works towards the merging of the realms.

I doubt there's much interesting in Reiko's past. He probably just joined Kahn's army young, worked his way up the ranks, until he couldn't go any higher, and began craving Kahn's status.
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You-Know-Who
11/30/2008 11:24 AM (UTC)
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Some interesting thoughts here on Rain. I guess the whole "cousin to Kitana" thing makes sense. But so does his knowledge about him being a God. It is all probably irrelevant, though, because old Purps is likely to get tossed out, and forever just be a "Purple Rain" gag rotated to slightly serious degrees.

If Rain came back, I'd like to see him wearing some green. When a storm cloud is green, it looks really unholy and threatening. Usually the end result is pretty damaging, too.

As for Jade and Tanya -- I've never thought of them as sisters. They seem as opponents of convenience for the MK Team. Jade loves Edenia, and Tanya is a traitor to her realm. That's pretty much it. Although, if Jade were taken prisoner by Shinnok in MK4 (which would make sense with Jade being nowhere between MK3 and MK6), if she suffered indignities during this time, it could give her more of a personal reason to loathe Tanya. Or if she were away during MK4 and MK5, Jade could feel she has something to prove after being absent when Kitana and Sindel needed her, and she blames Tanya for striking then.

I've always thought of Jade as being someone very close to Shao Kahn or Jerrod's personal circle. If she came back, I'd like to see her story reveal that her family are meant to be the true rulers of Edenia, but they had the land the stolen from them, or their lineage marginalised, and Jade decides that she wants the throne that is rightfully her's back, or something. It could turn out quite interesting.
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RazorsEdge701
11/30/2008 10:52 PM (UTC)
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I can't see Rain being related to Kitana in any way because around the Trilogy era, there were hints (albeit mostly non-canon ones) that he had a romantic past with or interest in her. I always liked that idea, and having them related, even if only by adoption, just makes it creepy, since he didn't even know about his true parentage until Armageddon.

As far as Reiko, I actually think his story and portrayal makes him seem like more than just an ordinary general. Kahn's generals are usually brute force idiots. Reiko is the only one with a calm, calculating demeanor. The fact that he even has a map room at all suggests a penchant for strategy and intelligence you almost never see in an MK villain. Not to mention when he dies, he's such a good general that Shinnok puts him in charge of HIS army too? Compared to everyone else in the MK universe, the man seems like a military genius.
Reiko held the highest rank in the most wartorn realm in the cosmos for thousands of years AND led Hell in a war against Heaven itself. That's a pretty big deal.
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YingYeung
12/01/2008 12:46 AM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote: Also, because she was reborn on Earthrealm spiritually she doesn't even have a belly-button. That naval-piecing is so fake.


Hahaha
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ErmacMk5
12/01/2008 03:09 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I can't see Rain being related to Kitana in any way because around the Trilogy era, there were hints (albeit mostly non-canon ones) that he had a romantic past with or interest in her. I always liked that idea, and having them related, even if only by adoption, just makes it creepy, since he didn't even know about his true parentage until Armageddon.

As far as Reiko, I actually think his story and portrayal makes him seem like more than just an ordinary general. Kahn's generals are usually brute force idiots. Reiko is the only one with a calm, calculating demeanor. The fact that he even has a map room at all suggests a penchant for strategy and intelligence you almost never see in an MK villain. Not to mention when he dies, he's such a good general that Shinnok puts him in charge of HIS army too? Compared to everyone else in the MK universe, the man seems like a military genius.

Reiko held the highest rank in the most wartorn realm in the cosmos for thousands of years AND led Hell in a war against Heaven itself. That's a pretty big deal.


There's nothing to prove Kitana and Rain were ever romantically linked; I always read into it that both were very young when Kahn took over Edenia. This is supported by Rain being "Smuggled out of Edenia as a small child" in his MKT profile. Kitana's MK2 ending, with a picture of a young Kitana in the background, always symbolized to me that Kitana was also very young when Kahn took over.; no older than 8.

People got the idea of romantically linked from the cartoons. Truth be told, most evidence supports Rain being far too young at the time. So I always saw him as a young cousin or friend of the family who Kitana remembers being no older than like 4. Kitana being maybe 8 or so at the time, has the event etched into her brain. Rain being a bit younger probably just forgot about it.

Remember Kitana informs Rain of his heritage (well, what SHE thought was his heritage.) That means Rain didn't remember. Where as Kitana and Jade were often thought to remember but live in silent fear of the emperor, Rain had no recollection. This to me supports that Rain is a tad younger than the other two, and was no more than a small child when he dissapeared.

By a normal general for Reiko, I mean just anothe guy. He's not a God. A demi-god, a demon, a spectre, a cyro-mancer or a sorcerer. He's not the chosen champion of outworld. He's just a highly intelligent and capable military commander, an outworld human if you will. I don't believe he has any familiar links to anyone, or has any significant connection to Kahn outside of being the emperor's general (he's not his son, brother, gay lover, nephew etc.)
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ErmacMk5
12/01/2008 03:13 AM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:
Some interesting thoughts here on Rain. I guess the whole "cousin to Kitana" thing makes sense. But so does his knowledge about him being a God. It is all probably irrelevant, though, because old Purps is likely to get tossed out, and forever just be a "Purple Rain" gag rotated to slightly serious degrees.

If Rain came back, I'd like to see him wearing some green. When a storm cloud is green, it looks really unholy and threatening. Usually the end result is pretty damaging, too.

As for Jade and Tanya -- I've never thought of them as sisters. They seem as opponents of convenience for the MK Team. Jade loves Edenia, and Tanya is a traitor to her realm. That's pretty much it. Although, if Jade were taken prisoner by Shinnok in MK4 (which would make sense with Jade being nowhere between MK3 and MK6), if she suffered indignities during this time, it could give her more of a personal reason to loathe Tanya. Or if she were away during MK4 and MK5, Jade could feel she has something to prove after being absent when Kitana and Sindel needed her, and she blames Tanya for striking then.

I've always thought of Jade as being someone very close to Shao Kahn or Jerrod's personal circle. If she came back, I'd like to see her story reveal that her family are meant to be the true rulers of Edenia, but they had the land the stolen from them, or their lineage marginalised, and Jade decides that she wants the throne that is rightfully her's back, or something. It could turn out quite interesting.



Jade as far as canon states, was fighting off screen in those games. Remember, Tanya also fought for the Deadly Alliance and Shao Kahn, but was nowhere to be found in the first 3 MKs or MKDA.

Meh...I don't like people turning evil. Turning good is fine, but I like Jade how she is. You need supporting characters.
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Deathbearer
12/01/2008 03:15 AM (UTC)
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:
he's not his gay lover


Or is he!??! {DUN DUN DUUUUUN}
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ErmacMk5
12/01/2008 03:15 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
ErmacMk5 Wrote:
he's not his gay lover


Or is he!??! {DUN DUN DUUUUUN}


HAH!
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RazorsEdge701
12/01/2008 05:04 AM (UTC)
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:

There's nothing to prove Kitana and Rain were ever romantically linked; I always read into it that both were very young when Kahn took over Edenia.


I meant within the plot of Trilogy, not in their pasts.

Rain did know he came from Edenia and had been hidden from Kahn when he conquered the place, and he willingly chose to return to Outworld and work for Kahn. He's an evil dick who'd rather be on the most powerful side than fight against injustice.

And then along comes Kitana trying to convince him to join the ragtag rebels...and it works? What?! Why would he switch sides for her unless he was attracted and thought it'd get him on her good side?
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ErmacMk5
12/01/2008 11:03 PM (UTC)
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"Born of Kitana's former world of Edenia, Rain was smuggled away from the realm as a small child shortly after Shao Kahn's take over. "- quote from Rain's MK Trilogy bio.

"He (Rain) learns that his father was once a general in Edenia's army and died at the hands of Shao Kahn himself."- Rain's MK Trilogy ending.

That settles it. Rain was smuggled out as a very small child, young enough to not recollect his foster father. It had nothing to do with sexual attraction to Kitana, or a shared romance. Chances are Rain was barely potty trained.

Romance theory DEBUNKED.
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RazorsEdge701
12/01/2008 11:22 PM (UTC)
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You have to post the WHOLE THING, you tool. Don't just hide the parts that are inconvenient for your argument.

"Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads."

He KNEW he was from Edenia, he KNEW Kahn had conquered his home, and he willingly chose Kahn's side. Who his parents were has nothing to do with that, the point is that he would rather work for Kahn than for Edenia.

And then Kitana comes along and changes his mind.

I ask you why he would switch sides when he had already decided he didn't care about Edenia. Get into the character's head for a moment and tell me "avenge my father who I never knew" makes more sense as a motivation than "this here princess is hot, I wonder if I have a chance with her".
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ErmacMk5
12/01/2008 11:37 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
You have to post the WHOLE THING, you tool. Don't just hide the parts that are inconvenient for your argument.

"Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads."

He KNEW he was from Edenia, he KNEW Kahn had conquered his home, and he willingly chose Kahn's side. Who his parents were has nothing to do with that, the point is that he would rather work for Kahn than for Edenia.

And then Kitana comes along and changes his mind.


I ask you why he would switch sides when he had already decided he didn't care about Edenia. Get into the character's head for a moment and tell me "avenge my father who I never knew" makes more sense as a motivation than "this here princess is hot, I wonder if I have a chance with her".


That's a very skewed far fetched reading based on your personal view on how people interact. There's absolutely nothing in the video games that suggests a sexual or romantic link between Kitana and Rain.

Rain was a small child when Edenia was invaded; chances are Kitana never reached Rain and he never went on his "Suicide mission". Though MK hasn't cleared up if Half-God's can rematerialize so...who knows.
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RazorsEdge701
12/01/2008 11:41 PM (UTC)
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Well I did say from the beginning that the idea of a romance between the two is not exactly canon, I just like the idea of it.

It's not really about what is and isn't spoken of in the bios and endings, this is just about what I personally think Rain's personality and character interactions SHOULD be like. It's an interpretation.
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ErmacMk5
12/02/2008 12:22 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Well I did say from the beginning that the idea of a romance between the two is not exactly canon, I just like the idea of it.

It's not really about what is and isn't spoken of in the bios and endings, this is just about what I personally think Rain's personality and character interactions SHOULD be like. It's an interpretation.


I would totally buy Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Rain.

Granted it'd probably only sell 4 copies.
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mkflegend
12/02/2008 12:24 AM (UTC)
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You guys realize this it NOT canon right? Most likely just a little homage towards the second MKA movie but at the same time, slightly mocking it since the MK team even didn't like that from what I've read.

In this "what if game" they're brothers just like "MKA movie being it's own storyline" we all know Ermac has nothing to do with Noob...lol and Smoke doesn't shoot missles....

No need to worry about this, it's just an "elseworlds" story in video game format and not canon to either universes respected storylines.

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ErmacMk5
12/02/2008 01:44 AM (UTC)
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Actually, in "What ifs" generally background info stays the same. The story deviates at a certain point; that point in this case would be when Superman and Raiden caused a disaster.

That means, that this is indeed canon.
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RazorsEdge701
12/02/2008 01:52 AM (UTC)
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That's not true at all. They made a deliberate effort to pick and choose different, anachronistic versions of characters in this game.

At the start of Story Mode, Kahn's invasion of Earth has just been foiled, which sets this game at the end of MK3, but...

Sub-Zero looks like the MKDA version but acts like the MK2 version, still loyal to the Lin Kuei, implying that they haven't even built the cyberninjas yet.

Edenia isn't free. Kitana is, instead, a freedom fighter in Outworld who leads a band of Edenian women who dress just like her. That never took place in the games, but the closest comparable point is the way she was during, not after, UMK3.

Shang Tsung is young like in MK2 and 3, but lives on his island, which he only did in MK1.

Scorpion is the MK4 version who serves Quan Chi.

And Kano is still a member of the Black Dragon being hunted by Sonya, like he was in MK1. In the actual canon, Kano and the Black Dragon gang had lost touch with each other by MK3, and he became a soldier in Kahn's army, eventually rising to the rank of general when Motaro died.
So no, nothing about this game is truly canon. It's a mix and match, NOT a case of "the story went on as we know it but deviates at a certain point."
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ErmacMk5
12/02/2008 03:10 AM (UTC)
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Until we get a specific quote from Vogel on the subject of Raiden and Shao Kahn being brothers, I consider the relationship canon.
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RazorsEdge701
12/02/2008 03:54 AM (UTC)
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That's...slightly insane.
Like watching Back to the Future 2 and thinking Biff is really Marty's stepdad because he was in the alternate timeline where he owned a casino.
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mkflegend
12/02/2008 09:44 PM (UTC)
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:
Actually, in "What ifs" generally background info stays the same. The story deviates at a certain point; that point in this case would be when Superman and Raiden caused a disaster.

That means, that this is indeed canon.


This game is NOT canon, Razor covered it perfectly though.

I totally agree Razor. BTW, Boon himself even said a few times already this game IS NOT canon with the actual MK storyline, the only thing he said that's remotely canon is that the "timeline" is early MK2/MK3 timeline. But the story is just a "what if scenario"
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