They should never go back to how they had it. Never, ever.

If Midway doesn't get it right in MK8, MK will never be good in my lifetime.....maybe until I am very...very old.

The new SF will suck just like all the old ones did. Boon and friends need not learn anything from Capcom's game.

Amen.

Fail.

LOL WHAT? You want MK to become like SF?

Hell no. Saying that SF sucks, however, is pretty much a moronic statement.

I hate when people talk without having a fucking clue on what they're saying....*takes a deep breath*....MK8 sure will have pretty graphics,i mean pretty in terms of quality,the gameplay is something im not sure if it will be pretty....broken.

Saying that Street Fighter sucks is a moronic statement if you don't enjoy quality video games, yes. Fortunately, I fall outside of the "sheeple" bracket that will line up to piss quarters into the most flacid chain of poorly-rehashed arcade games in the history of the entire industry.

You're right. The fact that the games are still tournament worthy (for some of the entries in the franchise well over a decade after they were released) and the fact you could with confidence say that Street Fighter 3: Third Strike is arguably the pinnacle of 2D fighting games must mean the franchise is garbage.

No, but you could say that the rest of the 2D fighting industry is now garbage.

Other than SSF2T I've never liked Street Fighter.

Me neither. But SF is trechnically a better balanced fighting game. Get over it.

Why would you say that? Every time Midway gets a good idea in their new games they seem to screw them up... while their old games are considered classics. Besides, Street Fighter 3 is the pinnacle of excellence in 2d fighting games. Yeah, MVC2 is fun as hell, but very broken.

Now I don't want anyone to think I want MK8 to be like Street Fighter, but more like an older MK game. A good fighter doesn't need 3d gameplay.

Doesn't need to be 2D though, look at MkSm. No real intense arguments there about the gameplay or how fun it was. I think we actually had a glimpse of what you're asking for, in that game.

I don't want Street Fighter in Mk. Never. So I hope they don't "go back" in that way. Although I think what SF is doing now is interesting.

Now that everyone knows that Street Fighter 4 is coming out, Mortal Kombat 8 HAS to step it up. Unfortunately, they probably wont.

*Looks at title*
Eventually...they should.

I'd play MK1 over any SF game ever released, no question about it.

*Signs form of agreement.*

Ummm, they did that in MK4 like 10 years ago.

I could always see why people liked SF, but I myself was never a fan of the series. To me, it was just boring. But a new 3D Street Fighter does intrigue me a little bit.

But on't forget the fact that the last time Capcom attempted a 3D Street Fighter (SF EX), the game was mediocre at best. I saw the teaser video and while sure, it looked pretty, that means absolutely nothing. Now, if they can marry a next gen quality fighting engine that's on par with the current heavy hitters in the genre with the special moves, speed, and overall quality of the 2D games from the past, then they will have accomplished what MK has been seemingly failing at for years now, and that worries me.

The MK team doesn't need to step up because SF is coming, or Soul Calibur 4, Tekken 6, DOA 5 or whatever for that matter. I don't care if Rare brought Killer Instinct back from the dead and made it into a perfect next gen fighting game (man I wish they would though!) MK doesn't sweat these other franchises. MK can still sell the pants off of these other franchises based on name recognition alone. But I don't care about sales any more than knowing that my favorite game series (MK) will be getting a sequel.

MK needs to step up because for the last 10 years they've been substituting gimmicks for innovation, and passing off broken gameplay and weak fighting systems off on their fans. They need to realize that MK fans don't buy the games so that they can play chess or race karts, they buy them for the fighting, the cool characters, the story and oh yeah, the gore.

Ed Boon is already touting a something new that's so revolutionary that he's been sworn to secrecy. To me, that's not something I'm getting my hopes up about. In addition to a new graphics engine and new systems to develop for, the MK team is also building the story and alot more of the characters than usual from scratch. Now they're adding this "something new" thing and it's another thing to put on the list of things that might take precedence over the actual fighting (if the past is anything to go on).

MK doesn't need to worry about Street Fighter or any other game, and they shouldn't be concerning themselves with creating something revloutionary, they need to create a fun fighting system that works and then build on it. No more dial-a-combos that are completely unintuitive, no more fighting styles that all look, feel and play almost the exact same way for all characters. The innovation needs to come in making a good, fun, well balanced, technically sound fighting game. Everything else will follow after that.

I mean, Virtua Fighter has been building on the EXACT same fighting engine for five games now and it's considered the pinnacle of the genre. MK has to find the balance between it's 2D, special move, jump kicking, one size fits all regular move set past and the reality of the modern technical, unique character, tons of throws, ground game etc 3D fighting world and then build on that and perfect that continuously with each subsequent iteration. Until it can do that, Midway will never "get it right."

Last time I checked you could move all around the arena in MK4. And the combos were trash. Even dodge specials and attacks in 3d.

If you read correctly I said UMK3's gameplay.

Compared to Mk, Street fighter will always look like Looney Toones or some cheap cartoon...i've been playing Mk since 1993 so cut the chat about SF

If Street Fighter 3 is the pinnacle of 2D fighting games then why was there 3 playable versions of it? Admit it that Street Fighter sucked. Yes there are things that probably could have made MKA a better game but if we think that it's that easy to make a "perfect" MK game then why aren't we makin it?

Most games that come out in arcades have multiple versions - and if they make it to consoles the versions usually aren't the same. Why? Because the game company updates the game usually with tweaks to the fighting system to eliminate abuseable moves and combos...sometimes they add new characters. Tekken, Soul Calibur, Virtua Fighter, you name it.

Think Virtua Fighter 4 is the same as Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution? Wrong. Think the various different versions of Tekken 5 are the same? Wrong. These are just a few examples.

MK is for whatever reason an example of a game that doesn't do this....with the exception of the MK3 series of games (which also by the way had quite a few different versions). Why? Because the MK Team aren't commited to fixing their games when they come out. Instead they immediately focus on the next game and they try to fix the problems from the previous one while simultaneously adding new things. The problem is that they don't really refine what they've got and as a consequence the new additions open up a whole new can of worms.

Need proof? Every consecutive game since Deadly Alliance came out has been more broken than the last.

Street Fighter 3: Third Strike added several new characters and refined the combat. SF3:TS is pretty balanced and is a pretty technical fighter - more so than any MK game. That is not an exageration. There's a reason why TS is still being played competitively in tournaments.

I hope this post makes sense to some people because through my years on this site is that most people hold non-sensical bias towards other games because they're not MK. Usually it's because they don't know what makes a fighting game work and are attracted by all of the fluff in the game (extras, mini-games, blood, etc.). It's fine that you prefer the darker feel of MK combined with the blood and gore - but all of those things are superficial. None of those things make MK play better.

The only thing I ask is that people be Mortal Kombat fans, not Mortal Kombat fanboys. Help MK become better.