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hankypanky1
04/25/2014 04:28 AM (UTC)
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Chimera
04/25/2014 04:53 AM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:




That is not a princess in a hoodie. That is a trench coat. Unless you are proposing Kitana wear a trench coat, which does not fit her either.
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hankypanky1
04/25/2014 01:51 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1
04/25/2014 02:01 PM (UTC)
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Chimera Wrote:
I am kinda confused. You want Kitana to wear (as you call it) "classy" but you also use Mileena in her bandages as an example. So, classy bandage wrap costume?

Princess Kitana was raised by Shao Kahn to be an assassin. Because Shao Kahn isn't exactly the ruler that wears jewelry, his assassin daughters didn't wear anything regal either. I do understand your point that Kitana should wear something more conservative and regal however something seen on fashion magazines does not exactly seem regal.

Case in point: have you ever seen a princess wear what you are showing to us?


I said if u can fight with Mileena in bandages then anything is possible i.e. my costume design pictures. Runway/catwalk fashion is of high value, which is what royalty should be. So it does actually go hand-in-hand (runway/catwalk and royalty).
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04/25/2014 03:29 PM (UTC)
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Well ok then. Princess Diana wore a hood thing. But do those hoods allow room for waist length hair?

hankypanky1 Wrote:
Chimera Wrote:
I am kinda confused. You want Kitana to wear (as you call it) "classy" but you also use Mileena in her bandages as an example. So, classy bandage wrap costume?

Princess Kitana was raised by Shao Kahn to be an assassin. Because Shao Kahn isn't exactly the ruler that wears jewelry, his assassin daughters didn't wear anything regal either. I do understand your point that Kitana should wear something more conservative and regal however something seen on fashion magazines does not exactly seem regal.

Case in point: have you ever seen a princess wear what you are showing to us?


I said if u can fight with Mileena in bandages then anything is possible i.e. my costume design pictures. Runway/catwalk fashion is of high value, which is what royalty should be. So it does actually go hand-in-hand (runway/catwalk and royalty).


Although not everything on a runway looks beautiful. Mileena could fight in bandages because the developers were horny at the moment. And the bandages do not restrict movement like a large dress. Only if a dress has like a cut that goes up to the thigh or waist would it really be practical in fights.
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hankypanky1
04/25/2014 03:46 PM (UTC)
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U missed my post where I said I would keep the knickers that girls wear in MK9. I would only change their tops to costume design on my pictures. Also I didn't say everything on the runway (fashion) was beautiful... ...I said it is fashion of high value. Except the bikini shows which I don't see as high value.

I could see the hood working but not if they have long hair going down to their waist. I think different hairstyle for a character should be explored more as it gives them diversity. So shorter hair could work with hood. Also seeing as long hair is difficult to animate, then they can give them short hair and therefore making the hood work out.
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martin_m95
04/25/2014 07:18 PM (UTC)
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http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a611/martin_m95/68424e7b8c_zpsfc9a8f9c.jpg

Heheh, I just couldn't resist not making that.

Anyway.
Dude, This is just a freaking game. It has extreme violence, decapitations, brutal beatings, viscious dismemberments, LOTS of blood and guts and what not everywhere and your concerned about the freaking outfits.
sex sells bro, SEX SELLS, DEAL WITH IT
Honestly now that i think about it, Kitana's primary costume is not striperific, nor trashy. Sindel and Mileena, maybe. Its not her costume that determines how seriously you take her, its her personality.
Kitana is a ruthless assassin that might brutally murder you if you piss her off. If thats not enough for you to take her seriously, you have issues.
I still remember that movie about catwoman I watched some time ago. This is how she looked in it:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zoUsEQ_FNQo/TncCUT7Qh1I/AAAAAAAAAR8/K1r59SmwSFo/s1600/catwoman.jpg
Yet noone ever said it was stripperific, trashy or complained about it.
Rihanna (most famous female singer) also had some of her videos in witch
she was completely naked with only some small objects covering her privates,
yet noone complained about that either.
Just let the girls be and enjoy the game.
Im not trying to sound offensive, but damn.
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04/25/2014 07:33 PM (UTC)
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martin_m95 Wrote:
I still remember that movie about catwoman I watched some time ago. This is how she looked in it:

Yet noone ever said it was stripperific, trashy or complained about it.


Oh they complained
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hankypanky1
04/25/2014 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Martin I have spent the last year going to leading MK forums and also other major games forums when I was making my wishlist (from Halo, to GTA to Fifa to COD etc). The biggest complains in MK9 were regarding the females outfits. Your picture showing Kitana saying 'the other dudes are topless and yet she is the one people have a problem with' is kinda irrelevant. Look at UFC, women are not topless but men are. So again your points are redundant compared to mine.
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04/25/2014 07:47 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
Martin I have spent the last year going to leading MK forums and also other major games forums when I was making my wishlist (from Halo, to GTA to Fifa to COD etc). The biggest complains in MK9 were regarding the females outfits.


And in every sigle one of those threats that complain about MK9 female outfits, almost everyone disagrees with the OP which proves me right.
And UFC is about boxing, of course its gonna have topeless men. But Jax for example is a special operation officer, not a boxer.
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04/25/2014 09:08 PM (UTC)
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martin_m95 Wrote:
hankypanky1 Wrote:
Martin I have spent the last year going to leading MK forums and also other major games forums when I was making my wishlist (from Halo, to GTA to Fifa to COD etc). The biggest complains in MK9 were regarding the females outfits.


And in every sigle one of those threats that complain about MK9 female outfits, almost everyone disagrees with the OP which proves me right.
And UFC is about boxing, of course its gonna have topeless men. But Jax for example is a special operation officer, not a boxer.


One of the thread closes with one guy saying how the OP was right. So this is a big plus that means people agree with the OP.
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U are arguing for stripperific low value clothing while I am arguing for runway (fashion) high value clothing. I am from a country that has Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses then my argument is stronger than yours. U perceive royalty as low value that's why u think it's fine for them to look like strippers. Royalty is more likely to dress high value because the society looks up to them. Society does not look up to strippers. In society strippers are seen as low value but supermodels are seen as high value that's why I think runway (fashion) matches their personality. U are beating a dead horse.

Also this topic is about royalty and clothing, Jax is not royalty so it doesn't make sense to bring him up in this debate.
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04/25/2014 10:12 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
One of the thread closes with one guy saying how the OP was right. So this is a big plus that means people agree with the OP.


Same guy also said he wanted them to fight fully naked.
And no they don't. Look at the earlier pages.

hankypanky1 Wrote:
U are arguing for stripperific low value clothing while I am arguing for runway (fashion) high value clothing. I am from a country that has Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses then my argument is stronger than yours. U perceive royalty as low value that's why u think it's fine for them to look like strippers. Royalty is more likely to dress high value because the society looks up to them. Society does not look up to strippers. In society strippers are seen as low value but supermodels are seen as high value that's why I think runway (fashion) matches their personality. U are beating a dead horse.

Also this topic is about royalty and clothing, Jax is not royalty so it doesn't make sense to bring him up in this debate.


they (exept Mileena) don't look like strippers to me at all. None of the outfits you posted match their personality in any way. And Runaway will make it harder for them to fight.
When your away from battles you can put on as much fashion stuff as you like. But when you go on a battle your gonna want to wear something that wont make it harder for you to win.
im gonna say it again: ITS MORTAL KOMBAT. ITS A FIGHTING GAME. DEAL WITH IT.

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04/25/2014 11:19 PM (UTC)
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martin_m95 Wrote:
hankypanky1 Wrote:
One of the thread closes with one guy saying how the OP was right. So this is a big plus that means people agree with the OP.


Same guy also said he wanted them to fight fully naked.
And no they don't. Look at the earlier pages.

hankypanky1 Wrote:
U are arguing for stripperific low value clothing while I am arguing for runway (fashion) high value clothing. I am from a country that has Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses then my argument is stronger than yours. U perceive royalty as low value that's why u think it's fine for them to look like strippers. Royalty is more likely to dress high value because the society looks up to them. Society does not look up to strippers. In society strippers are seen as low value but supermodels are seen as high value that's why I think runway (fashion) matches their personality. U are beating a dead horse.

Also this topic is about royalty and clothing, Jax is not royalty so it doesn't make sense to bring him up in this debate.


they (exept Mileena) don't look like strippers to me at all. None of the outfits you posted match their personality in any way. And Runaway will make it harder for them to fight.
When your away from battles you can put on as much fashion stuff as you like. But when you go on a battle your gonna want to wear something that wont make it harder for you to win.
im gonna say it again: ITS MORTAL KOMBAT. ITS A FIGHTING GAME. DEAL WITH IT.



I am dealing with it. The female characters are of royal blood, they are not girls off the street that were picked up to go and fight. And u haven't grasped the fact that the outfits in MK9 are of low value, almost everyone admits this, but they believe it's fine because sex sells. People should look up to royalty because they are our country's pride. The females in MK are not like the girl next door. The girl next door could dress anyway she wants because she's not royalty. This is why the females in MK have to look high value.

I'm saying this for the 3rd and final time, the tops of female should change where it doesn't look like a stripper's top and I have many runway (fashion) pictures that also others have said go with female fighters. U are just too ignorant to see that. U also seem to be confused because u brought up Jax and Catwoman into this thread when neither are of royal blood. The only thing that should be changed from my runway (fashion) pictures is leggings, so it could stay as it is in MK9 - which is knickers/panties.
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04/26/2014 06:25 AM (UTC)
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However, no one looks up to Kitana or Sindel. Yes I do agree they should have a more regal appearance. But they are related to Shao Kahn. You know, the guy who rules his land with an iron fist. No one looks up to Kitana for guidance because she was raised to be a ruthless killer, not royal princess. And Outworld does not look like the best place to design clothing because no one there cares how you look, only how you fight.

Only when Edenia is freed from Outworld will it make sense for Kitana to wear more clothing. The slight problem with that is that this is what Edenian's normally wear. Kitana's MKvsDCU ending. They could change that later though.

And Kitana is the one with waist-length hair for almost all her 3D appearances so I doubt they will change that. It's like a standard appearance for her along with wearing blue.
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04/26/2014 06:35 AM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I'm saying this for the 3rd and final time, the tops of female should change where it doesn't look like a stripper's top and I have many runway (fashion) pictures that also others have said go with female fighters. U are just too ignorant to see that. U also seem to be confused because u brought up Jax and Catwoman into this thread when neither are of royal blood. The only thing that should be changed from my runway (fashion) pictures is leggings, so it could stay as it is in MK9 - which is knickers/panties.


I honestly find some of these runaway tops to be even more revealing than the outfits the girls currently wear. And Kitana's/Jade's tops don't look stripperific at all. The rest - they just couldn't work without their bottoms. And the way i see it most of the people disagree with your fashion ideas. Just look at your own thread.
Royal blood doesn't really matter when your fighting to the death now, does it. And since most of mortal kombat is fighting I just can't see fashion working.
They can put it in the arcade endings and some non kombat cutscenes, but no more than that (and not many people care about these anyway).
your obviously not dealing with it since your trying to change them.
And i completely agree with Chimera there. He made some awesome points
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04/26/2014 12:13 PM (UTC)
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Chimera Wrote:
However, no one looks up to Kitana or Sindel. Yes I do agree they should have a more regal appearance. But they are related to Shao Kahn. You know, the guy who rules his land with an iron fist. No one looks up to Kitana for guidance because she was raised to be a ruthless killer, not royal princess. And Outworld does not look like the best place to design clothing because no one there cares how you look, only how you fight.

Only when Edenia is freed from Outworld will it make sense for Kitana to wear more clothing. The slight problem with that is that this is what Edenian's normally wear. Kitana's MKvsDCU ending. They could change that later though.

And Kitana is the one with waist-length hair for almost all her 3D appearances so I doubt they will change that. It's like a standard appearance for her along with wearing blue.


Jade looks up to Kitana and Kitana looks up to her mother Sindel. They do not have blood relations to Shao Kahn. Mileena does care how she looks that's why she wore this outfit during a scene



There isn't a problem that this is what Edenians normally wear. DC characters got a New 52 design. The same can be done to MK characters. Kitana previously had a long pony-tail, they can easily make pony-tail shorter if they gave her a hood. They can also keep long-hair she has... ...Multiple hairstyles could be explored.

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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I'm saying this for the 3rd and final time, the tops of female should change where it doesn't look like a stripper's top and I have many runway (fashion) pictures that also others have said go with female fighters. U are just too ignorant to see that. U also seem to be confused because u brought up Jax and Catwoman into this thread when neither are of royal blood. The only thing that should be changed from my runway (fashion) pictures is leggings, so it could stay as it is in MK9 - which is knickers/panties.


I honestly find some of these runaway tops to be even more revealing than the outfits the girls currently wear. And Kitana's/Jade's tops don't look stripperific at all. The rest - they just couldn't work without their bottoms. And the way i see it most of the people disagree with your fashion ideas. Just look at your own thread.
Royal blood doesn't really matter when your fighting to the death now, does it. And since most of mortal kombat is fighting I just can't see fashion working.
They can put it in the arcade endings and some non kombat cutscenes, but no more than that (and not many people care about these anyway).
your obviously not dealing with it since your trying to change them.
And i completely agree with Chimera there. He made some awesome points


My runway (fashion) pictures are no way near as revealing as costumes in MK9. On my pictures tits are pretty much all covered up. Whereas in MK9:













Here's a picture of a stripper where it looks like Jade's costume.



Of course my runway (fashion) pictures could work without the bottoms as my runway (fashion) pictures are currently. U just don't have the imagination to see that. They can easily change the dress into knickers/panties. It's called redesigning, and DC characters got New 52 design, same can be done for MK characters.

I made my thread a year ago and it has been through many changes, the people that disagreed at first didn't see all the runway (fashion) pictures because those kept on being changed. When I say I want runway (fashion) I don't mean I want trendy fashion where it differs from seasons: Winter/Autumn/Spring/Summer. I'm on about timeless fashion. Here are more posts that at least partially agree with me:
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I think using ideas from high fashion for Kitana, Sindel, Jade, Tanya, Mileena is a good idea, just keep it practical. I like each character with two costumes, one more fight oriented and one more, street clothes-ish, for lack of a better term. The Edenian females should have one fighting costume and one regal costume. But they're costumes should not be ridiculous. Some of Hanky's fashion pictures were good, some were ridiculous. I also like the high heels for these characters. Edenia is supposed to be a paradise, so their clothes should reflect that also, so I'm not opposed to revealing outfits.

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To be honest all I really want from the next MK is Kitana in a hood. It would work with the whole Mileena has a veil thing.

Keith Wrote:
As long as the female character designs are approached with a 'how can I make this fighter look awesome' mentality rather than a 'what's the least amount of clothing I can get away with' mentality, I'll be happy enough with whatever they do.



Skaven13 Wrote:
I honestly laughed through most of the story mode partly because of how the females were totally oversexualized, yet the male characters were to take them and their roles totally seriously.

Riiiiiight. grin

The team needs to tone it down. A lot. The MKDA & MKD designs were a step in the right direction. Kitana at least looked like she was dressed for battle, not a bikini show. I really hate how they sacrificed character and role on the altar of eyecandy.

"I am Kitana. I am princess of Outworld. You will learn respect! Check out my thong".


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Based on what they did to their characters, I feel that they went directly to shock value and cared more about that than giving a damn about what their characters actually look like... Well more for the female characters at least.


But it doesn't work anymore. People aren't really shocked with video games anymore. I really hope that is not what their aim was, because that ship sailed a long time ago (me, personally, I'm more shocked with things I see and hear about in real life instead of video games). But I think you are right. They went for the shock factor, with how overly gory the fatalities were this time around, and the ridiculous outfits. But it just doesn't work. Very few people will be surprised at the fatalities, some fans will be ticked at the terrible handling of their characters and mythos, and the rest will simply not care. I kind of thought they figured this out with MK5. It appeared to me that they realized the shock factor was gone, so they focused on the mythos, the characters, the story, the design, and you could tell. The fatalities even weren't the goriest, but they were certainly flashy, with a heavy eastern/martial arts feel to most of them (moreso in MKD, imo).

As far as shock goes, I am pretty sure Lara Croft's new makeover caused more shock and conversation among the fans of the series than these ladies did. There's some irony right there.
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04/26/2014 12:54 PM (UTC)
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pfffff no offense, but you are really dumb, If you believe that that stripper's costume looks like Jades.
The costumes mk9 girls wear don't look trashy or stripperific at all. And lots of people disagree with your ideas. You're just ignoring them and paying atention only to the very, very little that agree.
Like i said the girls can put fashion stuff in arcade endings and non-kombat cutscenes, but they should remain the way they are during fights.
If your that upset about their clothes you can always change to the classic ones. PROBLEM SOLVED. And I'm sure NRS will add more classic costumes to the next game too.
after all this is a fighting game. Quit complaining and enjoy it the way it is.
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04/26/2014 01:03 PM (UTC)
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Yes Kitana is not related to Shao Kahn by blood. But she did not know that. Which was why she does not wear anything to cover up. And Jade did not look up to Kitana. They're best friends. Sindel was dead so Kitana never really saw her (until she massacred everyone). But as long as Edenia is freed from Outworld, that is when Kitana should probably wear more. And the New 52 thing already happened in Mortal Kombat. That would be the latest game. But the outfits are constantly changing per game so maybe they'll get that hood you want.

That is Mileena's princess outfit. Kitana owns a similar one to match.

I do agree it needs more.

Also, aren't these outfits (which came from your wish list) a bit revealing of the breast?





PS: I asked a question on your wish list.
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hankypanky1
04/26/2014 03:56 PM (UTC)
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martin_m95 Wrote:
pfffff no offense, but you are really dumb, If you believe that that stripper's costume looks like Jades.
The costumes mk9 girls wear don't look trashy or stripperific at all. And lots of people disagree with your ideas. You're just ignoring them and paying atention only to the very, very little that agree.
Like i said the girls can put fashion stuff in arcade endings and non-kombat cutscenes, but they should remain the way they are during fights.
If your that upset about their clothes you can always change to the classic ones. PROBLEM SOLVED. And I'm sure NRS will add more classic costumes to the next game too.
after all this is a fighting game. Quit complaining and enjoy it the way it is.


Now you're acting like a dumbass. The stripper's costume style is similar to the one Jade's wearing, it's got the V and then 3 fishnet crosslines. Lots of people disagree with my ideas because I made that thread last year and it has been through a lot of changes and they didn't come back to give their latest opinion.

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Yes Kitana is not related to Shao Kahn by blood. But she did not know that. Which was why she does not wear anything to cover up. And Jade did not look up to Kitana. They're best friends. Sindel was dead so Kitana never really saw her (until she massacred everyone). But as long as Edenia is freed from Outworld, that is when Kitana should probably wear more. And the New 52 thing already happened in Mortal Kombat. That would be the latest game. But the outfits are constantly changing per game so maybe they'll get that hood you want.

That is Mileena's princess outfit. Kitana owns a similar one to match.

I do agree it needs more.

Also, aren't these outfits (which came from your wish list) a bit revealing of the breast?





PS: I asked a question on your wish list.


Are u blind as well? All my runway (fashion) pictures have the whole top covered except for slightly showing of tits. But no way near revealing as MK9 outfits. Martin believes that royal women should dress like the girl next door.
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04/26/2014 05:23 PM (UTC)
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I think the Edenian females (Sindel, Kitana, and Jade, I guess Tanya too) should have regal costumes, also very aesthetic, they should be light and flowy and somewhat revealing to reflect the hedonistic atmosphere of Edenia. They should also have their "fighting costume" in which Kitana and Jade should have their masks on and these costumes should be tighter and a little less revealing. Of course this would be in the case of Edenia being a freed realm and Sindel is queen again. If they're all still dead, formerly on Shao Kahn's side then they should be dressed accordingly.

Mileena should have the same outworldy costume, but they need to give her something new also. Her 2011 costumes were pretty much the same as her costumes in Deception.

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04/26/2014 08:05 PM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:

I think the Edenian females (Sindel, Kitana, and Jade, I guess Tanya too) should have regal costumes, also very aesthetic, they should be light and flowy and somewhat revealing to reflect the hedonistic atmosphere of Edenia. They should also have their "fighting costume" in which Kitana and Jade should have their masks on and these costumes should be tighter and a little less revealing. Of course this would be in the case of Edenia being a freed realm and Sindel is queen again. If they're all still dead, formerly on Shao Kahn's side then they should be dressed accordingly.

Mileena should have the same outworldy costume, but they need to give her something new also. Her 2011 costumes were pretty much the same as her costumes in Deception.



Yeah I understand where u are coming from. I also understand where Martin is coming from. But I think less clothing only works for certain things. For me personally I like to see real people wear less clothing, and I see that when I go to clubs. That is a sexually charged environment and so it makes it OK whatever girls choose to wear. However this is a fighting game so although my runway (fashion) pictures of the dresses wouldn't be form-fitting for fighting, changing the bottom of the design to panties/knickers would work with females' top more covered up, that way their outfits still naughty but nice. Also it's less likely the wounds/cuts will be seen on flesh if their top is more covered up. Women can look their best whilst also being magnificent female warriors.
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hankypanky1
05/03/2014 04:55 PM (UTC)
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This is how America's Next Top Model does it Warrior Style. See high-fashion can work for MK females.











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Tazer_Gunshot
05/03/2014 08:02 PM (UTC)
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That's even if Kitana, Mileena and Jade are even in MK 10.
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hankypanky1
05/03/2014 10:55 PM (UTC)
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Tazer_Gunshot Wrote:
That's even if Kitana, Mileena and Jade are even in MK 10.


U make a very good point. Kitana, Mileena and Jade don't need to be in MK2, that makes it easier for them to change the female costumes from what they currently are. The MK females actually dress like Hip Hop Video Models lol.





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05/12/2014 06:27 PM (UTC)
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Would a hood suit Skarlet, I'm thinking Red Riding Hood.
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