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queve
12/04/2005 04:52 AM (UTC)
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nobrainer Wrote:
I still really don't like it. Nice idea... But... NO.


LOL, I understand. wink
Yeah the story is fine the way it is. Besides it'd be too confusin since all evidence points to Kitana being real and Mileena being the clone.
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MannyFresh
12/06/2005 07:32 AM (UTC)
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Hahaha, I can just picture Sindel banging a Tarkata behind Jerrods back... *shutter*
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Garlador
12/10/2005 06:38 PM (UTC)
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I actually think that's an interesting idea. Why did Mileena have to be deformed in the first place? There had to be a reason, and don't blame shoddy magic-work. Being ugly, Mileena would always have an inferiority complex with her "twin", Kitana, and would always assume she was the inferior one (much like Liquid Snake to Solid Snake), when, in actuality, she could be the superior one, the true successor, but since she would never know it, she'd grow hateful and malicious towards her "twin" and all that she stood for, becoming the perfect vessel to be manipulated by Shao Kahn for power because she sees him as her "real" father still. Of course, MK: Shaolin Monks kinda screwed that whole theory over, but who really believes MK:SM is canon?
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nobrainer
12/10/2005 07:28 PM (UTC)
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The disfigurement was done intentionally by Shang Tsung. (part Tarkatan involved) The reason is not entirely clear, but we can be sure that it was done on purpose for whatever reason.
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XiahouDun84
12/10/2005 09:38 PM (UTC)
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nobrainer Wrote:
The disfigurement was done intentionally by Shang Tsung. (part Tarkatan involved) The reason is not entirely clear, but we can be sure that it was done on purpose for whatever reason.


I don't believe the disfigurement was intentional. According to her Deception bio, Mileena was created to be Kitana's replacement.
So why replace Kitana, who would still be loyal to Shao Kahn at the time, with a deliberately ugly clone?
I believe the Tarkatan essence was used to guarantee Mileena would be more vicious and evil....not to make her ugly.

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12/11/2005 06:00 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
nobrainer Wrote:
The disfigurement was done intentionally by Shang Tsung. (part Tarkatan involved) The reason is not entirely clear, but we can be sure that it was done on purpose for whatever reason.


I don't believe the disfigurement was intentional. According to her Deception bio, Mileena was created to be Kitana's replacement.
So why replace Kitana, who would still be loyal to Shao Kahn at the time, with a deliberately ugly clone?
I believe the Tarkatan essence was used to guarantee Mileena would be more vicious and evil....not to make her ugly.



Ok. You're right, but by intentionally giving her the temperment and visciousness of a Tarkatan, the side effect of disfigurement came about.

...What I won't believe is that he made a silly mistake in the cloning process.
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ironsmoke
12/12/2005 06:43 AM (UTC)
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i'd like that..it might spice up baraka's story as well.


all along, he's been dating a princess, what do you think that does to your mental state?
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queve
12/13/2005 03:00 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
I actually think that's an interesting idea. Why did Mileena have to be deformed in the first place? There had to be a reason, and don't blame shoddy magic-work. Being ugly, Mileena would always have an inferiority complex with her "twin", Kitana, and would always assume she was the inferior one (much like Liquid Snake to Solid Snake), when, in actuality, she could be the superior one, the true successor, but since she would never know it, she'd grow hateful and malicious towards her "twin" and all that she stood for, becoming the perfect vessel to be manipulated by Shao Kahn for power because she sees him as her "real" father still. Of course, MK: Shaolin Monks kinda screwed that whole theory over, but who really believes MK:SM is canon?


Agreed. I couldnt have said it better. The idea is very deep and interesting IMO, the only problem is that it would change a lot of both characters, but still, thats something they need.
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12/13/2005 05:45 PM (UTC)
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I also don't think the idea would fly very well, but it is interesting none the less. It would add a certain pyschological depth that the game's storyline is missing, but I don't think that this exact idea is the best way to go about it.
Retconning anything is a very delicate subject, and is only generally accepted well by fans under two conditions:

A: it simply adds to the history, as opposed to changing it. Shujinko's konquest mode is a good example. No one minded the extra insight into the history.

B: When it ties up loose ends in a simple way. The best example is Noob Siabot and the first Sub-zero.

Your idea breaks both general principals. It changes the history (from what we have already accepted), and instead of making something smooth and connecting, it instead jumbles everything up into a mess. While the idea is very well thought out, and possible, as well as intriging, it just makes such a mess and takes the persona's of those characters that we have already grown to love and says that it was all wrong. If this revelation occured sooner, like maybe they were introduced in 2, and then this came out in 3, that would have been different.

If you want to add dynamics to an established character, I think that you should instead focus on a new event causing a change, and seeing how the character reacts to it. For example, look at how people are treating the new, crueler Raiden. They like the change, because it is explained, and it doesn't change anything that we already knew.
That is just how I see it though. Again, great idea, but I doubt it would go over well.
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queve
12/18/2005 02:15 PM (UTC)
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Iamnick Wrote:
I also don't think the idea would fly very well, but it is interesting none the less. It would add a certain pyschological depth that the game's storyline is missing, but I don't think that this exact idea is the best way to go about it.
Retconning anything is a very delicate subject, and is only generally accepted well by fans under two conditions:

A: it simply adds to the history, as opposed to changing it. Shujinko's konquest mode is a good example. No one minded the extra insight into the history.

B: When it ties up loose ends in a simple way. The best example is Noob Siabot and the first Sub-zero.

Your idea breaks both general principals. It changes the history (from what we have already accepted), and instead of making something smooth and connecting, it instead jumbles everything up into a mess. While the idea is very well thought out, and possible, as well as intriging, it just makes such a mess and takes the persona's of those characters that we have already grown to love and says that it was all wrong. If this revelation occured sooner, like maybe they were introduced in 2, and then this came out in 3, that would have been different.

If you want to add dynamics to an established character, I think that you should instead focus on a new event causing a change, and seeing how the character reacts to it. For example, look at how people are treating the new, crueler Raiden. They like the change, because it is explained, and it doesn't change anything that we already knew.
That is just how I see it though. Again, great idea, but I doubt it would go over well.


That was very nicely put. I enjoyed reading your post, and I agree with your points, like I said, it changes a lot. Well, sometimes risks are good, maybe this is a good risk, maybe its a bad risk. No one will ever know till its done.
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Wisdom324
12/19/2005 02:38 AM (UTC)
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Although it is a very interesting idea, I would have to agree with those who say no way!!! The whole basis of Mileena's story is stemmed off the fact that she was the clone of Kitana. To have it the other way around is just plain weird and it also sparks too many questions to answers that we as MK fans already know.

I mean why change it now when the stories of Mileena and Kitana have already been established and embellished??? We all know that Mileena's hatred was stemmed off the fact that she hates Kitana. To make Kitana as the clone of Mileena just makes it into a MK version of Jerry Springer.

I'm not dissing your theory, maybe it will make an interesting storyline, but I'm very happy with the stories that have developed for these two characters and would like to see what's next.
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queve
12/29/2005 03:27 PM (UTC)
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I completely understand. The first thing I thought when writing this was that it simply changes a lot...maybe even too much.

Still, I think it would be an excellent twist. Maybe if all was a complot, a sick plan to change history in order to make Mileena the Princess and Kitana the clone, but in reality, nothing of the sort ever happened.

Like, we would be tricked into believing this new story, but in the end (after another game I guess, or in the very same game too) we learn that it was a well elaborated lie in order to get Mileena into power and confuse the other characters.
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Weskerian
12/29/2005 04:05 PM (UTC)
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If they set that up properly then I think it could really work. I mean, as a feint, that is. Like, if they announced all this stuff about Mileena being the real child of Sindel and Jerrod, and Kitana being the perfect clone made by Kahn to rule the realm instead of her. Mileena's been hanging around with Baraka so much, and been told so many times that she's evil and her sister's doppelganger that she's convinced herself of it, and so jumps at the chance to believe, and announce to everyone, that she is the real Princess of Edenia. Kitana might start to doubt herself too, she might even go back to Shao Kahn if that doubt sinks in deep enough.

And then boom, its all revealed as a lie, but just because its falsehood, does that mean that Mileena can't rule Edenia anymore, despite the fact that she has been being so benevolent? And does it mean that Kitana can no longer serve Shao Kahn, despite having served him for a game and, for example, killed Jade, perhaps?

That angle does have a lot of potential as a fake out, it would likely be even better if it was revealed as a fake out in one character's ending (like Shang Tsung's perhaps, he returns from the Netherealm, makes this announcement about Mileena being the real Kitana, and then in his ending it shows him smirking standing next to Shao Kahn, with Kitana standing on the other side, because he knows that he was lying and just wanted people to suffer, the bastard, or maybe he plans on revealing the truth to Mileena and then blackmailing her to do something for him with her power over Edenia). Still, it might be too complex, since I wonder if people would be willing to accept it.

You have to remember that not all MK fans are as thoughtful and twisted as others, and like nice, linear plots that are easy to understand. They like villains who are villainous and heroes who are bad asses. Personally, I love convoluted and ridiculously difficult twists, but I know not everyone does.
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Coltess
12/29/2005 09:28 PM (UTC)
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hmmmm how interesting but sick thinking of old sindel and deformed baraka eww ewwwwww sickconfusedconfused
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queve
01/01/2006 12:59 AM (UTC)
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Weskerian Wrote:
If they set that up properly then I think it could really work. I mean, as a feint, that is. Like, if they announced all this stuff about Mileena being the real child of Sindel and Jerrod, and Kitana being the perfect clone made by Kahn to rule the realm instead of her. Mileena's been hanging around with Baraka so much, and been told so many times that she's evil and her sister's doppelganger that she's convinced herself of it, and so jumps at the chance to believe, and announce to everyone, that she is the real Princess of Edenia. Kitana might start to doubt herself too, she might even go back to Shao Kahn if that doubt sinks in deep enough.

And then boom, its all revealed as a lie, but just because its falsehood, does that mean that Mileena can't rule Edenia anymore, despite the fact that she has been being so benevolent? And does it mean that Kitana can no longer serve Shao Kahn, despite having served him for a game and, for example, killed Jade, perhaps?

That angle does have a lot of potential as a fake out, it would likely be even better if it was revealed as a fake out in one character's ending (like Shang Tsung's perhaps, he returns from the Netherealm, makes this announcement about Mileena being the real Kitana, and then in his ending it shows him smirking standing next to Shao Kahn, with Kitana standing on the other side, because he knows that he was lying and just wanted people to suffer, the bastard, or maybe he plans on revealing the truth to Mileena and then blackmailing her to do something for him with her power over Edenia). Still, it might be too complex, since I wonder if people would be willing to accept it.

You have to remember that not all MK fans are as thoughtful and twisted as others, and like nice, linear plots that are easy to understand. They like villains who are villainous and heroes who are bad asses. Personally, I love convoluted and ridiculously difficult twists, but I know not everyone does.


I hate to admit it but I think that’s the problem. But the team also knows this…and they actually listen to that instead of listening to other more important things. Im just like you, I love well detailed and twisted storylines, deep and well planned, some with unexpected complots and others that create new possibilities, not just: “This happens, and it ends like thisâ€?.

Your post is great btw, I like your thoughts, and like I said, the possibility of all being a "lie", a complot, would be amazing.
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